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Ned, you're funny even when you're disagreeing with me.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 07:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

"New Year's Day" is utterly brilliant, coming from someone who doesn't own a single U2 album. It totally puts to shame anything by silly bands who seem to get more respect here like the Cure or the Bunnymen. The rhythm section maintains an urgent rush while The Edge superimposes layer upon layer of guitar texture, ultimately that simple unforgettable minor-key melody that rings ominously over the whole track. Bono sometimes leaves me cold but his voice is almost terrifying in its emotion on here. The choruses and the "say it's true/we can break through" moment are positively heartrending. By tying a political tragedy to personal anxiety, he's able to achieve a poignancy that "Sunday Bloody Sunday" misses, for example.

"Beautiful Day" was a good single also. It's uplifting, almost like a postpunk Boston in a weird way. The guitars shimmer and Bono's off-key rambling is more effective than that of any indie slacker.

U2 was probably an improvement on postpunk because they weren't miserable all the time and weren't afraid to be a rock band. They managed to be serious without being glibly cynical. It's also impressive that they haven't shied away from sonic experimentation even on their most popular work. If they weren't so popular and enduring, the Edge would probably get much more respect than Keith Levene or Bernard Sumner even from the dourest British music press hipster. He's certainly more versatile and accomplished.

Bruce Springsteen is handsome in the "Dancing In the Dark" video.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bruce Springsteen is a great live show. He comes across well in interviews. I think his heart is in the right place.
Bono had the balls to stand up to the reactionary elements of the IRA movement and plead for an end to voilence. In front of an irish american crowd. Kudos. And he sang "or leave a bad taste in your mouth" with a straight face.
The clash? They never annoyed me.

kevin brady (groeuvre), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

i heart sundar

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

i like achtung baby quite a bit!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Broooooooooce is the only man who could dress up in a video like a mechanic covered in grease and not look homosexual.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

i unashamedly LOVE a lot of what The Clash and U2 have done, Bruce less so but 'Hungry Heart' gets me every time - its the harmonica maybe, and 'Glory Days' reminds me of being 8 and wishing i could be in the E Street Band hahah

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

from ILM's 100 fave albums...

46. Clash - London Calling London Calling
39. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

i.e. i didn't realise the clash and springsteen were THAT hated on ILM.

also, thats supposed to say London Calling, not London Calling London Calling

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

All three have made good records. One of them, maybe two, have made *really* good records.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay, Tom, lets not be shy and evasive. Which two have made reaaallly good albums, and what albums are those?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

None of them have made a good album LC; I didn't say that.

(Actually Bruce may well have)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

catty catty

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Clash

I cannot listen to "The Magnificent Seven" without achieving perma-grin.

U2

I absolutely love singing along with their songs whilst completely hammered.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

All three of them have done good things outside the actual music. Bono's work on the debt issue has made a massive impact, Bruce helps out workers' organisations wherever he goes (such as the miners when he was touring the UK in the 80s) and Joe Strummer did benefits for a variety of causes throughout his whole career.

Musically, 'Zoo Station', 'Thunder Road' and 'Janie Jones' are all great ways to start an album.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

All three of them have done good things outside the actual music.

I admit, I always hate this argument. Someone could be the nicest person in the whole person and still be completely and utterly horrific when it comes to any more of artistic expression. In which, good on ya, but I won't have yer stuff in the house.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

b-b-b-but this is the "say something nice" thread, Ned!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Broooooooooce is the only man who could dress up in a video like a mechanic covered in grease and not look homosexual.

Take note, Billy Joel.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I admit, I always hate this argument. Someone could be the nicest person in the whole person and still be completely and utterly horrific when it comes to any more of artistic expression. In which, good on ya, but I won't have yer stuff in the house.

Fair enough, Ned, I wouldn't normally use it to justify actually listening to their records. And I'd rather listen to an utter c*nt like Jerry Lee Lewis than, say, Tracy Chapman. But as nickalicious says, it is the say something nice thread.

