Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

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Riiight. There's an actual conspiracy to keep people from hearing songs with actual messages. Because record bosses like inflicting crap music on the listening public. And that's why Badu is a bestselling critic's darling. Riiiight. The establishment is quaking in its boots over this.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yeah, for real, like jill scott is this huge- selling megastar and badu is some starving artist or something. i'd say their popularity levels are pretty equal. anyway i sawerykah's last video on mtv, it was also an mtv news segment when the album came out.

ethan, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

you guys are in fucking denial.

chaki, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Erykah and Nu-Soul:

"On and On" was great. Subsequently releases have been progressively mediocre (funny how D'Angelo and Erykah have both nosedived considerably as the genre they helped create has risen in profile). Jill Scott is much better, 'cos she has actual tunes, delightful voice and relatively nice production. Angie Stone should be a house diva, not an R&B diva. Musiq Soulchild is forgettable. India.Arie = too far pleased with herself.

Tim, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Its called 'The Mammy Syndrome' and its exactly what Miles hated about Satchmo

If Miles actually said that about Louis Armstrong, he's an even bigger idiot than I thought he was, and you're an even bigger idiot than him for going along with that nonsense.

BTW, unlike TimF I think that Erykah Badu and D'Angelo have improved a lot since their debuts.

Patrick, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"It's called 'The Mammy Syndrome' and its exactly what Miles hated about Satchmo."

Ooh, two top lies in one small sentence. a. Miles hated Satchmo = rubbish, because he workshipped him and never stopped saying so. b. Satchmo as Uncle Tom = typical latecome look-at-me advertorial by young soon-to-be-sellouts manipulatively presenting THEIR industry-friendliness as some species of Radical Cultural Politics. Armstrong = most revolutionary American artist of 20th century in all art-forms (by some way).

Destiny's Child = second. (OK, I'm joking. Fourth.)

mark s, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Eh. In his autobiography Miles does say he hated that about Armstrong, despite loving the guy's music/the guy.

But this bullshit about you-chumps-are-in-denial-blah-blah is still bullshit.

Josh, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(His "auto"biography which is unfortunately a glaringly obvious example of me-here-now get-with-whitey-by-being-badaass... unfortunate because a full-on truth-telling non-games-playing miles, tho self-evidently more vulnerable to all sorts of whatever, would have delivered a much more important book...)

mark s, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Miles an ee-diot, oh Eggshell-wearer? That's not what I heard. Autobiography = fine, just could've used a bit more 73-75 in there.

Omar, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pinning black artists with duty to "represent" for the entire race = dud.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

although i've sadly been guilty of it in the past, accusing cheerful and nonthreatening black artists of being uncle toms = also dud, and subtle promotion of racial segregation.

ethan, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah Mark, that autobiography.

Josh, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

>Pinning black artists with duty to "represent" for the entire race = >dud.

I agree! The music industry does it all time! To say they don't and i'm crazy for thinking so is seriously pathetic. When Ms. Badu first came out she was critically acclaimed and recieved lots of airplay. As she progressed as an artist her views and music became more radical. The american press and radio pretty much pushed her aside. The record company didn't publisize her last record in the states at all. Now that her head is shaved and she's talking hardcore black power, she is a complete nobosy as far as the buisness is concerned. Fortunatly she can still pack an arena so she can still make hers. Bling Bling. Oh and Miles did say that about Satchmo.

chaki, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Omar - As a musician/performer, Miles = genius. As a person, he appeared to have some, shall we say, attitude problems, the anti-Armstrong quote being a prime example of the bullshit he was capable of.

Patrick, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thats not true.. Mention Louie's name around any average human being and the image of a laughing fat black man will appear in their head. Its the only way the public would accept him.

chaki, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Go away and ACTUALLY FIND SOMETHING OUT ABOUT ARMSTRONG, his life and his achievement, then come back to discuss this, Chaki. You have no real right to cop attitude abt the igorance and/or racism of the industry or the public as long as YOU make no more effort than you're saying THEY do. Miles probably did say what you said he did about Armstrong in his book: which is a rubbishy and a dishonest book (by a great player).

mark s, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Chaki, I appreciate that you've got some strongly-held beliefs, but I would really like to give you a FEROCIOUS BITCHSLAP for implying that the fact that I like Jill Scott makes me a white racist. I'd also like to point out that I said I liked BOTH Jill Scott AND Erykah Badu, NOT that Jill Scott was BETTER than Erykah Badu.

