― dleone, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― RW, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Billy Dods, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
i)late 70s/early 80s postpunk/no wave: Joy Division, Wire, PiL, Birthday Party, Bauhaus, Banshees, Swans, Lydia Lunch/Teenage Jesus & the Jerks, Sonic Youth, Neubauten (Can I add Branca?) (O)
ii)late 60s/early 70s cock rock: Iron Butterfly, Stooges, Zeppelin/Purple/Sabbath, Yes (C, O)
iii)60s New York minimalism: the whole La Monte Young/Theatre of Eternal Music scene (C)
iv)contemporary minimalist electronica: Ryoji Ikeda, Pan Sonic, Tactile, Immersion (C, most of what I know of O)
(What a modern Western question this is. The whole concept of scenes/periods/micro-genres is totally inapplicable to something like Karnatak music.)
― sundar subramanian, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1. Chain Reaction style 'Heroin House' [C = O] - Maurizio, Porter Ricks, Various Artists, Monolake, even Vladislav Delay.
2. Post-Punk 'Hardcore' - Black Flag, Minutemen, Saccahrine Trust, Swans, Sonic Youth, Bad Brains, Ut, DInosaur, Head of David, World Domination Enterprises, etc. etc.
3. 'Americana' - The Byrds, Dillard and Clark, Van Dyke Parks, Flying Burrito Bros, Beefheart, Millennium, Beach Boys, Dylan and The Band, even Big Star.
4. American 'Free Jazz' - Ornette Coleman, Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, Albert Ayler, Pharoah Sanders, Sun Ra, Archie Shepp etc.
5. Guitar Individualists - Derek Bailey, Sonny Sharrock, John Fahey, Keiji Haino, Takayanagi, Thurston Moore and Lee Renaldo, Rudolph Grey, Jim O'Rourke, Fred Frith, Hans Reichel, Loren Mazzacane Connors etc.
― Andrew L, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1. Golden Age Of Hip-Hop, 1986-1989 (O) Run DMC, Public Enemy, De La Soul
2. Proper Jungle, 1994-1996 (O) too many to mention
3. Memphis Soul, 1966-1969 (O) that MG's sound
4. 2-step, 1998-2001 (O) because I'm living NOW
5. P-funk, 1970 - 1983 (O) Parliafunkadelicment
― JoB, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
"'Member when computers in music were the next big thing? Well, now their big. And they're Fucking Up."
― Keiko, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I just found out Albert Hammond, father of the Strokes guitarist, wrote the Pipkins "Gimme Dat Ding". Wow
2) Post Beach Boys/Mamas & Papas Vocal Pop, late 60s: Spanky & Our Gang, Fifth Dimension, Jim & Jeanne, Free Design, We Five, Millenium, Sagittarius, Cowsills, Sunshine Company, Harper's Bizarre, loads of no hit wonders.
― Arthur, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Also see Detroit Raves/Electronic Music Circa 1994-97. Before Drugs and fashion became the most important thing at a party. When a Detroit party was something people traveled 10 hours by car to go to because Detroit had the best scene in the midwest. It was all about the music, and people were there to jack. See Packard Plant, Zoots Coffeehouse, GI Forum, St. Andrews, The Green Room, The Zone, a million warehouses, and Motor's early days. That was back when there seemed like there was momentum in this city.
2. Berlin Minimal Dub/Basic Channel: Maurizio, Pole, Arovane, Burial Mix, Vainquer, Fluxion, Porter Ricks...1992-1999 P.S. fuck "heroin house" that is a term used by people who got to the party 5 years too late. Don't be mislead by Simon Reynolds'isms. CO
3. Tamala/Motown 1961-1972(1972, The year they left Detroit, and they started to lose their soul) CO
4. shoegazer/post-punk(yeah, me too...) CO
5. Michigan Space Rock: Monaural, Tomorrowland, Fuxa, Windy and Carl, 12 Second Dynasty, Auburn Lull, Mahogany... Southeastern Michigan 1992-1995. This scene was a big "S" Looking back the records were not all that great, but it represented a time of youth and innocence to me in my late teens. That whole scene was a lot of naive fun, before the business and scenesterism corrupted the pure beauty of music for me. SSS
6. Cologne Germany, 1997-2000. When the whole Kompakt/Profan/Kreisel/Klang minimal techno/house scene was at its creative peak. COS
― Michael Taylor, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Erm, I 'got' the phrase 'Heroin House' from an old Forced Exposure mailing list and thought it was a) funny and b) quite accurate. But obviously Michael I will in future seek yr validation before dropping any more 'genres'. Howabout the phrase "Elitist Scenester Snob" - is that OK with you?