So can you find something begrudgingly nice to say about Bruce to go with your U2 and Clash comments?

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hell, I like The Boss; one of the only of those "earnest American everyman"-style songwriters whose material, rather than making me cringe (see: Mellencamp, Seger, etc.), actually makes me feel inspired.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Clash are the odd men out here with all their records released over a long-ago 5 yr period (I think that's right loosely 77 - 82, and yeah revisionistly cutting Cut The Crap crap) and a dead guy onboard and they were the only ones to really call themselves Punk so they definitely have a leg up in the mythos dept. Bruce is - despite perceptions of him as a one dimensional cutout gas station attendent - actually more of a bowie-type who reinvents himself from time to time (see dave q's legendary bowie-boss thread) but more importantly the author of not just the humble and instantly likeable Nebraska but also stuff that almost out-Spectored Spector like Rosalita and Born To Run. "Teenage Symphonies To God" indeed sir. U2 were obv more in line with the new year, new model approach though they've really only had 3: earnest young idealists, earnest young back-to-the-roots music afficianados and aged decadent pop stars. funnily, the clash outdid them on the first 2 and didn't stick around for the third. and also oddly enough their most touching stuff like "one" and "beautiful day" came from the third period.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Clash -- I like that they refused to play at their recent R&R Hall of Fame induction because the show wouldn't be open to the general public.

U2 -- I like that they forever established Red Rocks as a premiere venue.

Bruce Springsteen -- I like that he continues to excite and involve his audience; but mainly for Little Steven's role in The Sopranos.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

This may be a strange question, but, um, do any of the dudes in U2 have children?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

bono definitely has kids, i think they all do actually.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh and DAVE Q to thread

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the Clash all right, but I don't listen to them.

Springsteen is...a bad rock musical for people who don't really like rock and roll or something, I hate him.

I also hate U2, except for the song "Even Better Than the Real Thing."

Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

"The Unforgettable Fire" is great.

rex jr., Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bruce Springsteen has mad chesthair. I bet Van Zandt rubs it backstage for good luck.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like all of those artists.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Asbury Park is named after the Methodist preacher Francis Asbury

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

So can you find something begrudgingly nice to say about Bruce to go with your U2 and Clash comments?

It's incredibly nice not to have to listen to him. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've never understood the disdain so many punkers and new wavers have for Springsteen. He's plays solid, unpretentious rock and roll, seems like a nice guy and isn't full of himself. Do they hate him merely because of his top-40 status, his money or his fans?

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Really, we should be trying to say something good about Sigur Ros, Westlife and Coldplay, shouldn't we?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Feel free to start a new thread. (Most of those acts are obscure to Yanks, though.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do they hate him merely because of his top-40 status, his money or his fans?

One could also hate the music, you realize. Or have I missed the 'you are born unto the human race, therefore you are genetically programmed to like Springsteen' dictum?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

No. But I see no reason to be ashamed if you do like him. He's not, say, Barry Manilow, GG Allin, Billy Joel or Billy Ray Cyrus. Anyone liking them would, to me, be very suspect.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

what the hell? Billy Joel is great!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Watch what you say. Joe Strummer is dead so can't defend himself, Bono will get all political on your ass and as for The Boss? Those canoes are damn heavy out of the water. You have been warned!

mei (mei), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 19:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Really, we should be trying to say something good about Sigur Ros, Westlife and Coldplay, shouldn't we?

Well, Westlife I've never heard, and Coldplay, well, their music doesn't inspire nausea in me, so that's positive.

Sigur Ros, now there's a band I'm full of positive things to say about. Instead of prattling them all off, I'll just say I'm quite looking forward to seeing them live next month in LouEVIL.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bruce Springsteen seems like a nice guy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

what the hell? Billy Joel is great!

He's up against the wall when the time comes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

what the hell? Billy Joel is great!

He and Elton John's absurdly expensive-concert-ticket is playing in my town tonight. Woo hoo!

