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Heard it today (was very busy and hardly did any listening then sat I had to do a few things so yr cassette got left on the pile) and I can see what's good about it. I do like the rawness in her voice but my ears are completely untrained here (so I'm kind of guessing abt the raw bit but it sounds it). The music backup is simplistic to allow her to continuosly sing/vocalise and i think in that respect she does have something in common with diamanda galas in her 'plague mass (live)' CD.

I really enjoyed it and now i'm off in another direction. I hope to get hold of more recordings in the coming months (yr list above will be a guide) though I will prob spend more time with this cassete for now (I just want to spend sometime at home just listening to records).

Thanks for the cassete. that was very very kind of you.

I'm gonna burn a cecil taylor disc for you. How abt 'Silent tongues' (a solo set from 1974)? If you got it already let me know because I've got more.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 1 September 2002 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Julio, I've got no CT, so anything be him is fine. Glad you seem to have liked the cassette. I think I know what you mean by "rawness" but somehow I don't think that's a word that an Arab listener would use to describe her voice. At any rate, there's definitely a lot of control there, which you can hear particularly the way she ends a given line she is singing.

DeRayMi, Sunday, 1 September 2002 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Wow, I'm impressed. You guys are really dedicated to Arabic music, huh? Do you even speak Arabic? I'm a huge fan of Oum Kolthoum. I'm actually trying to collect all her songs as mp3's and CD's. So far, I've been doing ok. I've been collecting other artists too, like Mohammed Abdel Wahab, Farid el-Atrache (Asmahan's brother), Abdel Halim Hafiz and others. If you guys need any recommendations or question, feel free to ask. Good luck.

Shady Amin, Thursday, 26 December 2002 08:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I just bought Nouar by Cheikha Remitti

My two cents

Jan Geerinck, Thursday, 26 December 2002 08:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Shady, unfortunately, I don't speak Arabic music. (I started this thread, actually, even if the original name looked a little different.) I know that a lot of Arabs (I'm assuming you are, based on the name you're using, but of course it could be a screen name) find it strange that people who don't speak the language would enjoy this music, since everything tends to be built around creating a setting for the lyrics, but there's still a lot of enjoyment to be gotten out of it without knowing the words.

Actually, I'd be interested in recommendations on the best Abdel Wahab recordings. I hadn't heard much performed by him that I liked, but this past summer I picked up the CD with "Toul Oumri" "Igry Igry" etc. and found that I enjoyed it.

This board (as you can see) isn't particularly focused on Arabic music, but we can still discuss it.

I think I need to get a high-speed connection before I get back into collectng MP3s.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 26 December 2002 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Nabisco, do you work at the U of C press?

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I purchased several Khaltoum CDs at a local Palestinian grocery. There is no information (in English) on the CD as regards recording dates, but from the sound quality I'm guessing 1950s. I enjoy it very much but haven't yet had the time for focused listening. I've long been enamored of Fairuz, even the Euro-kitsch arrangements that so often accompany her voice. Every now and then I ask the family who work at the grocery what the meanings of the songs are.

I have a question. What looks to be a fairly respectable series of Khaltoum CDs called "Diva of Arabic Music" turns up on the Web a lot (although I've never seen them in local shops). Do you know anything about these--do they contain music from throughout her career, etc? Also, have you heard any of her work from the 1920s'? The All Music Guide lists two compilations on the label Artistes Arabes. Do you know if and where these might be available?

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(Amateurist: yes.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Amateurist, the Diva series is all early recordings (pre-30s, from what I recall). It's not remotely a career overview. The "Artistes Arabes" series (of which there are more than two) covers more or less the same material. I have one of those CDs. In my opinion, the sound qality on the Diva series is much better. These are remastered recordings from EMI Arabia. I have the complete Diva series, but I honestly don't care for the material from this early in her career, with rare exceptions. Plenty of informed listeners consider this to be great work, however. I prefer her work from the late 30's through maybe the 50's and maybe the early 60's.

What city do you live in, incidentally?

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

(Rockit Scientist: Chicago.)

(Nabisco: I may have met you. But -- how do we break the veil of anonymity without revealing our identities to all and sundry?)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Give the secret hand signal.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

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Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh dear. However it was that I may have met you, I apologize: I swear I am usually more interesting / better smelling / less obnoxious / better looking / etc.

