The interesting thing about these tweaks is that they abandon the pretense of scientific support. Whereas w/ feet for speaker stands in Stereophile or whatever they'll be some physicist explaining how the damping works, here's it's just like, Hey, put this magic clock in the room and it'll improve the sound. I love it.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Sorry, maybe I'm Billy-doesn't-get-it, but is this site real or an elaborate spoof?
― Matt #2, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I had initially assumed spoof, but I followed some links and poked around and it appears to be real, or at least elaborate enough a spoof to include three or four different sites. Stereophile had an article on some of these tweaks a few years ago anyway:
http://www.stereophile.com/news/10415/
― Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
even if it is a spoof there's certainly enough real snake-oil products with extremely similar purposes/explanations
here's a collection of some more: http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm
― ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link
i know someone who swears by this .... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280182123367&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018
― zappi, Thursday, 13 December 2007 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link
"extremely flat"
― nabisco, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't even know what "a richer, fuller sound, with less emphasis of detail" means. it's supposed to be a good thing?
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link
My latest tweak = this chair;
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Photo624.jpg
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm actually buying a glass platter for my turntable. i might even buy that mat for it. i'm a sucka 4 luv.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:24 (sixteen years ago) link
actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link
The chair's totally not a joke; it's expensive and comfortable and easily moved but it's not likely to make me fall asleep in it (no headrest); if I'm comfortable and awake, I can concentrate on listening more. I bought it (almost) with the sole intention of it being a 'headphones' chair.
But yeah, basic physics says position your speakers correctly and sit in the right spot; you simply don't get stereo-imaging without it.
― Scik Mouthy, Friday, 14 December 2007 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/
...a coat hanger.
― bendy, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
that's AMAZING. audiophiles are some weird people, man.
― ian, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:39 PM
totally true
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link
actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about
― electricsound, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link
is there already a company selling audiophile interior house paint?
because if there is, I should start selling audiophile EXTERIOR house paint.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link
(xpost) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Dbsts2.jpg
― snoball, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 23:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I was much, much less impressed with this enormous fucking Naim set-up than I should have been given how much it ought to have cost. Sure it went LOUD, but sound-wise I wouldn't swap it for my own system, I don't think.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0126.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0128.jpg
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Is it just perspective on that first photo, or are your speakers nearly at shoulder height?
― Rob M v2, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, no - is that a Cyrus CD player? Or tuner? And why isn't everything on Mana shelves? That's why it doesn't sound that good. And has it been on continuously for five years? Another biggie with Naimists. (Seriously, that doesn't look like a great room for those huge - and amazingly ugly - speakers).
What's the turntable - Nottingham Spacedek or something? Oracle Delphi?
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link
mp3s out a old marantz amp someone gave me and 15 y/o bottom of the line cambridge soundworks speakers all day babay
although i did love to read sudiophile magazines when i worked at a bookstore just for the lulz
― jhøshea, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link
The speakers are nearly to chest height - I'm 5'8".
The Cyrus is just a DAC for his wireless streaming thing. Dunno what the turntable is. The room is big but odd; it's a loft that used to be three bedrooms. There's a (low) double bed behind the speakers, plus a desk, which is where I slept (not the desk) (although that picture was taken at 6am so sleeping wasn't exactly urgent and key that weekend).
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I really wish someone had just given me a peek into my co-habiting/flat in communal block/married-with-kids future when I was handing over the moolah for all my gear in 1996-97. I wish I'd just got something good/2nd-hand with a small footprint (Cyrus CD/integrated, ProAc speakers, something like that; maybe a Pro-Ject record deck, old Marantz cassette deck, NAD tuner, cables from Maplin) and STOPPED there. Think of all the photographic gear I could've bought with the money saved if I'd just contracted that particular hobbyist bug a decade earlier!
(Ah, DAC for wireless streaming; the Naim box-stacking is kinda insane - external power supplies for everything. Makes my Audiolab pre/mono arrangement look positively understated).
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
The speakers are Naim DBLs. They weigh about 15st each. Retail these days at £15k. When he got them, in 2000, they should have been £12k. He got them for £4k cos they were "shop-soiled" - the band he's in had an arrangement with Naim and they'd been using them as a playback set-up when they recorded an album in a country house, and the guitarist's dog had taken a bite out of the bottom corner of one, or something.
I'm kind of glad I've had a brush with stuff that's seriously high-end because it's warned me off a bit. Our flat's not that small, but it's a flat nonetheless, and, you know, I want stuff on the walls and holidays and a new camera and stuff maybe too.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I think my main response to audiophilia these days is that the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
How so?
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link
the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.
b i n g o
― Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link
if anyone is looking for really great speakers that won't break your bank....i bought these about a year ago and couldn't be more pleased with them...they are really surprising given the price and size:
Epos ELS 3 mini monitors:
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73457
i run them with a Cambridge Audio integrated amp w/Cambridge phono pre-amp.....
My turntable is a Rega P1 -- one thing on that i would recommend is buying a glass platter and also i replaced the original ortofon cartridge with a Denon DL 160 cartridge which is a fucking amazing cartridge for the price...