(I'll be rehearsing. Thank goodness.)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Springsteen's "Racing in the Street" might be the saddest rock song ever. I really love Bruce, particularly his work through The River. The Clash I adore, but U2 I can't say much about, other than "One" is gorgeous.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Trying to get it on with Bono wailing in my ear would kill the mood.

Disagree. Remarkably, I lost an important bit of my virginity with U2's "So Cruel" in the background, and now whenever I hear it I go all odd.

Wow, I can count the number of people who wanted to know that, on no hands.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think they all have good intentions.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

They are MELODIC!!!!!!!!!!!!

man, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I see no reason to be ashamed if you do like him (Springsteen). He's not, say, Barry Manilow, GG Allin, Billy Joel or Billy Ray Cyrus. Anyone liking them would, to me, be very suspect."
Thank you, Lord. That's my point, which Ned obviously missed. Many of my friends are positively shocked, even appalled, to find out that I like the guy's music. Why this should be, I don't know. They can't explain their reasoning, either. Maybe it's because they think I abhor anything that gets played on commercial radio (which is only partly true).
Hey, I'm rooting for any band I like to make it big. Of course, it still sucks that I won't be able to see the White Stripes in my favorite club again.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've heard they all might save the world, especially Bono.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

what the hell? Billy Joel is great!
"Bah. Don't like him. Not rhytmic enough."

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Really, we should be trying to say something good about Sigur Ros, Westlife and Coldplay, shouldn't we?

sorry, buddy, no can-do re this request. can't do it w/ westlife 'cause i've never heard a note of their music. clodplay is boring and derivative. and sigur ros is so beyond-the-capacity-of-language awful that they're almost evil.

i unreservedly love the clash -- though i don't listen to them an awful lot these days. i esp. love their fucked-up take on reggae -- their version of "police and thieves" remains one of my all-time favorites.

re U2: used to love the eighties stuff when i was a teenager in those days; i still don't hate it (and props to sundar re "new years day") but i also don't listen to that stuff an awful lot any more. achtung baby and zooropa are masterpieces. the more i think of it, the only completely and irredeemably awful U2 album is rattle and hum (a/k/a boring and dumb) -- though the "am i buggin' ya?" spiel is admittedly good for a smirk.

re Springsteen: the only three of his records i unreservedly love are the wilde, the innocent, and the e-street shuffle, nebraska and tunnel of love. i sorta like greetings from asbury park -- i am fond of the ten-pounds-of-potatoes-in-a-five-pound-bag approach he had to singing and lyrics that he had on that one and e-street (the latter is funky as a mofo). the rest i pick and choose -- "born to run," "candy's room," "the river" are great singles. ultimate "i respect him and his music but don't necessarily like his music" artist.

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't think ILM was anti-Springsteen at all: the C/D thread was fairly positive on the whole, as I remember. Maybe not that positive if you compare it to the tone of the coverage Bruce gets from, say, Rolling Stone, but it's not overwhelming by any means.

Really, the same goes for the Clash. It's just that the negative remarks tend to stick out in the mind.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:04 (twenty years ago) link

U2 do admittedly get a rather rough time around here. (I'm not exactly a fan, tho I much prefer them to even more sacred cow REM)

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:05 (twenty years ago) link

I suspect alot of the abuse is really about one of two things:
1) Bono is a jackass.
2) Either be "Sincere" or "Ironic"; you are not permitted to DO BOTH.

I loved them passionately all the way up to Pop. Then I disowned them. But I still get annoyed when they are attacked for what, to me, sounds like lemming-like, fashionable trendoid reasons. (ie: "Dadrock")
I also noticed that the ILM Americans(a) seem to be neutral where the ILM Brits(b) seem to be virulently Anti-U2. Hmmmm.

(a) = I mean the posters who I suspect are American
(b) = I mean the posters who I suspect are British

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:38 (twenty years ago) link

rattle and hum (a/k/a boring and dumb)

also known as 'prattle & hmm', shuely?!

