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"Sam Wollaston
Wednesday January 3, 2007
The Guardian


Here's a scene. You're looking along your collection of CDs, or shuffling through your playlist, trying to find that new Lady Sovereign album or whatever. But you stumble across something else, something from 10 years ago - the Fugees, say."

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link

OTM

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Sam Wollaston would then go on to mention how his "friend" really likes that Fugees album.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link

who's your least favourite man hack? (you can't vote for yourself)

That senile dribbling cunt with his own column in the Guardian weekend magazine.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Or Artrocker Comedy Racism Man

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link

that article i posted up thread is i think what john harris perecives his "controversial" articles to read like.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link

SW will never spend any real money or time on "that new (some say only) Lady Sovereign album" or, indeed, "whatever."

That senile dribbling cunt with his own column in the Guardian weekend magazine.

Cue stock that's no way to talk about Zoe Williams gag.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Alison Graham doesn't have a Wikipedia entry. And Dom Passantino does.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Philip Annoyman (Ferg), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Where are the standards of today, I ask you.

I don't have a Wikipedia entry either.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Thursday, 20:00
Radio Ha Ha

Radio 4 turns over the airwaves to solid gold laughter, as Steve Punt joins up with a host of stars, backstage movers and industry shakers from the comedy industry with a two-hour special.

Variety shows and radio were the traditional routes to comedy fame and fortune, but what about today? Super agents, DVD sales, straight-to-TV stars; where does radio fit in? Steve and a panel of guests pick apart the laughter seam of the modern comedy industry, as well as generating a few jokes along the way.

Includes News Summary at 9.00pm.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:36 (fourteen years ago) link

In any given episode of "Extras", it could be 15% "brilliant", 25% "passable" and 60% "rubbish/obvious"...

like swimming in a cool sea and passing through a warm current, etc...

Where are the standards of today, I ask you.
I don't have a Wikipedia entry either.

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...)

Oh, have I got one?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link

you are diligently referenced on both j harris' and a petridis' though marcello.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link

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You searched for mark grout [Index]

No page with that title exists.

Whew.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link

before that little derail folks was talkin' about the public / critical reaction to extras s2. the critical raves so often feel like wishful thinking. wanting, needing to have that generation defining masterpiece happening on your watch. i have yet to meet anyone who regards extras as anything other than ok or entertaining.

also on the bad can someone please put Have I Got News For You out of its misery.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:58 (fourteen years ago) link

At the risk of inviting hate mail, I'd argue that Gervais and Merchant's second sitcom is, objectively, a patchy programme.

At the risk of, on this reviewer's logic, inviting lynch-mobs to my door, I'd argue that Extras was shite.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Radio Ha Ha is great. I was fooled by it the first time.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link

sometimes writers employ rhetorical devices.

xpost

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link

wait, i'm thinking of that other thing on radio 4. carry on. xpost

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost: Yes, but I still think the sentence panders unnecessarily towards Extras when it can really go for the kill instead.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link

'This week: Worzel says all reggae is vile.' thread actually linked to from John Harris wikipedia!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link

A handful of contributors to the I Love Music boards have strongly attacked what they as a thread of covert racism in some of his work

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link

david quantick wrote a book about chris rock?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS COMING OUT OF MY QUIZZICALLY PURSED LIPS?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:18 (fourteen years ago) link

to get off the hate and link to Quantick... TV Burp is back on Saturday! woo! Harry on this year's CBB should be a joy.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link

for reference or summat from the green wing thread:

To put things into context: Harry Hill aside, all British TV Comedy right now is total shit.

-- Ruairi Wirewool (horseproduction...), January 15th, 2007. (Ruairi Wirewool) (later)


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what were the chances of that happening?
-- mark grout (mark.grou...), January 15th, 2007. (mark grout) (later)


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If you can put CT and Green Wing on a par, you truly show a lack of discernment IMO.
Frankly, now that GW has been and gone, I'm inclined to agree with Ruairi, minus the bit about Harry Hill.

-- You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (papiermachealamphibia...), January 15th, 2007. (Haberdager) (later)


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If you can put CT and Green Wing on a par, you truly show a lack of discernment IMO.
no it's just a 'higher' (or rather 'stricter') level of discernment.

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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'the thick of it' will be back, later in the year, and so will 'peep show'.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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but in a another more accurate sense...
-- mark s (mar...), January 15th, 2007. (mark s) (later)


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but then i do like Harry Hill so it's apples and roundabouts.
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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rubbish
-- RJG (RJ...), January 15th, 2007. (RJG) (later)


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so you keep saying
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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RJG's TV Burp
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), January 15th, 2007. (Dom Passantino) (later)


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Hmm. I was only talking about currently-running comedy shows. If Peep Show returns for a fourth bite at the cherry (and TTOI for a second), I will only be too delighted. Of course, the one I'm really looking out for is Nathan Barley II.
-- You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (papiermachealamphibia...), January 15th, 2007. (Haberdager) (later)


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i think it would be a big ask for there to be a 'great' uk comedy series to be running all 52 weeks of the year. i have low standards perhaps; but i don't ask for a 'great' film each month either.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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of course i too want 'nathan barley' back.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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They could drop scissors on a dog's head this time.
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), January 15th, 2007. (Dom Passantino) (later)


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uh, rose-tinted view there i reckon - but at least it was generating interesting discussion.
one episode of Screen Wipe a month would be good. ditto TV Burp.