Using me to go off on a misdirected rant = DUD.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Once again, self-righteous, sanctimonious dud,...as is India.Arie. Yawn. Next?

alex in nyc, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

sorry dan. didnt mean it as a personal jab.

chaki, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No sweat.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

baduizm - classic. mama's - nowhere near as great, but good.

saw her on wednesday at manchester apollo -she asked the crowd "y'all wanna throw y' hands in the air and scream y' own name?" and then everybody (everybody!) did just that.

you didn't get that on radiohead's tent tour i'll tells y' that.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Radiohead sucks. Period. There is no 'revolutionary art' in either OK Computer or Kid A. It is trash. It really is. I'm tired of all those damn psuedo-intelegencia music fans that think they know the shit, and think Radiohead is at the height of Avant-Garde. Dumb asses.
--T

T. Watts, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 08:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
I don't know how to follow that last post up, but I'll try.

"Love of My Life" has the honour of being the first track that I regret not hearing in time for a best of 2002 list. It's not the first hip-hop nostalgia song, but it's the first one I've heard that really gives a feeling of what it's like to grow up with hip-hop ("I met him when I was a lttle girl...") And then Common genderfucks the personification, and even gives the gangstas their due (aside: is Electric Circus any good?) If the track lacks harsh words to say about its subject, that's not the purpose of odes.

Nice orchestral/kitchen appliance/something sound FX too. Anyone know who produced this - Erykah, or someone else?

B.Rad (Brad), Thursday, 9 January 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

The more i read this post. the more i think that " Pretentious, odious and reactionary and self righteous" have become the new racial code words for african american artists who dont fit in any neat racial boxes.

I dont know where to start, this is crass racial paternalism at it's most disgusting.

robert lashley (brotherman), Thursday, 9 January 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago) link


"I dont know where to start, this is crass racial paternalism at it's most disgusting."


.....or perhaps it's simply a difference of opinion.

Motel Hell (vassifer), Friday, 10 January 2003 01:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Badu is great on a sound level (the voice, often matched to complementary, if not always perfect, sounds), at least interesting (if not intriguing) on a writing level, and pretty good on a persona level (she's nice and thoughtful). Baduizm seems like her 'testament' album. I like the live one a good but, maybe because the extra space in her music gets filled by some good jazzy stuff from her band (tho it's a little too smooth in sound/style), and I love the part when she raps. Mama's Gun probably has the most substance. Humble Mumble is one of my favorite Stankonia tracks, tho that's not just about her obviously. But I feel like there's always something missing just a little bit in all of her stuff. Part of her appeal is her ability to float on top of her music, but sometimes she drifts away.

gabbneb, Friday, 10 January 2003 08:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...

one of the best artists of the last ten years.

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 18 November 2007 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Finally:

Erykah Badu revealed the new title of her fourth album, "Nu AmErykah," to a small room of fans in New York's Electric Lady studios last Thursday (Dec. 6). The set is due Feb. 26 via Universal Motown.

In reference to the prior provisional title, "Kabbah," Badu says that that name was never final and that she prefers to wait and title her albums once they're finished.

"I named this album 'Nu AmErykah' because I'm dealing with whatever is to come instead of what was," said Badu, decked out in jeans, a red kimono and her trademark afro. "In taking on a project like this, I'm taking the responsibility to talk for my race and my planet. I'm sure the record company will make their money and they've given me the blessing of time."

Badu's last EP, "Worldwide Underground," arrived in 2003 without much fanfare, but it still sold 609,000 copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan. "I didn't feel like doing the whole promotional circuit for that record," she admitted. "I'd just had a baby."

Making up for lost time, "Nu AmErykah" includes 18 songs that will be spread over two separately sold discs. The first single, "Honey," was produced by 9th Wonder and the '70s soul-tinged "Soldier 7" may be the follow-up track.

"We've waited almost 10 years for this album to come," said Universal executive vice president and Motown president Sylvia Rhone. "She inspires, sets trends and does music that no one's done before. Male, female, black white can listen to her and come away with something."