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

True. That album would've made a great EP though, if they cut out half the studio tracks and ALLLLL the live stuff, it could've been salvaged.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
sorry, buddy, no can-do re this request. can't do it w/ westlife 'cause i've never heard a note of their music. clodplay is boring and derivative. and sigur ros is so beyond-the-capacity-of-language awful that they're almost evil.

i was wrong, and i changed my mind ... i now like coldplay. even though they aren't very original. but they're nice and i like their music.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 03:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't care how fucking un-hip it is or whatever I really enjoy a lot of Springsteen's stuff, Rosalita, pretty much everything on Nebraska, etc.

And I like the Clash a lot too... Magnificent 7, train in vain, a bunch of the album tracks on london calling, white man in hammersmith palais, etc.

djdee2005, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 03:36 (nineteen years ago) link

And yeah I like some individual U2 tracks a lot too - New Years Day, Bad .... some stuff on Achtung Baby.

djdee2005, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm really glad that i like bruce springsteen so much

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I love the Clash. Their first album is pretty damn untouchable.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 05:14 (nineteen years ago) link

U2 is still sort of my favorite band. And the Clash are great. Bruce should just leave his well-written songs to people with better production and less annoying music, Nebraska and "Racing in the Streets" aside.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I brought two U2 discs to work today, just because. I don't really listen to them that much, unless they're forced on me, but I really like "In a Little While" and I have fond memories of Achtung Baby. I put in All That You Can't Leave Behind first thing, and didn't get past track three. I mean, I guess I can see how an otherwise intelligent person might rock out to "a MOLE! in a HOLE! like your SOUL!" -- okay, I lied. I really don't see that at all.

Achtung Baby, on the other hand, surprised me all over over again. Very good album. Bono turns the self-righteous down to almost zero and the bad rhymes down to a totally tolerable 4, and lets the production, riffs, and melodies do all the work. It's not like it's deep or anything, unless you're aching to hear that love is for sharing, sex is dirty, and Bono is "ready." But damnit, I was able to listen to the record and actually *like* it. A breakthrough U2 day for me.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 05:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to give this a go!

Bruce Springsteen:  "Dancing in the Dark" is a glorious moment for the '80s, both song- and video-wise. "I'm On Fire" is one of the most spine-tinglingly gorgeous songs around. "Glory Days" is a fantastic sing-along song. When I was a teenager, I adored "Tunnel of Love".

The Clash:  Combat Rock is awesome. "White Man in Hammersmith Palais" is awesome. "Lost in the Supermarket" is awesome. "Janie Jones" is awesome. "Guns of Brixton" is awesome. "Clash City Rockers" is awesome. Need I go on?

U2:  I used to be a huge fan of theirs. The Unforgettable Fire was one of the albums I played most often back around 1992 - 1993. I was always bothered by how every single music criticism I read concerning them seemed to be full of adoration, but at the same time my # 1 favorite musical artist (need I mention... ?) was constantly getting slammed by these same critics, but I never really let that stop me from being a fan of theirs up until sometime late last year, when I saw that even those music writer-type people (including people from around here) who will swear up and down that they love Duran Duran don't really seem to love them when it matters, and I kept on seeing nothing but adoration all over the damn place when it came to U2, so I stopped listening to them full stop. I haven't picked up a single U2 album in about a year. And I would like to love them again, but that would mean I would join a chorus I don't want to be a part of.

Oh wait.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 05:34 (nineteen years ago) link

(And yes, it does seem as though I will always be a Duran apologist. This will never leave me. *shrug* Someone's got to do it, though.)

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
They are all brilliant, and all way better than the hip-hop, disco and R&B crap that most ILM regulars waste their time listening to.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

2006: the year Geir got serious about pop music

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently, the Edge has all the Anthrax albums. This kinda amazed me.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

He has a billion dollars, he could own the skeletons of the Thompson Twins too.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought this was the thread to say nice things about Ned.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I did, too.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link


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