― ethan, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― your null fame, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Avoid the live version like an an envelope of anthrax, tho'.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark Dixon, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Have I mentioned that my worst experience under the influence of marijuana involves said RW fanatic throwing on a PF record? My buzz, as they say, shit the bed. The ONLY good thing that came from these hellish experiences is learning that _Piper at the Gates of Dawn_ is damn good. The popular Waters albums keep me from approaching the unpopular Waters albums.
What was said earlier, about _The Wall_ being w/ you regardless of love or hate? So true, it hurts. Forced exposure to music does NOT engender feelings of fondness for it. Combine that with NUMEROUS reminders that, hey, this music is GREAT, you HAVE to like it ... well, why don't you just kick me in the head a few times?
― David Raposa, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave225, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Jordan, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― g, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
It's...okay. I'll take "Comfortably Numb" and maybe a couple of other tracks; Ezrin's production and Gilmour's guitar = worthy in general. But it's hard to love and even harder to care about. My NIN reference up above is due in part because I think a slew of people who obviously wore that album into the ground did a lot better work in later years when they started making albums (Tool and Radiohead are other candidates).
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― NORMAN PHAY, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Im just all about the funk today, I need help yesh.
― Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
(i'm pretty sure btw that i've *only* ever heard it from living next door to fuckin dudniks who play dud ass music at at maximum sonority levels.)
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― Ashley Andel, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 8 March 2003 21:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Sunday, 9 March 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's only, at best, the third best Pink Floyd album.
― mei (mei), Sunday, 9 March 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Sunday, 9 March 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Evan (Evan), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
Actually, I think the movie kinda ruined it for me. It's a fine film, don't get me wrong -- but it sort've clouded my impressions of the album.
It's one of the very, very few rock albums that actually has a story to it.
Wha? There are *dozens* and *dozens* of concept albums. What about Ziggy Stardust & the Spiders from Mars, Quadrophenia, Tommy....to say nothing of Kilroy Was Here and Music from The Elder? Etc. Etc.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― your null fame (yournullfame), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
Listening to the album for a couple years, sure, that's fine (but then why did it become so popular already in 1980?)But as for the movie, seeing a movie 6-7 times although you didn't enjoy it the first time. I mean, who would bother that?
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 March 2003 01:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 10 March 2003 01:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Never heard any Gilmour solo stuff other than "Blue Light". Where to start?
― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 10 March 2003 02:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jess Hill (jesshill), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Monday, 10 March 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
That statement is an insult to the intelligence of millions upon millions of people. To really get what's going on? Isn't it eye-bleedingly obvious? War is bad. Daddy left me, and I'm sad. Mommy didn't love me enough, so I have woman issues. I'm so famous that I hate myself. The whole album -- and, indeed, all of Roger Waters' big "theme" records -- is like Freud turned into a Dick and Jane book. See Roger build a wall. Oh, how deeply metaphorical! God, it took me years to understand that!
The word "wanker" applies to perhaps no one on the planet quite so manifestly as it does to Roger Waters.
Dud.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 15 March 2003 06:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 March 2003 06:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
I take it that you must have loved the Pumpkins' Machina: The Machines of God.
― Th Dud, Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Zora (Zora), Sunday, 16 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― original bgm, Sunday, 16 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― original bgm, Sunday, 16 March 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Dark Sides is overated dreck, too.
― christoff (christoff), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
[sorry that was a cameo appearance from me in 7th grade]
[still though it's better than 'the final cut', that shit reex]
― Neudonym, Monday, 17 March 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
now that i've put everyone asleep, the WORLD IS MINE!
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 17 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 07:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
I also listened to it about a week ago, and realised that it's a huge crock of shit. It's too slow and morbid and pointless. The songwriting wasn't as good as I remembered, and guitarwork certainly wasn't as good as I remembered, and the whole thing reeked of "look how clever I am".
Full marks to the guy who said it's a clud. Yes, it's a classic, as it speaks to the disaffected teenager as well as anything, but it's also a dud, because it seesm to appeal to this lowest denominator, and go no further.
On the other hand, I suppose a classic is something you would listen to over and over again, and a dud is something you would never want to infect your eardrums as long as you live. Since I don't want to ever hear The Wall again, I would have to say dud.
But I have fond memories of this album . . .
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 09:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
Rock masterpiece.
Final cut wasn't great though, and neither was the division bell.
― Roger Gilmour, Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:31 (twenty years ago) link
Great guitar solo nobody ever mentions: "Is There Anybody Out There?"
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 1 April 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link
― mike a, Thursday, 1 April 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago) link
"Congratulations. You have just discovered the secret message. Send your answer to Old Pink in care of the funny farm."
"Old Pink, Carolyn is on the phone."
― kickitcricket, Thursday, 1 April 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link
the drug that I can hear very very clearly in the Wall is coke
― veronica moser, Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:20 (three years ago) link
that was the surrogate band
― mookieproof, Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:25 (three years ago) link
this digression prob deserves it’s own thread? also i dunno that any of the suggestins so far are “like” Comfortably Numb but ilm thought exercises usually fly right over my headso i guess my own subtext here = kindly get off my lawn lol
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:36 (three years ago) link
― veronica moser
i think "animals" has a certain variety of cocaine paranoia as well; i wonder how much of the specific sound of "the wall" is just bob ezrin being bob ezrin
the thing that surprised me most when i revisited the wall a couple years back was how much _melody_ there is in it, given that pink floyd wasn't ever really a band to emphasize melody, and given that waters circa 1979 was not exactly a man possessed of superlative melodic gifts
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 30 April 2020 04:56 (three years ago) link
pink floyd circa 1977 = here's a five minute interlude of barking dogspink floyd circa 1979 = here's, i don't know, a fucking barbershop quartet or something. maybe we'll get bruce johnston to sing backup on it. that would probably sound good, right?