For CD player I run a really really old NAD one that I got off craigslist for $35...it works pretty well, has a hard time tracking CD-Rs but will play them after awhile (it's from 87 though so I guess there weren't even CD-Rs then)
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Post more pics of slobs in garrets seasoned with with ridiculous sound systems and ugly furniture.
― Gorge, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I really like the coffee table.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I think my favourite way / place to listen to music these days, rather than the big sofa and NAD / Cambridge Audio / Tannoy / proper rack & stands set-up in the living room, with everything anchored in a nice triangle, blah blah, equidistant from rear walls, speakers toed in, is the hotch-potch system in the back room, with the knackered Marantz CD, 20-year-old Marantz amp, DAC, and diddy Q Acoustics speakers. Cos I have space, peace, my comfy chair, books, headphones, no TV or console to distract.
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Those are the kind of speakers you buy to justify having previously bought Monster Cable.
― kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
What's the sensitivity rating on those things? It might be all show, but they certainly look like they could bring on an involuntary bowel movement.
― kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Specifications Frequency response (in room)
17Hz - 20kHz 3dB
Sensitivity
92dB/1W/1m
Impedance
4 Ohms (minimum)
Power handling
200W (music programme)
Dimensions H x W x D
1200mm x 650mm x 400mm
Finish options include
Cherry Maple Piano Black [to special order]
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
like i said before, it's been my impression that tru-skool audiophiles think monster cable is for philistines and ppl that buy stereo equipment at best buy.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
It's just a damn swindle, is all.
― kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Tru-skool audiophiles do think that. I've never seen Monster cables mentioned in a hi-fi mag. Not that I read them that often. I have one Monster cable, and that's a 3.5 stereo mini-jack to 2 phono thing, for the iPod dock.
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
It's the new gold-plated CD.
― kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
The main rig's cabling: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0267.jpg
The little rig's cabling: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0268.jpg
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
my CD player connects and the connects for my phono pre-amp are monster...i got them for $7 a set from some online store...actually pretty good if you can find them for cheap, but nowhere near worth the money they usually charge.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
it's a $500 ethernet cable!
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp
― elan, Saturday, 14 June 2008 04:46 (fifteen years ago) link
fucking ridiculous
― electricsound, Saturday, 14 June 2008 04:50 (fifteen years ago) link
-- Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, May 7, 2008 1:50 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link
i never answered this.. basically in a room with a balanced frequency response, the only difference you should theoretically hear by positioning yourself differently in a room would be volume changes based on how far you are away from the sound source. if your music sounds different by shifting yourself a foot to the left of your speaker, it's because the frequency balance is not even across the room. you could be sitting in a bass null or peak which may affect the sound positively or negatively to varying degrees
effectively in a room without a balanced frequency response, the room is affecting what you hear to a very large degree. probably 10000x more than expensive cables will in a million years
― electricsound, Saturday, 14 June 2008 04:57 (fifteen years ago) link
See, I was thinking more just about getting accurate stereo-imaging re; speaker placement, rather than frequency-response; you can't get proper stereo-imaging if the speakers aren't in front of you.
― Scik Mouthy, Saturday, 14 June 2008 08:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Just buy a fucking sixpack and listen to something good, jesus
― Niles Caulder, Saturday, 14 June 2008 08:41 (fifteen years ago) link
What audio equipment uses ethernet cables?
― bendy, Saturday, 14 June 2008 10:35 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.musictoyz.com/images/jpg/gtfat2.jpg
Not sure if this quite belongs here, though is audio related and I suspect this is some serious snake oil.
Anyone know about this fuckin thing?
― RabiesAngentleman, Saturday, 14 June 2008 12:29 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Groove-Tubes-Fat-Finger-Guitar-Sustain-Enhancer?sku=420270
― RabiesAngentleman, Saturday, 14 June 2008 12:30 (fifteen years ago) link
lol i have used it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 14 June 2008 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Denon's 1.5 meter (59 in.) ultra premium Denon Link cable was designed for the audio enthusiast. Made from high purity copper wire and high performance connection parts, the AK-DL1 will bring out all the nuances in digital audio reproduction from any of our Denon DVD players with the Denon Link feature. Attention to detail when building this cable was used by empoying high quality insulation, tin-bearing alloy shielding and woven jacketing to reduce vibration and to add durability. Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer. Rounded plug levers help prevent breakage.
It's a digital signal! Either you have a dropout or you don't! There's no gradual loss of quality that may happen with other signal types. Furthermore, with the error-correction that's surely present in whatever communications protocol is used here, the correctness of the signal is probably 100% minus whatever % is represented by the droppage of a single bit every 1,000,000,000,000,000 years. The PCB is going to corrode into unusability before a bad frame is transmitted.
― libcrypt, Sunday, 15 June 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
to say nothing of the acoustically beneficial properties of mickey mouse gnome figurines
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:18 (one month ago) link
I didn't really know if the wood is good or bad, I could imagine it reflecting some stuff but maybe not because it's more porous?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 01:14 (one month ago) link
I was trying not to be creepy with "Wait, I know the room he's describing! I've been there!"
