Though the Beatles had an occasional sideman, the Beach Boys employed them regularly. In the end, though, I give them both a lot of credit for their originalities and many thanks for much listening pleasure.
A little more of a Beatles fan here.
― jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyways I do hate it when people justify the Beatles on historical grounds, it's all true but it makes them boring.It's all about the music, which is terribly exciting (till boring PepperAbbeyRoad)
― Bumfluff, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bumfluff, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― purple patch (electricsound), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 05:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 06:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― forrest price, Sunday, 5 February 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link
Beach Boys released "Pet Sounds" though, which is IMO better than any of the Beatles albums. But other than that, they only released 3-4 other really good album, while The Beatles were perfect more or less everytime around (even their underrated early works, where at least the original compositions were just as great as their later material)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 5 February 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Velvet Overlord (The Velvet Overlord), Sunday, 5 February 2006 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link
Of course for me it's still Beatles >>>> Beach Boys, but I love them both.
― musically (musically), Sunday, 5 February 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Vintage Latin (dog latin), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
I will look this up.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― forrest price, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
a bit, but not very much at all
― whatever (boglogger), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Kilgore Trout, Saturday, 8 April 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link
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― regular roundups (Dave M), Saturday, 8 April 2006 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link
pet sounds is boring.― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 6 February 2006 09:24 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkIn my humble opinion, Smiley Smile pwns Pet Sounds.― Vintage Latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 01:57 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yuh i've been listening to the beach boys a lot lately and i'd much rather listen to any of their other mid-to-late 60s albums than to Pet Sounds.
― fREETIME (wilter), Monday, 22 September 2008 06:15 (fifteen years ago) link
..also i would much rather listen to the beach boys than the beatles. Beach Boys schmaltzy >>>Beatles schmaltzy imo.
― fREETIME (wilter), Monday, 22 September 2008 06:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Beach Boys!
― Tape Store, Monday, 22 September 2008 06:35 (fifteen years ago) link
This is a bit like choosing between Martin Luther King and Gandhi.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:16 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink"This is a bit like choosing between Martin Luther King and Gandhi"a bit, but not very much at all
― whatever (boglogger), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:47 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol
― fREETIME (wilter), Monday, 22 September 2008 06:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually quite a bit. We're speaking of perhaps the two musical geniuses of the 20th century, named Wilson and McCartney.
The Beatles wins because they had two more excellent songwriters besides the genius.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 22 September 2008 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link
The Beatles had a 5 year span of 64-69, not counting their 2 first years with no original material. The Beach Boys from 62-72 or Surfin Safari thru Holland had more consistently of killer classic albums than Anyone Ever! Not just Pet Sounds but Surfer Girl, All Summer Long, Today, Summer days, Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Sunflower, Surfs up, Holland & lastly Love you in 77. Disregard the bulk of their output post-77 but there were Still killer tunes in the 80s...BEACH BOYS #1 FOREVER. RAMONES #2
― Jadams85, Monday, 29 March 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link
BEACH BOYS #1 FOREVER. RAMONES #2
― maelin, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ususRR09u8A
― maelin, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
it is like comparing the clash vs the ramones but in this case the usa wins!
― xzanfar, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:39 (three years ago) link
Jadams85 makes a good case.
― beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
food! did you get a malt? whatdja get me? ooo a pickle! there's onions on this! there's a kosher pickle!― AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Denny, do you have any hash joints left? I know you do.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:34 (three years ago) link
Holy shit @ this thread
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link
This was never going to be a good idea but damn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4fb7_fm8fQ
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 2 April 2021 12:16 (two years ago) link
finally, some learned discourse
― treeship., Friday, 2 April 2021 13:22 (two years ago) link
Beatles vs anything finally settled.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 2 April 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
Who'll be the last original member of either group left alive? I'm betting healthy Al Jardine.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 April 2021 16:43 (two years ago) link
McCartney will live till he's 200.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 2 April 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link
1972 Animal Lover Rock: "Wild Life" by Wings vs "Beaks of Eagles" by the Beach Boys.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 April 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link
i've always enjoyed the countless retellings of the time brian was driving down pch or sunset or mulholland and heard strawberry fields on the radio for the first time. had to pull over and cry and was screming "they did it! they did it" and he was with danny hutton or jack nance or donovan in the car or something.
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 2 April 2021 16:59 (two years ago) link
Oh I hadn't heard that. That happened to me when I Heard "Yo!" yesterday.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link
That happens to Greil Marcus every time he turns on the car radio.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 April 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link
I have a suspicion that no one has ever pulled over to the side of the road to listen to an amazing song. It seems like a counterintuitive thing to do. Music is better with speed! How could Brian Wilson ever have gotten from point A to point B in the '60s with all the times he had to pull over?
― Josefa, Friday, 2 April 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link
― In on the killfile (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:29 (two years ago) link
I wonder if anyone would change their vote if the Beach Boys had also made their last album in 1970.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link
Beatles here too, and in terms of '60s bands, the Velvet Underground and the Stones too for that matter. The Beach Boys would be right behind with the Who, the Kinks, the Byrds and CCR, but honestly ranking like this feels kind of pointless, they're all great bands - I'd rather focus on their best work than nitpick over the faults.
