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You only gave it four stars! Ergo, you underrated it.

This album is EASILY on my top 100 of all time, probably in the top 10.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Polar bear" - groovy!

How great a line is "Have you seen my polar bear? / It's that white one over there"?

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hang on Ned - NORWICH?

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wasn't that where they were from originally? I'm wrong, corrections will be made.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Er, if I'm wrong, etc. Which is entirely possible.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it was Northwich

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thorry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've always thought the first couple of albums were sort of lightweight, and that they didn't really fill their own shoes until Up To Our Hips or the self-titled album.

Tim Burgess has always been my favorite singer to come out of that scene, though -- even more than Ian Brown. I'm sort of anxious to hear his solo record if it's ever finished.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I thought it had just been released?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'a man needs to be told'. absolutely fantastic song. great great singles band anyway (just looking, then, indian rope etc) but that track is like nothing they ever did before. the kind of track you'd least expect from them. sweet messsage, high pitced falsetto vocal, wondrous tune, ace use of paper and comb...christ where have you lot *been* ?

every hayta has to download 'a man needs to be told' at once !
only then can you say you definitely dont like them.

piscesboy, Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, has it? I haven't been keeping up I guess...

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic -- had an old casstte dub of Some Friendly and Stone Roses; yeah, i shredded it. Their sound is a bit dated - but it's still a great album; so's 97's Tellin' Stories.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Bought Between the 10th and 11th on a fluke, in my tinyhood (cause of Wierdo, initially). Not their best; I still blast Tellin Stories and irritate the neighbours. Seen them 3 times so far [incl. one of their last shows with Rob Collins]. Down to earth bunch of lads.

So, Classic.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Us and Us Only totally turned my head, hadn't paid any attention to them before (or since, really), but that album song for song flows really well.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh god, classic, definitely - the only band out of that whole Manchester scene (or indeed the whole 1996 blokerock scene) not to exude that whole air of offputting boorish masculinity and/or arsenumbing earnestness.

Of course, like most people in this country, I have only heard all the singles, but they're still great pop singles.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Then" is completely godlike and really is the best song off of the debut.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

give me back my brain!

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Up To Our Hips is brilliant from start to finish. Although I no longer own it :-(

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

this thread s a bloody nightmare.


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Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Really folks, they're horrible. Plodding 4th div dullards - and you know it really.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dr. C is being nice here.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I pity you both.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 14:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if they're 4th division who is 1st division in their league?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 14:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If you say Happy Mondays, I really pity you.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''I pity you both.''

same here dan.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i don't pity you i just hate you

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

with hate I grow stronger.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

See, that's why I'm going for the pity. Aw bless.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

bah.

well if you wanna like post-dylan cobblers then fine mista perry.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Happy Mondays are sooooo much better than the Charlatans it's not even funny.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Actually Ricky it is quite funny.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Happy Mondays

You know the person at work who *always* comes out with the most *obvious* jokes, always parrots the standard line on the issue of day, always gives you 'fun' advice like 'don't do anything *I* wouldn't do'? They're not hateful, quite amiable even, but ultimately.....you'd rather do anything than have to converse with them. Well that's the Charlatans. Standard issue. Ordinary. Does What It Says On The Tin. Fuck them.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

they are quite different bands for fuck's sake. the Charlatans basically started off sounding a between the Stone Roses and Inspiral Carpets, then made the organ their own before going more Dylany/Stonesy for the third album, ending up as more Oasis on 'Tellin' Stories'. dunno what you'd compare them to now but i quite liked what i heard of 'Wonderland' - yep even Tim's falsetto.

the Charlatans are nothing like that Dr C, you're thinking of Travis or Athlete perhaps.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Standard issue. Ordinary. Does What It Says On The Tin.

ah re-assurance and reliability...

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

does le pinefox like them?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Have you even heard "Then" recently? Or "You're Not Very Well"?

This is a context/ubiquity issue, isn't it? The Charlatans were never shoved down our throats over here and we weren't inundated with 800 bands doing the same thing unless we wanted to be, ergo some of us in the US have developed very different attitudes towards "the obvious targets".

Also, I think I can count the number of Happy Mondays album tracks that I've liked on two fingers, only I don't actually have any recollection of them. For a good long while Primal Scream and Happy Mondays were duking it out for Most Overrated Singles Band In The UK in my mind, but then I realized that outside of "Slip Inside This House" I thought that _Screamadelica_-era PS was irredeemable shit across the board.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

now you are being just as much a mentalist as the haterz Dan ;)

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the Charlatans are great, and they continue to release fantastic singles. Bless 'em.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''You know the person at work who *always* comes out with the most *obvious* jokes, always parrots the standard line on the issue of day, always gives you 'fun' advice like 'don't do anything *I* wouldn't do'? They're not hateful, quite amiable even, but ultimately.....you'd rather do anything than have to converse with them.''

the one charlatans fan i met was a very nice guy. he liked ocean colour scene, paul weller and so on but i conversed with him though i lost touch after college...for me its not to do with the fans but the music just relies so much on that organ and i never feel the others are contributing too much to the sound (this is from listening to a handful of singles, which after listening to them neevr encouraged me to go any further with it).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think the first album is all about the interplay between the organ and the rhythm section; neither one works without the other.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

**the Charlatans are nothing like that Dr C, you're thinking of Travis or Athlete perhaps**

No, I'm thinking of the Charlatans.