I dunno, was it at a Microphones show? I'm not super-keen on the veil of anonymity thing, my name's Nitsuh.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh dear, that ASCII graphic looks all mangled, like something from a David Cronenberg movie. Sorry.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I will wait patiently for the Oum Kalthoum ASCII image.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh here's how we do it: you can email me at my username at hot(mail).

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I wanted to add that I don't think the EMI Diva series includes everything that is included on the Club du Disques Arabe (sp?) series.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 26 December 2002 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Were here records from the 1920s packaged as albums of 78s? I ask because I believe a 78 fits four minutes of music and of course most of Kalthoum's more recent recordings are far longer than that. Really I should be asking Pat Conte this question.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know for sure off hand, but I think the early recordings were 78s. In fact, I think the liner notes include pictures of these old 78s.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 26 December 2002 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

If she put out records in the '20s, they would have to have been 78s unless there was a strong market for cylinders in the Arab world. I was wondering if she recorded shorter songs or if a given song or two were spread out across an album of 78s as much classical music was presented in those days. (This is an interesting question because in the US albums were largely marketed to middle-class consumers while declasse genres like blues and gospel were released on individual 78s. I don't know if a similar practice would have been in effect in Egypt say, which I'm guessing was within the reach of HMV/EMI in those days.)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

When I am home I can check the track lengths, which would at least partially answer the question. (The answer is probably in the Danielson book, too, but I haven't retained it all.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 26 December 2002 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Are all those variations on Om's name actually on the books, or are some of them your inventions?

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe they are all "on the books" so to speak. I think I got that list from a web-site somewhere. I have seen a lot of them. (I may have thrown in one of my own inventions, I don't remember.)

A good web-site for online distribution of Arabic music is www.maqam.com. A little more thorough than amazon.com.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 26 December 2002 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Holy moly.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

She's approaching Lata Mangeshkar status there.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that might be the way to go, but I already have about half of them separately, so I'm not going to do it. It's not everything she recorded anyway, just "the most popular." There have to be other good things not currently in print.

(I think Lata Mangeshkar is still numerically ahead.)

rs, Thursday, 26 December 2002 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Did Om record for films as well? I remember seeing a short at a Palestinian film festival where a family sits around the television watching Om in some older (40s? 50s?) movie.

I should just get the book, shouldn't I.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 26 December 2002 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Just a note to say a young man told me today that in Syria, the radio stations reserve an hour every morning for Fairuz, and an hour every evening for Oum Kalthoum. Also, I bought an Adbel Halim Hafez CD. Anyone familiar with him?

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Amateurist, yes, I'm fairly familiar with Abdel Halim Hafez. (Isn't he mentioned soemwhere on this thread previously? Maybe not.) I mostly know what I think are probably his later recordings, long, sprawling, prog-like, works, many of them by Baligh Hamdi and Abdel Wahab. What did you buy? I am not a huge fan of his singing, but some of the instrumental introductions are crazy. I think my favorite is "Resalat Min Teht el May," which has some very nice violin playing by Ahmed al-Hifnawi (who was also Oum Kalthoum's main violinist). Abdel Halim's voice is overdubbed near the end of the recording, but pretty effectively. I also like "Fatet Ganbena," although the first time I heard it I thought it was just horrendous. It is a bit corny in a way, but then as you listen to it, well, as I listened to it, I heard a lot that I liked. Lots of clever transitions from passage to passage. Brilliant flashes of electric organ playing. "Qariat el Fengan" is worth hearing for the very bizarre instrumentation (which includes steel guitar and a synthesizer playing very "modern" avant-garde sound squiggles, but both of these are only there briefly). "Hawal Teftakerni" has a great intro., with a crazy audience, in the live recording. "Mawood" is also not bad. "Gana el Hawa" is a nice song (and shorter than the ones mentioned above), though the chorus on the original (Abdel Halim) version bothers me a little.

Not particularly recommended: Habibati Man Takoun, Ya Malik an [Malikan?] Kalbi, Maddah el Amar.

A lot of people can't stand him and consider him a creation of Mohammed Abdel Wahab meant to compete with Farid el Atrache when Abdel Wahab could no longer sing; but Oum Kalthoum said good things about Abdel Halim Hafez, so it's hard to believe he wasn't a good singer. However, I personally don't think he's on the same level as Oum Kalthoum, Asmahan, Abdel Wahab, Farid, and Fairouz.