Here is the track list for "Nu AmErykah":

"American Promise"
"The Healer"
"Me"
"My People"
"Speech"
"Soldier 7"
"The Cell"
"Twinkle"
"Love Me"
"Honey"
"Emotions"
"Don't Be Long"
"YPOM"
"Hot Slow Jam"
"Jump Up in the Air"
"Loretta Brown"
"Dirty Dirty"
"The Healer Outro"

The Brainwasher, Monday, 10 December 2007 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link

release date?

Jordan, Monday, 10 December 2007 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Feb. 26th

The Brainwasher, Monday, 10 December 2007 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link

awes

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2007 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link

i love her.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 10 December 2007 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link

...and I still haven't fucking heard Mama's Gun. WTF?

The Reverend, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 04:53 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

that is so awesome

stevie, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I have to say, I still think she's quite high on herself and quite possibly nuts, but her music has grown on me -- and most of my favorite artists are damn high on themselves and entirely nuts anyway.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 24 January 2008 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link

'Otherside of the Game' is a very pretty song.

chap, Thursday, 24 January 2008 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Worldwide Underground has really grown on me, I love that shit.

Jordan, Thursday, 24 January 2008 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

'The Healer' on YouTube.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

That's good.

chap, Thursday, 24 January 2008 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah. I was worried that there wouldn't be any weird/playful shit on this album, just boring "soulful" beats.

Jordan, Thursday, 24 January 2008 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Badu caters to the record geeks in her video for "Honey":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJt5ADHzIY

Can YOU name all the albums?

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 14 February 2008 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link

the only ones i didnt know were the diana ross one and the rufus+chaka one.

pipecock, Thursday, 14 February 2008 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

nice video. she looks pretty hot doing the ohio players sleeve.

titchyschneiderMk2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 11:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I still think she's quite high on herself and quite possibly nuts

This album will remove any doubt on the latter proposition. Whoa!

Eric H., Friday, 22 February 2008 06:53 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah this shit is crazy. "The Cell"!!! WOW.

The Brainwasher, Friday, 22 February 2008 08:15 (sixteen years ago) link

"Soldier" & "Telephone" are wicked as well... can't wait to buy this on tuesday.

The Brainwasher, Friday, 22 February 2008 08:16 (sixteen years ago) link

this is hotness

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 22 February 2008 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link

"The Cell" and "Master Teachers" are both !!!!!!!!!!!

Eric H., Friday, 22 February 2008 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Honestly, "Honey" at the end of the album after all this can't help but sound a little meh.

Eric H., Friday, 22 February 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link

this is probably heresy but her debut is probably my least favourite of hers. still a good album, it's just that all the others do more i love

ufo, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 02:30 (two years ago) link

if worldwide underground is her best work, we really are on the way out as a species.

― things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 3:09 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Is Austin our Worst Poster

xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 02:37 (two years ago) link

Not at all. It's her least impressive, but only compared to what followed.

xpost

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 02:38 (two years ago) link

Granted I'm a bit contrarian on Erykah but there are definitely times I think WWU is her best.

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 07:14 (two years ago) link

it has some of her best moments at the very least

ufo, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 07:29 (two years ago) link

Saw her live in 2019 and I Want You was probably the highlight

nashwan, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 08:57 (two years ago) link

I'd love to see her play live again.

It's been too long since she released anything.

I still wish she'd press up her Tiny Desk Concert, that performance is sublime.

Baduism is, in places, fantastic - Next Lifetime, Otherside Of The Game. It's just been surpassed by everything else she's done.

The live album that followed Baduizm is pretty poor - lots of covers. Especially considering how sublime a live performer she's been for the last two decades.

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 09:05 (two years ago) link

Is Austin our Worst Poster

― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:37 PM

idk. i'll ask him what he thinks and get back to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWCYjTVYt4k

this and that super long version of "next lifetime" are worth it i think. i like the covers on it fine, but it was probably a mistake to put out a live album that quickly before she had established much of a repertoire. also i liked "tyrone." it was silly, but that was the point.

i will say one nice thing about worldwide underground: the initial vinyl copy that i had (purchased on release date lol) sounded fantastic. i don't know much about mastering processes or whatever, but i did notice a (decidedly worse) difference with the cd. i probably played it a lot more than it deserved just because the music sounded so vibrant coming out of my stereo; especially side one. that and i like "i want you." the buildup is great and it was a mixtape and djing favorite at the time.

be very interested to know the story behind this (though it sounds fairly meh based on the snippets there).

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link

Tyrone is boss, for sure.