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 30 April 2020 04:59 (three years ago) link
The long pieces aren't melody-driven, but when they were writing self-contained songs from Meddle through The Wall, they were very tuneful. Not a lot of choruses, now that I think about it, but lots of beautiful singable verses.
What I don't like about Water's later years is that, starting with The Final Cut (although I think it works on that album), his melodies got more and more fragmented--Pros & Cons especially is almost a collage of tune bits and abandoned ideas, without the flow he used to have.
― Hideous Lump, Thursday, 30 April 2020 05:22 (three years ago) link
X-post
Well yeah, Animals is all about texture over melody.
― Hideous Lump, Thursday, 30 April 2020 05:24 (three years ago) link
ok i revisited this for the first time in 100 years and forgot how much i love "nobody home"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 3 May 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
side three is definitely my favorite, i get "vera" in my head all the time
lol the "tear down the wall" part of "the trial" followed up with "outside the wall" still really gets to me
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 3 May 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link
"when the tigers broke free" is ok but I wouldn't call it the top of this era
― akm, Sunday, 3 May 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
i would! one of waters' best songs. i love the final cut, whatever
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 3 May 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
Released 42 years ago today, evidently.
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link
I recently listened to this for the first time since I dunno 1990? And it is - pretty great? Like I wouldn’t chuck it on while doing the dishes or hosting a fondue party - but as a dedicated sit-down 4 sides of vinyl experience it was pretty rich. Sure Waters exudes unfun/regrettable vibes but if you embrace the ugliness of it then it’s pretty impressive. And the good song:shouty/oompah nonsense quotient is much better than I remembered.
Which, I dunno, I guess this thread probably is overall pro-Wall? But despite loving Floyd as a teen I was pretty strongly influenced by the UK music press heaping shit on this one and was surprised by how much I respected it!
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link
I am very pro-Wall, the storytelling & throughline still (mostly) hold up for me even if it is overangsty/dour etc.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:49 (two years ago) link
me too. the wall RULES
― skull. kneel. kneel. kneel. kneel. (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link
listened to it far too much as a lol teen but once every five years or so it still rules
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link
saw the film before I heard the album and I'm still disappointed about that big trial scene being another version & sounding so meh on the album
― StanM, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link
xp yeah i can't see myself going again for some time - it's a heavy listen
this time i found it productive to approach it as a period piece - like, that kind of pissy male vulnerability tumbling into self-obsession feels like it comes from the same historical moment as say The Singing Detective or the 1980s Martin Amis books
finding i am increasingly turning to this kind of ~~vibes~~ reading, where the inherent flaws of a work are compensated for by the degree it might nail a certain aesthetic or mindset of the time
anyway, Pink Floyd rules and The Wall does indeed also rule
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 22:52 (two years ago) link
not much of a Floyd fan, most of their albums fall into "I can see why people like it but it's not really my thing" territory but The Wall always seems to convince me that maybe I do really like Pink Floyd
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link
yep, The Wall rules
― Ste, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 23:07 (two years ago) link
I particularly prefer the movie rendition of Mother over the album version.
― Ste, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link
I liked The Wall a lot as a young person, but since then I feel most of the best stuff on it was done better on earlier Pink Floyd albums. I saw the Wall live show a few years back, and it seems Roger Waters stopped concentrating on being a conventional rock singer/songwriter after Animals and became a stage impresario. The theatrical live show really became the centre of his work.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 02:39 (two years ago) link
Yeah that part of the album is the pits. A lot of that last side is awful, but it does have "Run Like Hell." I can't sit through the whole thing, but at least half of it's really good.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link
AND THE WORMS ATE INTO HIS BRAIN
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 December 2021 04:06 (two years ago) link
veg girl
what has become of you?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 4 December 2021 04:50 (two years ago) link
how can you have any pudding if you don't yeet your schneef
― mookieproof, Saturday, 4 December 2021 05:17 (two years ago) link
does anybody else in here feel the way i do:D
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 December 2021 05:18 (two years ago) link
whenever i think i am tired of this album “Goodybe Blue Sky” tells me otherwise
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 December 2021 05:19 (two years ago) link
yuuuuuuup
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 4 December 2021 06:08 (two years ago) link
"Goodbye Blue Sky" was the highest placing (at #17) of three Wall tracks on my Pink Floyd Top 30 ILM Poll ballot.
The other two were "Another Brick, Part 1" and "Is There Anybody Out There?" at #'s 29 and 30. Putting "Is There Anybody..." on the list is more than a little challopsy, I'll admit. I definitely burned out on the big tracks from The Wall over the years, and it's interesting that I'm left preferring the 3 most melancholy songs.
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 4 December 2021 09:38 (two years ago) link
Goodbye Blue Sky was my number 8. Also had Young Lust on there, which must have been my attempt at challops or something.
― peace, man, Saturday, 4 December 2021 12:44 (two years ago) link
The "Records Revisited" podcast just did a two-plus hour episode on this album. It reminded me how much I love it.
I realize that your perception of this record may depend to a great degree on the context in which you discovered it. For me, it was the soundtrack to my middle adolescence (ages about 15-17). I can't separate it from that time, and it's one of the best associations I have with what was in general a pretty shitty time of my life.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 15:41 (seven months ago) link