Is 'Hardcore-Pop' an oxymoron?'

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So anyway...Hardcore-Pop...its a term some teenager on the alternative press website was throwing around as if its something that actually exists...
do any of you folks know what it is, ever heard of it, give a rat's patootie about it, etc???

Seems to me hardcore and pop are opposites, no?

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

no... the opposite of pop would be un-pop
and the opposite of hardcore would be anything Shania Twain does, save sucking on Mutt's weenis.

― Frank S. Besnar (latterallateral), Friday, 22 September 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

But isnt part of hardcore rejecting any institutional mainstream vehicile while that is all Pop is about?

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Zip it.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

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― mango selassie (teenagequiet), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Hardcore pops are fun.

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

pop music is good
it sounds like it should

― sleep (sleep), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"Mr. Owl, do you know how many licks it takes to get to the centre of a Hardcore-Pop?"

― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

WOOOSH!!!!

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there ANYone here who doesnt think they are Jack Black?
Christ, trying to have a legit conversation with you people is like trying to pull teeth...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah, the conversations you're looking for are in the archives. Just search "dead horse"

― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Couldnt find it under 'dead horse'...maybe I should try 'smart ass'.

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Dead Horse ROCKED.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked their first album better.

― js (honestengine), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:21 (seventeen years ago) link

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/1902593022.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

way xpost

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Tootsie_Pops_Mascot.jpg

― mark 0 (mark 0), Saturday, 23 September 2006 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, if anyone can give me a link that touches upon the same topic (is hardcore-pop an oxymoron?) then I'd appreciate it...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Keep. Hope. Alive. Keep. Hope. Alive. Keep. Hope. Alive.

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Charlie - the root cause is that the person who founded the site, i.e. me, loves slick popstars and hates wholemeal bores like Wilco and the insufferable Flaming Lips.
I started the message board precisely because there were a million places on the internet to talk about that kind of music and precious few where adults could discuss pop. Anyway most of the original posters here were people I already knew, and while the pop-friendly aspect of ILM has been diluted over the years it's never entirely faded away.

-- Tom (freakytrigge...), September 26th, 2006. (later)

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

THere's no place on the internet to discuss Pop?

*grabs heart and stumbles backward* "Hold on Lizbeth! This is the big one--I'm a-comin' to join ya Lizabeth!"

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

is your book filled with witticisms such as this?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

and then some...

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

FUNNIER

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

ILM has a kind of perverse reversal of snobbery where it's almost impossible to find anything to be truly ashamed of if you can cobble together even a half-decent justification for it.
Mind you there are a few posters with pet theories of music, the universe and everything who still manage to bring the scorn upon themselves....

-- dance dance counter-revolution (...), September 26th, 2006. (later)

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.borked.us/attention_whore3.jpg

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.accesswave.ca/~rclancey/attention-whore-book.jpg

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

it's almost impossible to find anything to be truly ashamed of if you can cobble together even a half-decent justification for it.

Ironically, this is also one of the basic tenets of Rockism...quality exists, but how many people can justify why something is of quality? Answer: A Rockists can.

― Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

http://gallery.elvado.de/albums/structure/USER-RELATED/insults/attention-whore/caution-ttention-whores.jpg

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Mind you there are a few posters with pet theories of music, the universe and everything who still manage to bring the scorn upon themselves....

-- dance dance counter-revolution (...), September 26th, 2006. (later)

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:oV3Us_1P85EJ:www.soundopinions.com/forum/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D105%26view%3Dgetlastpost+Paul+Edward+Wagemann&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Regardless of if we "deserve it" or not, I highly doubt his nonsense is terrorizing by anyone's standard...but I still think ace/wagamuffin isn't a character, he's just a moron who doesn't take inventory.

His demands for discourse are generally mocked and ignored, which I've done for ages also, but recently I gave him 2 healthy doeses at his request to feel it out, but quickly ignored his demands for follow up (mainly because his request to define what makes Louie Louie sound like Garage Rock wasn't even a half-assed attempt to be provoking), so I've returned to mocking him like the rest.

In short, MOCK THREAD

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I just started reading that emo thread of his. I mean, the stuff is really funny when you're not in the thick of it.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I was never a hater of the marissa threads, so between wagamuffin, squirrel police, and jagger, I've found a replacement for her and her ilx fans

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:kr4PKCa2-QYJ:www.nme.com/boards/showthread.htm%3Ft%3D19980%26page%3D15%26pp%3D10+Paul+Edward+Wagemann+blog&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

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