I think it is a context thing, Dan, but not an ubiquity thing. Certainly a very useless thing.I mean they're not vile like Primal Scream, they're just not....anything. A bit baggy, a bit Roses-y THEN whooo! Timmy discovers Blonde on Blonde and Sticky Fingers and we get a youth club version of The fucking Rolling Stones fronted by Booby Zimmertwat. I mean did we ever need them? Why aren't people more fucking critical? They didn't even come from Manchester properly. Hell - even the Inspiral Carpets were better.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I cannot fathom the vitriol you're levelling at _Some Friendly_ (that being the album I really know). I'm not a huge fan of the stuff I've heard after they stopped being baggy, but for at least one album I think they were amazing, certainly more consistent than PS, SR or HM.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 21:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm (maybe overly) harsh on bands that meekly follow the market and I(maybe over-)aggressively champion bands like HM who are different, unpredictable and awkward.

It's my way of weeding out the wheat from the chaff. The 'classic or dud' conundrum is how I have always viewed music. Snap decisions, good or bad, in or out. I don't want 'average'. I'll come down harder on 'average' than 'crap'. It's just my way - it's of no importance what I think anyway.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 8 November 2003 13:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so to you conventional, accessible pop rock with slight nods to indie, dance music and occasionally second-hand soul/blues is either a) average by definition i.e. too much of a diluted process or b) done much better by other bands than tha Charlatans (but who?)

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 8 November 2003 15:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not much interested in any kind of conventional, accessible pop-rock whatever it nods to, but I'm talking about the Charlatans here, not a general *thing*.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I had a friend in high school who liked the charlatans more than stone roses & happy mondays and I found it bizarre then and find it bizarre now. now it just seems odd that they are or were even mentioned in the same breath or that they actually got more press stateside at the time.

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
I'm downloading their new album, and so far all I can say is that "High Up Your Tree" is the most gorgeous song they've ever written.

turkey (turkey), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 02:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i agree with above 'then' is the best thing ever. i used to like them more when i thought 'the only one i know' was the stone roses. 'can't even be bothered' is probably better than that new song too. after the seocnd album they became the worst thing ever.

keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dr C is OTM throughout this thread. I quite like the eponymous album, or a couple of tracks off it at least, plus "Sproston Green", but apart from that they're shite.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

stevem otm

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm definitely not digging David Cross's new wig.

Turkey, Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Anyone hear Tim Burgess's version of Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)? He hits the notes pretty well IMO.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:53 (five years ago) Permalink

one for the sticker

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:08 (five years ago) Permalink

hah

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:14 (five years ago) Permalink

"one for the sticker" remains one of my favorite snarks of all-time, I don't think there's a context where it isn't hilarious

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:17 (five years ago) Permalink

so, at last we begin to learn about the long-term effects of ecstasy

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:24 (five years ago) Permalink

wait, is that last picture actually not David Cross in a wig? i swear i've only just realised

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:26 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah the David Cross thing is kind of uncanny

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:33 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

odd, acoustic versions of North Country Boy and The only one I know

but with new tunes

Mark G, Saturday, 23 June 2012 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink

on Sky's coverage on the IOW festival

Mark G, Saturday, 23 June 2012 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6F1cl5pwN0

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 16:54 (four years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Well this sucks. RIP Jon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23682282

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 10:52 (four years ago) Permalink

Very sad.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Totally sad.
Did an instore with them a week or so before the Philly gig where he collapsed - was a nice fella. Fine drummer too.

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 12:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, a damn shame. He was just the drummer for the band, great player, a little flair, never steamrolled over the band but worked with everyone just so.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:18 (four years ago) Permalink

At first I was like "that's sad" and now it keeps nagging at me and I'm starting to get really down about his death. Gonna listen to some more Charlatans and work through it, I guess. Rest in piece.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:45 (four years ago) Permalink

urm, PEACE.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah it's really sad, I've read a few things now from people that met him and said he was a great guy.

I decided to throw on a few of their albums today. Started with Between 10th and 11th and will go for the self titled next (probably my favourite) The first five albums are a great and totally underrated run of albums.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Up to Our Hips and the s/t are my favorites, and Between 10th and 11th is up there as well, but I've never spent as much time with Some Friendly. I'm doing that now.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:57 (four years ago) Permalink

I find Some Friendly a bit more dated in places but still a really enjoyable album. It's all about Sonic and Sprosten Green at the end, two of my favourite songs of theirs.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:03 (four years ago) Permalink

gah RIP

always been partial to Us & Us Only, some great drum parts on there

joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:06 (four years ago) Permalink

still amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoNbrkCQfcs

piscesx, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Yes! I should have added earlier Wonderland is another one of their great albums and A Man Needs to be Told is the highlight, it should have been a huge hit for them.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:07 (four years ago) Permalink

this is sad news, RIP.

going to play their self titled tomorrow, my favorite of theirs. just counted and i actually own nine albums and a few singles by them.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 05:39 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

the new album is dope.

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 04:05 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

God, I didn't hear a whisper about the album. Was just revisiting "Oh Vanity" (which is utterly great) and then found Modern Nature sitting on Spotify, like a forgotten Christmas present that suddenly turns up mid-year. Did anyone in the US write anything at all about this?

dlp9001, Saturday, 25 July 2015 00:09 (two years ago) Permalink

Tried to but my various pitches were turned down. Tim Burgess ended up following me on Twitter a while back -- very flattered, not sure why he did! -- so I've followed him in return and it seems like they've had a very good year of it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2015 00:17 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Can't stop won't stop

https://thecharlatans.lnk.to/DifferentDaysPR

The Charlatans have released their new single "Plastic Machinery," available now for download and streaming. The song is from the band's thirteenth album entitled Different Days, due out May 26, 2017 via BMG. Co-produced by Jim Spencer, the album was recorded at the band’s studio in Cheshire and features contributions from an array of friends... from Paul Weller and Johnny Marr to crime writer Ian Rankin and writer/actress Sharon Horgan.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 20:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fuckin' hell, this band are still going!?

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

The longest time they've ever been between albums has been three years. Most times it's been two, sometimes one.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:20 (eight months ago) Permalink


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