I think Oum Kalthoum acted and sang in about five films. (Yes, get the book: it's pretty good.) She was generally not considered as effective as a film star as she was as a live concert performer. Asmahan was much more comfortable as an actor, and she also had the glamorous looks for it. (On the other hand, she was pretty terrified of live performances. It would have been very interesting to see how the competition between these two would have unfolded had Asmahan not died at 24.) If you're interested in Asmahan, btw, the recently released EMI Arabia BBC recordings of Asmahan are a good (though the sound quality is spotty). Farid el Atrache had a long career starring in movies, and I'm pretty sure that Abdel Halim also appeared in films. I think they pretty much all did, to one degree or another. Plus there were some less known, but still pretty prominent, singers who also had combined singing/acting careers.

I'm glad to see this thread was recovered. I was a little worried.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 04:12 (seventeen years ago) link

An article on pop music in the Islamic world, sort of.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 10 January 2003 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Rockist Scientist, I know I'm replying ages after your message was posted, but sorry about that. I'll recommend some Wahab songs, though I imagine you already experienced many of his music. I would recommend his masterpieces: Cleopatra, Demashque (Damascus), Bafakkar Fi elli naseeni, Ana Haweyt, al-Hawa wa ash-Shabab, ana wel 'azab we hawak, emta ez-zaman, Insa ed-Donya, Gabal at-Tawobad, Majnoon Layla, Gafnuhu 'allamal ghazal, Khayef A'ool, 'Endama Ya'ti al-masa', Kan agmal youm, kol da kan leh, Modhnaka Gafahu. I hope this is hopeful.

Shady Amin, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks Shady, actually of all the major singers mentioned on this thread, Abdel Wahab is the one I am least familiar with, so while I've heard of some of the titles you recommend, I don't actually know the music yet. (I am familiar with much of his material for Oum Kalthoum, Abdel Wahab, Fairouz, Naget, and Warda. (I think he wrote at least something for Warda?)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
That store where I was buying Arabic CDs this summer now has them at $10 a pop. I think I am going to go back and pick up most of the remaining Abdel Wahab and Farid CDs I didn't get before, and maybe Abdel Halim's Mawood. Also thinking maybe I should buy Fairouz and Oum Kalthoum CDs to donate to the library.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Can you recommend Abdel Wahab's Cleopatra? I've seen it at Tower for about $9.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 31 January 2003 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Amateurist, Shady, above, recommended it. I'm not that familiar with Abdel Wahab and am a little leery, since I've picked up a couple CDs that I thought were duds (one tonight). However, I've also heard some really beautiful recordings by him.

Tonight I picked up:

Mohammed Abdel Wahab: Daret al Ayam [I don't like his singing here, and I'm not that big a fan of his oud playing anyway, though the title song has some great moments, compositionally speaking; but you're better off with the Oum Kalthoum recording, I think. Actually, even that isn't among her best, but parts of this song are quite memorable.]

Farid el Atrache: Hikayet Gharami

Asmahan & Farid [two different CDs, one blue, one pink]

I'm really happy I didn't miss out on the chance to pick up the Asmahan & Farid CDs. The sound quality is surprisingly better than it is on the Club du Disques Arabe "Les Archives de la Musique Arabe" Asmahan CDs (for the songs that overlap). In particular, her singing is much clearer here. Mind you, this is not fantastic sound, just relatively better. These disques [unintended typo! how did I do that?] contain the songs that Farid wrote for his sister. I wonder what sort of originals Club du Disques Arabe was working from.

The store where I bought these also had some Latin CDs on sale for cheap. I picked up a Victor Manuelle compilation for &6.99. I think it was probably worth it.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 31 January 2003 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Where do you live?

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 31 January 2003 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Philadelphia, PA. I bought these at one of the many Israeli (or possibly Israeli-American) owned record/stereo equipment stores in center city.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 31 January 2003 01:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I never got back to you re: the 1920's recordings and their times.

From Vol. II of the "Anthologie de la Musique Arabe" Oum Kalthoum CD series: Kam Baatna (1926) 7'25; Dzikra Saad (1926) 4'30; Ya Assiya Elhagr (1927) 6'48; Ala Anni El Hagr (1927) 6'00, etc.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 31 January 2003 01:37 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Here is an active site* where Listen to Om Kolsoom mp3s.