― Andrew L, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― emil.y, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'm still trying to pick out the 5th: 50s/60s textural music? 60s electroacoustic?
Devo is not no wave! Jeez! What would new wave be then?
― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Does that make sense? Probably not, but y'know
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Just out of curiosity, how many of the "Heroin House" producers are actually involved in heroin? The answer is just none of the Hardwax crew are involved in junk.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0127/sotc.php
yet another example of why UK dance journalists and press have played the biggest role in wrecking dance music by dragging drugs into everything. I think using drug references to label dance music is just bad form, if for no other reason that it marginalizes the music.
I am a dance music snob, I see nothing wrong with that. If I hurt your feelings I must have said something that was on the money. Are you one of those people who got their BC/CR/BM/M tracks in the metal tins? ;)
― Michael Taylor, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
And no, my feelings could never be 'hurt' by someone who gives a flying fuck abt what format you bought a record in. Elitism and snobbery have done far more to 'marginalise' dance music than any amount of drug references; and besides, in the UK dance music IS the mainstream. It's only the anal collectors, clinging to their white labels and exclusive remixes, that still desperately want to keep it to themselves.
― Andrew L, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
MI space rock-wise, you certainly couldn't affix an 'S' to the first Monaural 12".
― Andy, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I have indulged in my fair share of controlled substances while dancing(although it was in my younger days.) From my perspective(and this is undoubtedly a Detroit predjudice,) people who associate drugs with music are generally considered ignorant and are to be looked down upon. It is an attitude that started in the 80's when Detroit had a serious crack problem, and the real cost of drug use in the inner-city reared it's head. Among many of the older Detroit producers and music community drugs are looked down upon, and that attitude still lingers to this day. The Music Institute did not even serve liquor.
as for Monaural, no doubt, but so many of those records have dated really badly. I still break out the Windy and Carl records occasionally.
― mike taylor, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tom, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Billy Dods, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'll admit it; my intro to Porter Ricks and Maurizio were those Macro Dub compilations from '96/'97, which most purists probably view as the equivalent of '70s K-Tel corporate rock comps. Eardrum = Robin Trower, right?
You were late to the party on those Robert Johnson 78s, and I'm assuming most of us here were. Does that mean our interest in him is somehow less valid?
― Andy, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tim, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― TC, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― g, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
1. lost generation/post-rock (UK division) - C,O2. UK garage 1997-2001 - C,O3. hardcore/jungle/d&b 1990-1997 - C,O4. post-punk blah blah - c,o5. metal - o,s
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 April 2003 04:47 (twenty years ago) link
1. Early Britpop, before Coldplay broke out; in other words, back when it was still under the heavy influence of David Bowie instead of Radiohead. Not like there's anything wrong with Radiohead, but there is something wrong with Chris Martin, the wanker.
Pulp, Suede, Manic Street Preachers. (C,O)
2. Trip-hop, before people started calling it "downtempo", and it became too attached to lite-house frippery, and lost all sense of texture beyond fluffy lounge compilation fodder.
Massive Attack, Portishead, Tricky. (C,0)
3. Shoegaze; I don't know quite enough about all of the bands in this genre to make categorical determinations, BUT what I've heard, I love.
Ride, Slowdive, My Bloody Valentine. (C,O)
4. Synth pop, the 80s leg, not the current and dubious revival, but the dark, depthful stuff that I got teased in high school for listening to. In other words, I'm not altogether interested in whatever they're doing in Brooklyn right now.
New Order, Depeche Mode, Gary Numan. (C,O)
5. Bleak and cerebral post-punk of the late 70s/early 80s variety. White-boy music that makes you want to shake your ass and cower in an airtight fallout shelter. Simultaneously. While wearing a denim jacket with Che Guevara pins on it.
Cabaret Voltaire, Gang of Four, Shriekback. (C, 0)
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― nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:51 (twenty years ago) link
1) pop (1300-current) (c,o,s)
― trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:54 (twenty years ago) link
― nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:56 (twenty years ago) link
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― danh (danh), Thursday, 13 January 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link