Speaking of which, I'd probably drop All Summer Long in favor of SMiLE had it been "finished." Brian Wilson circa 2004 isn't the same as him circa 1967, but what they put out in 2011 based on the 2004 template makes the case that what they had was very close to an album that could be considered finished, even if Brian had envisioned a whole lot more work. Some of the lyrics used to finish it in 2004 didn't feel all that necessary, IMHO - "Blue Hawaii" felt like the only song that needed substantial work, and even in its unfinished state, it sounds like the old recordings had the framework and more.
― birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:07 (two years ago) link
And I should add, YES, it does live up to the hype. It was kind of tough to listen when I first heard the bootlegs, but when I heard them put together based on the 2004 album (this was before the definitive 2011 reissue), it was kind of miraculous - like it really needed to be sequenced correctly and pruned of the extraneous bits to make everything come through, and it really is brilliant. I don't know if he'll ever admit this, but I think that's what happened to Christgau. He consistently dumped on that work for decades and then he listens to the 2004 album and suddenly lo and behold it's an A+ work of genius. He says it's mainly due to the new vocals, but I don't find that convincing at all.
― birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link
"don't worry baby" is better than any beatles songs but i prefer the beatles overall
― treeship., Friday, 9 April 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link
That is sort of my take, although at some point I kind of finally burned out on The Beatles. Although I can still listen in moderation, I guess.
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 April 2021 16:19 (two years ago) link
"Don't Worry Baby" is probably my favorite Beach Boys track, even before Carl Wilson died. I remember flipping on the oldies station (104 around Chicago) that Sunday while I ate a late breakfast and read the Sunday comics, and then two songs later, they play this while mentioning "you probably heard by now" etc. I hadn't been a Beach Boys fan for that long, but the band felt really gone after that, with two original members dead and Brian far from his former self. "God Only Knows" is right up there too, and Carl sung that.
But "A Day in the Life" is probably my favorite track period, I'm still amazed by it.
― birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link
the best thing about The Beach Boys was their sweet Pendleton shirts
― brimstead, Friday, 9 April 2021 18:46 (two years ago) link
Did the Beatles ever team up with the Fat Boys? No? Case closed, I guess.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link
Did the Beatles ever let a tremendously coked up, vacation-wear Jimmy Page rend a hole in the fabric of space and time during a corny bar band version of "Lucille"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpL-eVpgJpY
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 April 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
I've never been a Beatles fan per se but they're still several orders of magnitude better than the Beach Boys, whose music I actively dislike save for 'God Only Knows' and 'Good Vibrations'. Everything else can perish in a fire.
― pomenitul, Friday, 9 April 2021 18:57 (two years ago) link
But have u heard about a little place called Kokomo
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link
Pom do you know “til i die”?
― brimstead, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link
it talks about falling onto rocks and ones soul being killed
― brimstead, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
'Kokomo' is hilarious, ergo I don't hate it.
I agree that 'Til I Die' is one of their finer moments.
― pomenitul, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
ITT: Tell The Beatles to Fuck Off
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:12 (two years ago) link
So grateful to my parents and older sister that I could grow up in a household uncontaminated by the works of Paul McCartney.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:13 (two years ago) link
Don't have an older sister but cosign.
― pomenitul, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link
One of my favorite and most underrated Beach Boys songs, in a depresso 'Til I Die' vein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_LX-m74uw
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link
xpost Yes, I will cosign as well. I heard a lot of 'oldies' growing up but weirdly didn't hear hardly any of the post-Help Beatles songs until I was an adult.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link
love it, reminds me of chris bell xp
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
Almost certainly my favorite Love vocal.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:21 (two years ago) link
I never thought "All I Wanna Do" was depressing, it's very nice but basically a 1964 ballad with some weird keyboards and phasing on the vocals.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
In my more provocative moments, I might be inclined to say that Blondie Chaplin's tenure is my favorite BB era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D10_uNfCW4Y
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
That is an excellent song, and so much better than the two Fataar/Chaplin songs on Carl and the Passions, I'm surprised they came up with it.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link
I would go so far as to say that Holland contains the personal best songs of everyone in the group except Brian:
Dennis - SteamboatMike - Big SurAl - Beaks of EaglesCarl - The TraderBlondie/Ricky - Leaving This Town
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:32 (two years ago) link
"Beaks of Eagles" is terrible though.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link
I love the recitations, and Charles Lloyd's flute.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link
Poetry recitation and flutes, I'll pass.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
'Poetry Recitation and Flutes, I'll Pass' is my favorite Mike Love song.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
LMAO
― birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
It's a prose recitation, really.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 20:49 (two years ago) link
I love it. I love the whole "Jardine the eco-lumberjack stuff"
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:53 (two years ago) link
Big Sur is very sweet too.