*Unlike about a dozen great Arabic music audio sites I had bookmarked long ago, which have either disappeared, no longer work, or now charge money.

A Music Consumer, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 02:18 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
yesterday i picked up an LP copy (french pressing) of Fakkarouni (it says it's from '71). i don't own much arabic music, so i'm trying to digest it now as it's a completely new genre for me. the strings are pretty neat. snakey and squirmy. and at times it seems like either the strings or her vocals might be improvised, but they're not because they're exactly in sync at many moments. each of the two songs takes up a side of the record, so they're pretty long.

my favorite part of the album comes in the intro to the first song where there's an electric guitar playing the lead melody. it's got a clean tone, and almost reminds me of either surf music (yes i know dick dale was heavily influenced from his lebanese upbringing) or some of the guitar leads in a Morricone western. i guess i like this now because it's the most western, recognizable element of the music. something i can grasp onto. it's also neat because, the guitar being fretted, you can't get many of the semitones you would be able to get from a violin or oud.

btw. Rockist: you're A Music Consumer and DeRayMi? i always thought there were two big salsa lovers on the board, and now i find it's just you?

JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 31 March 2003 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

the strings are pretty neat. snakey and squirmy. and at times it seems like either the strings or her vocals might be improvised, but they're not because they're exactly in sync at many moments.

The music (by Mohammed Abdel Wahab) and lyrics are both pre-composed, but there is room for melodic, and other types of improvisation, by Oum Kaltoum. Also, Oum Kalthoum frequently would repeat verses or longer passages in response to audience requests to hear them again (or simply in response to her sense of the crowd's mood); and part of the challenge would be to sing the same thing again, but change it in effective ways. I don't think that her orchestra would have had much difficulty staying in sync with her improvisation, since (a) they seem to have had certain conventional little sound squiggles they could fall back on and (b) they worked with her so extensively, and would have included musicians who had been with her for decades, probably.

Keep in mind that this is late in her career, and her voice is not as flexible or powerful as it was when she was younger.

Some other recordings that include electric guitar: Alf Leyla, We Marret el Aym (sometimes: Daret el Ayam, etc. etc.), Inta Omri.

("A Music Consumer" was an abortive name change, and yes DeRayMi is an earlier screen name, changed in a futile effort to stop putting out so much information that could identify who I am in real life.)

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 31 March 2003 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

RS – Simon Shaheen has been performing music by Mohamed Abdel Wahab & Oum Kulthoum. Did you get to see any of those shows?
I think he’s releasing an album of that late this year and mounting a larger tour for it than the few shows he did at end of last year/beginning of this year.

H (Heruy), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:03 (seventeen years ago) link

H, Thanks, I haven't heard about that. Maybe I shouldn't say this but I find Simon Shaheen's approach to things a bit dry. Maybe he tries too hard to treat this music seriously (kind of like Munir Bachir, though maybe as not as extreme), to the point where some of the juice is lost. I haven't checked him out for a while, though, so I might be tempted to give this a try. I do appreciate the work his has done to promote Arabic music, including his organization of the Maharajan (sp?) festival in Brooklyn (though either that has stopped, or no one is making an effort to keep the mailing list up-to-date); but his own music has mostly left me cold. I kind of liked a CD he did with Ali Jihad Racy (who I also generally find to be "too dry" as a musician).

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure Simon Shaheen did an album of Abdel Wahab songs a while ago, and I wasn't too taken with it.

If anyone wonders who I consider to be not-dry oudists, I give my usual examples: Riad el-Sounbatti (whose CD of taksim is once again unavailable, so I've missed out for now), Mohammed el-Qassabji (though I haven't heard much of his solo playing at all), and Farid el Atrache (despite his over-reliance on the same formula for most solos).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

how do you rate Hamza El Din? pretty beautiful stuff, i think.

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm more hesitant about saying anything bad about Hamza el Din, but he's not really a favorite. I tend to prefer Egyptian oud playing and take that as my model. (I see from a quick check of liner notes that Hamza el Din studied in Cairo, but I still think he took the sound in a different direction.) I don't really like Sudanese music that much, either, from what I've heard of it.