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 16:39 (two years ago) link

Saw her live in Jan 2020 at the bahidora festival. She was an hour late and idk if most of the crowd weren’t aware of her music and how important she actually is but she seemed disconnected from the crowd and viceversa.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 16:59 (two years ago) link

I saw her in 2010 and she was on time, fantastic and locked in the entire night. Terrific show.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 17:03 (two years ago) link

Seen her twice i think? Late both times by at least an hour and absolutely slayed both shows.

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2021 02:02 (two years ago) link

the old unplugged episode with the roots is so fucking good

brimstead, Thursday, 30 September 2021 02:05 (two years ago) link

wait maybe it wasn’t the roots. sorry, stoned

brimstead, Thursday, 30 September 2021 02:07 (two years ago) link

I saw her do a STELLAR show at the Brixtno Academy, super-intense version of Green Eyes, and she hits that penultimate long note at the end, and is just spent, and everything goes silent, and she's just stood there, in the moment, wrung out, feeling it, everyone in the room is feeling it, this moment of like, "Just feel the dust falling, the heaviness", absolute silence,

And then this incredibly drunken, off-key voice from the audience croons out, "Baaaa-aaaa-aaag laaaa-aaaa-aaaa-dy!", and she just dissolves into hysterics, and the whole room erupted into laughter, and it was just this wonderful thing where the tension had risen to dizzying levels, and this relief that followed it. It was one of my favourite concerts ever.

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Thursday, 30 September 2021 09:06 (two years ago) link

Oh man, I hope something similar happens at my concert in October!

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:51 (two years ago) link

I've seen her live two or three times. One was behind Mama's Gun and she killed it. Another time was ... I forget when, but all I remember is 15 minutes of her doing pilates.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:09 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

She gave a basically straightforward concert in Minneapolis last night, but damn that's all I needed from her. Fantastic, fun and breezy ... AND she did "I Want You" interpolated with "Don't Stop the Music"!

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link

I heard 'the healer' for the first time in years recently and reminded it was so ahead of if it's time, conceptually and sonically. This is a cool live version.dope!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuObEg9A2Ew

Swanswans, Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:28 (two years ago) link

i might put the healer on a top 500 songs of all time list

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 October 2021 01:33 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

sunday afternoons + slow jams 101. not really a song i've ever grown tired of. ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxITI3A2KWA

"next lifetime" (1997)

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 22 May 2022 18:36 (one year ago) link

super sustained vibe on the long live version from the only official live album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M05KLHZYOpg

probably one of the defining artists of my life. love her so much.

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 22 May 2022 18:42 (one year ago) link

so good, playing it now - thanx for the reminder!

butt-mooning is a polysemous word, hoss! (breastcrawl), Sunday, 22 May 2022 18:43 (one year ago) link

welp, guess it's afternoon somewhere. close enough.

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 22 May 2022 18:46 (one year ago) link

it ain’t that type of party

butt-mooning is a polysemous word, hoss! (breastcrawl), Sunday, 22 May 2022 19:08 (one year ago) link

or in other words: I can’t make sense of your last post.

butt-mooning is a polysemous word, hoss! (breastcrawl), Sunday, 22 May 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link

sunday afternoons + slow jams 101.

― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, May 22, 2022 11:36 AM

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:11 (one year ago) link

time once again making fools of us all. wish it was the other way around. next lifetime, right?

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:13 (one year ago) link

seeing her again in August in Brooklyn, i think this is the fourth time? pretty excited.

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 June 2022 21:50 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Ms. Erykah Badu (a.k.a. @fatbellybella) is giving us a show at @RaviniaFestival tonight.

Here she is performing:

“Otherside of the Game”

🎥: @Waldens_Block // The TRiiBE pic.twitter.com/zF0rsQTvfT

— The TRiiBE (@TheTRiiBE) September 12, 2022

The self-titled drags (Eazy), Monday, 12 September 2022 03:09 (one year ago) link

brooklyn set was, unsurprisingly noteworthy for her going on about two hours late and for it being fucking great

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Monday, 12 September 2022 05:03 (one year ago) link

Wish she'd make another record soon, she's the very best

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 12 September 2022 08:35 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

here's something i missed―
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1b4Spy9VRQ

rc + the gritz feat eb - "leave me alone" (2013)

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 7 April 2024 00:11 (one week ago) link


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