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 17:18 (one month ago) link
lol, it's a true statement and not at all creepy, mh happens to be the only ILX person to have visited the Moodles home, although a bunch of folks from here have seen this same room in zoom sessions
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 17:35 (one month ago) link
But why place the Eames chair off-center?!
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:02 (one month ago) link
it's the only place it will really fit in that room, photo was taken from the perspective of the big sofa on the opposite wall where I spend most of my time, there's a cluttered coffee table next to the Eames chair that I moved out of the way for a better shot
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:13 (one month ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C20vGfiv1qK/?igsh=dHVlbDMxeGY4bndk
― ionjusit (P. Flick), Saturday, 24 February 2024 17:06 (one month ago) link
this is primo snake oilhttps://www.musicdirect.com/equipment/accessories/audio-additives-sorbothane-6-x-6-damping-sheet-each/on sale!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 23:15 (four weeks ago) link
if you’re not using damping sheets are you even really listening to music?
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 23:58 (four weeks ago) link
the word “thereby” does a lot of work in these pitches
― brimstead, Thursday, 21 March 2024 00:36 (four weeks ago) link
You need the cold-pressed sorbothane otherwise it can really mess with the soundstage...
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Thursday, 21 March 2024 00:50 (four weeks ago) link
the fact they are 0.125 inches thick is so hilarious
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 March 2024 00:52 (four weeks ago) link
Sorbothane is a legit shock-absorbing material - watch at 1:48 for the attempted hand-smashing (it's actually pretty impressive):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVN98EwM3l0
― ernestp, Thursday, 21 March 2024 01:22 (four weeks ago) link
yeesh
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 21 March 2024 01:35 (four weeks ago) link
Hate the marketing, not the material! Hahaha
― ernestp, Thursday, 21 March 2024 01:39 (four weeks ago) link
Place them anywhere you have vibration and let your components deliver better performance.
pretend you don't have any context whatsoever for the above sentence.
seems quite rude + intrusive now, doesn't it? with all due respect, what could you possibly know about my components?
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Thursday, 21 March 2024 01:55 (four weeks ago) link
sorbothane does seem pretty cool. unfortunately the link posted seems to be the going rate
― 龜, Thursday, 21 March 2024 02:26 (four weeks ago) link
goddamn it I'm gonna end up buying this crap
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 March 2024 03:57 (four weeks ago) link
Pretty easily debunked - sorbothane is a high impedance material for physical vibration, so it would absorb vibration passing from one thing to another. You can't place it on something and expect it to "suck in" vibration, or stick it to something vibrating in the hope of damping it down; mass is pretty much the only way to do that.Also worth pointing out that sound is, y'know, vibration, so I wouldn't be keen on a material that absorbed ambient vibration around my audio system.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 21 March 2024 05:03 (four weeks ago) link
i was thinking it'd be good to use as speaker feet? or turntable feet?
― 龜, Thursday, 21 March 2024 11:14 (four weeks ago) link
For sure, I’m just guessing they hope people will use it like magic stones
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 21 March 2024 11:18 (four weeks ago) link
xps according to sorbothane.com, it can be used both for vibration isolation and vibration damping, so not sure that is correct:
https://www.sorbothane.com/technical-data/articles/vibration-damping/
― bulb after bulb, Thursday, 21 March 2024 12:18 (four weeks ago) link
Is it named after Kevin Sorbo
― Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 21 March 2024 12:32 (four weeks ago) link
lol
― budo jeru, Thursday, 21 March 2024 14:59 (four weeks ago) link
Urethane is named after Kevin Sorbo's urethra
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Thursday, 21 March 2024 16:29 (four weeks ago) link
pls stop posting about that person. thanks.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Thursday, 21 March 2024 17:02 (four weeks ago) link
xps I think that describes two different modes of reducing vibration between things, not sucking it out of the air. I’m sure it would prevent e.g. sound from bouncing off a surface (which is also a coupling thing) but I strongly doubt you’d unwrap a sorbothane mat and the room would go quiet.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:07 (four weeks ago) link
people I think we all need to consider this incredible breakthrough: I present the ground box.https://www.entreq.com/en-GB/products/ground-boxes-17667704Sceptical? What if I told you that
By attaching an Entreq ground box with Eartha cables to your gear, you can eliminate high-frequency pollution, resulting in more detailed and clear music. You will experience a better flow, more air, and improved dynamics.It's like driving a car with the handbrake on and then releasing it, everything works smoother.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 22:20 (two weeks ago) link
oh I need a whole bunch of these
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 4 April 2024 01:07 (two weeks ago) link
they tried not to advertise their prices but I can't be deterred in my pursuit of a box with some plates in it https://www.futureshop.co.uk/brands-category/entreq/entreq-grounding-boxes
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 4 April 2024 01:13 (two weeks ago) link
reminds me of an orgone box https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone
― 龜, Thursday, 4 April 2024 01:24 (two weeks ago) link
New username harvested from the ground box website...
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 4 April 2024 01:40 (two weeks ago) link
hat tip to the "Eartha" cable name
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 4 April 2024 02:20 (two weeks ago) link