I'm more willing to criticize someone like Simon Shaheen (or Marcel Khalife's oud experiments) because I think I have a handle on the tradition they are operating out of; but in the case of Hamza el Din, I don't think I have enough of a feel for Sudanese music, or for the distinctive Nubian ethnic tradition.

I'd be interested in hearing more though. The only CD I have by him is Music of Nubia. What have you heard and what would you recommend?

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 02:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually a thread on oudists would be a good idea.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link

What I was sort of trying to say above re: Shaheen is that the music of Abdel Wahab and Oum Kalthoum was extremely popular music. The audience was very involved, audibly so. It was rooted in Arab classical tradition, but it's energy was not rarified or conservatory-oriented. Clearly, Shaheen is fighting an uphill battle to preserve tradition (while not ruling out innovation) and to do so in the U.S., where this type of music hardly has a broad popular base. But I miss the "vibe" that is present in the older recordings of the popular masters.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

to see this thread brought up again and again is just great; haven't contributed to it myself (haven't heard that much of OK's recordings, only compilations at a library a while ago),
but now a related question occured to me --
Mahmoud Fadl feat.Salwa Abou Greisha:Umm Kalthum 7000, what about this record? anyone here familiar with it? what is actually on it?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Youtube is placing an add in the middle. Man, is that annoying. I am hoping that will go away if I play as embedded video.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 26 May 2017 00:27 (three years ago) link

"Ela Arafat Allah" is so good.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 29 May 2017 16:21 (three years ago) link

Kinda bugs me, that with her deserved fame, her name is still "mother of Kalthoum". Her birthname, btw, is Fātimah ʾIbrāhīm as-Sayyid al-Biltāǧī.

it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Monday, 29 May 2017 16:36 (three years ago) link

I guess you know that Umm Kulthum was one of the companions of the Prophet, so it's got a certain cachet in that cultural context.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 29 May 2017 23:23 (three years ago) link

I don't know the history of how the subject of this thread ended up with that name though. I don't remember if I've ever read an explanation.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 29 May 2017 23:24 (three years ago) link

I can also see how the name's background doesn't necessarily make it any less annoying that her name is mother of somebody or other.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 01:34 (three years ago) link

40s and 50s songs are generally so much better. There are a few exceptions, but really just a few as far as I'm concerned. *eating a handful of Ajwa dates*

I love that Spotify has a bunch of her "singles" in chronological order now. There are some difficult songs with difficult titles that I've always had trouble keeping track of. This helps.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 03:57 (three years ago) link

I mean, a lot of the later material has fantastic and memorable melodies but the songs don't work as well as vehicles for her singing.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 04:03 (three years ago) link

"taking a [vocal] line out for a walk"

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 10 June 2017 21:53 (three years ago) link

Another Saturday with El Sett, coming later, once I'm more awake.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 17 June 2017 16:31 (three years ago) link

If the single-digit humidity doesn't kill me.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 17 June 2017 16:34 (three years ago) link

I made an Oum Kalthoum playlist. Nothing special, just my favorite songs as available on Spotify. (There are some crucial, commercially available live recordings missing from Spotify.)


_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 25 June 2017 15:14 (three years ago) link

I actually feel guilty it's so short, but I was being very selective. I might add some later songs eventually. If they had a good live Hazihi Leylati. . . Or maybe if they had the studio Inta Omri. . . The beginning of Baid Anak is stunning, but I do think it goes on too long, with too many audience-demanded repetitions of sections that don't actually help.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 25 June 2017 15:19 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

I haven't watched this yet, but the introduction alone is mind-blowing. Nasser arrives with his security detail/entourage, at one point.


Domtek is either a great new channel or one I had missed previously.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 3 December 2017 23:58 (two years ago) link

I don't really love Amal Hayati though.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 4 December 2017 00:22 (two years ago) link

A very fast-tempoed Howwa Sahih that I don't think I've heard before. Definitely have not seen before.


That's more like it.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 4 December 2017 02:26 (two years ago) link

(Abdel Wahab songs so overrated. Sorry to be a broken record.)

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 4 December 2017 02:29 (two years ago) link

I think Oum Kalthoum audiences might be my favorite audience. Another Nasser siting at the end of the video above, incidentally. Unfortunately, there's a glitch in the middle and the sound drops out.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 4 December 2017 18:11 (two years ago) link

Also, the seriousness of the announcers is great.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 4 December 2017 18:11 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Howwa Sahih really has Zakariya Ahmed written all over it.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 6 January 2018 02:12 (two years ago) link

Patience has its limits, indeed.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 8 January 2018 23:30 (two years ago) link


Have we realized yet how perfect this is?

How do I feel a complaint? (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:40 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Did not realize till the other night that there’s a song in the Tony Award winning musical, The Band’s Visit, called “”Oum Kulthum and Omar Sharif.” One of the stars of the show who sang it on the Tonys, gave a shoutout when she won an award, to the late Kulthum.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 04:07 (two years ago) link

Anyone seen 'Looking for Oum Kulthum'? I wasn't that big of a fan, Shirin Neshat makes it into a meta-movie that is to a large part about herself, but the recreations of scenes from Kulthums career are really good.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 11:51 (two years ago) link

Haven’t seen it.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 15:26 (two years ago) link

nine months pass...

Hello Rudipherous and anyone else who can be of help.

I've got a note that I should start investigating Umm Kulthum at this point, but not sure where to start. What I need is a reasonably-sized (say 2CD) retrospective covering her whole recording career, and (very important!) dates of recording for each track. Does such a thing exist?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 12:42 (one year ago) link

I missed Frederik asking who else had seen the film, but I didn't like it very much either for the same meta reasons as he did. An actual biography would have been nice.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:59 (one year ago) link

From what I remember, trying to find decent cds is a total crapshoot if not outright impossible not knowing arabic. I ended up buying MP3s and finding random downloads mostly for my collection, which by the time I gave up searching ran about 12-15 acceptable recordings which deliver the goods (and I think 3 of them I have on cd, all excellent, and all by the same label with colorful arabesque artwork and no liner notes or recording info.) I still listen to her sometimes, her work remains interesting over time. IMO the sweet spot is any given live recording from 1950s through maybe mid-60s that runs 30-50 minutes. That stuff is invariably sublime though also invariably lo fi. Later recordings from the 70s are slicker and sound really good and hi fi but are completely ruined for this somewhat discerning listener by goofy sounding harmonium and sometimes electric surf-guitar sounding oud (or some kind of twangy electric stringed non-guitar anyway). The surf-oud and harmonium isn't part of the sonic equation earlier thankfully!!! The mid-period (I guess) longform live stuff I dig is all violins/cellos and percussion, and thoroughly righteous.

Early period for me is the studio stuff, very short tunes for 45rpm of little interest, and later would be the gross harmonium live recordings.

liam fennell, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:01 (one year ago) link

Thanks for the tips Liam, and

my collection, which by the time I gave up searching ran about 12-15 acceptable recordings which deliver the goods
could I trouble you for a list of these? Just with whatever info you have?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:08 (one year ago) link

Sure, check back here in a day or so. If you want I'll try to email you all of them as onedrive links. They're all different tunes, each performance its own long mp3, and I think all essentially radio bootlegs anyway because that's how this stuff was originally disseminated.

I just searched Oum Kalthoum blog and re-found the first tune/download of hers I listened to extensively, Esal Rouhak, and the download link is still active somehow! It's a pretty awesome performance and tune, and the rest I treasure are along these lines, so give it a shot:


liam fennell, Thursday, 11 April 2019 12:15 (one year ago) link

That would be brilliant, thanks!

Checking this one out now - this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Kulthum#Selected_discography - says it's from 1970, which is very late indeed.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:40 (one year ago) link

Listened to this last night, really good thanks, I didn't realise the length of the tracks was because each one was like an album and with so much drama and variety.

The previous thing I had was a 1924 recording which isn't really up to scratch, even for 1924, so good to get it now.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 12 April 2019 09:30 (one year ago) link

Cool, you're welcome! Yeah, I guess that's what I mean by the goods; the songs when she was exclusively a live performer are all like miniature operas or something, long sonic tapestries that unfold and develop one or two simple ideas. There's always some really neat musical motives that gets put through a ton of variations and which she ornaments and illuminates with her voice. She's kind of a force of nature, really!

I just sent an email to the address connected to your profile with a onedrive download link to a folder with all the ones I have, including the later ones which I dislike solely because of some questionable instrumentation choices. As for the later ones, the tunes are still good, and the quality isn't hazy at all, it's very crisp/clear. You might dig them more than me, so!

liam fennell, Friday, 12 April 2019 12:51 (one year ago) link

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