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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ha ha Dom OTM
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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as with 'green wing', take away the hype and the expectation it'll live up to 'the day today' and 'nathan barley' was 23 minutes well-spent. i lolled anyway.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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i didn't laugh more than i did laugh etc.
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link

We're, what, 18 months away from NB now? Can we work out why it was so bad and so hated yet?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link

we already did!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link

like, 5 minutes after the end credits!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm talking about THE BENEFIT OF DISTANCE AND HINDSIGHT

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Charlie Brooker's Monday G2 column is weird because you can see the video game journalist in him threatening to break through at any moment. qf the Geoff Capes gag in today's etc.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Louis you seem to be assuming that the guy from the Indie actually thinks Extras is shite, which isn't what he's saying. Something can be patchy and still have plenty of redeeming features overall

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

It wasn't bad. It was funny, well-drawn and turn-itself-inside-out clever, not to mention superbly casted and acted. It needs re-watching cos it skips from one idea to the next so quick, but yeh, it's awesome.

And Screen Wipe rocks.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Brooker should start doing his columns in cartoon strip form, like those ads for some gaming shop or other that were always in Gamesmaster magazine

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link

ok 'nathan barley' in the oh-7: that corner of east london had probably lost its edge well before 2005, but now it feels even less edgy. the kind of magazine the show is lampooning is long gone. i have even forgotten the name of that sleazenation guy the guardian hired. but there were some very good throwaway gags.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

the IT crowd was about 300 times better than nathan barley if we're talking post being any good chris morris.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i know a person who knows the redhead, from that.

it was good, but not 300 times better than 'nathan barley'.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

30 times?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

IT Crowd would've been a lot better without the Irish guy.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

no. i actually disagree that it's better, but even if i dodn't i wouldn't say more than 1.5 times.

xpost

steve otm

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

it had jokes and didn't feel like an attempt to make a big insightful statement about something. nathan barley missed so many targets, pulled so many punches and generally got the tone wrong (we should HATE NB) that for me at least its glaring faults overrid any of it's mildly amusing qualities.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link

well this was the thing, we weren't entirely supposed to hate nathan barley.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Are you sure that's not just because they fucked up the characterisation?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link

oh he was hateable enough but his foil dan ashcroft, ie the viewers, was not much better. and i guess you can hate someone and be jealous of them.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

if you don't hate him what's the point? the original tv go home columns had him (or maybe it was his frineds) getting blowjobs from underage hookers and stuff. in the tv show he's just bloke in a silly hat who says daft things. how are we supposed to give a shit about might boosh man if all he's supposedly kicking against are people who are a bit silly? they could have created a proper comedy monster but it was just nothing.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

the original tv go home columns had him (or maybe it was his frineds) getting blowjobs from underage hookers and stuff.

this happened in the show except he thought she turned out not be under-age (at which point NB thinking it now okay to pretend she WAS under-age was actually quite a clever little point about...something or other).

i did hate NB but yes no less than anyone else around him.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

no more, rather

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought that was kinda the idea, that NB was a harmless berk, mooching around London and getting into scrapes like a coked up Shaggy, and DA (because of his own self-loathing) decides to not sort himself out, but instead write columns about how idiotic the rest of the world is.

Actually, scratch that, that's not the idea at all. It's funny caricatures falling into situations and scrambling to return to the status quo whilst simultaneously being trapped; a very old-fashioned sitcom thread. I certainly didn't feel that is was trying to make a big insightful statement about something, at least, nothing larger than "it's better to like something than to dislike something."

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

the barley getting a bj ep was better than any 'it crowd'.

'THIR-FUCKING-TEEN'.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Acrobat OTM.
In TV Go Home, 'Cunt' was unbridled misanthropy. 'Nathan Barley' gave us a guy who was a bit of a tool. You could forgive Barley being sympathetic if it was an entirely naturalistic piece, but the tone was so inconsistent.

In fairness, I guess originally Barley wasn't really a character, just a cipher, and in making him human Morriss and Brooker made him more, er, human. I just don't think that made for great comedy. It wasn't sharp enough to be genuine satire and it wasn't silly enough to be knockabout comedy. It was just 'dark'.

Ruairi Wirewool (Ruairi Wirewool), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

on a thread that started with a load of gervais bashing... Barley should have been presented more like david brent. deluded, egotistical, actually unpleasant but whom we might in the end feel some sympathy for. all the "idiots" seemed nice, there was so sense of infighting or bitchiness which seemed wrong to me. also they could have had some more funny lines.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i think i like emma fryer a lot

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 June 2021 22:47 (three weeks ago) link

Limmy's Show

― Number None, Thursday, June 3, 2021 12:11 AM (twenty-two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Aye. It's all on YouTube too

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 4 June 2021 05:28 (three weeks ago) link

Oh I see you've already covered this haha. I have translated many sketches for Canadian friends

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 4 June 2021 05:29 (three weeks ago) link

No love for Gareth Marengi's Darkplace?

ailsa, Friday, 4 June 2021 10:53 (three weeks ago) link

* Garth

ailsa, Friday, 4 June 2021 10:54 (three weeks ago) link

Oh yes.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 4 June 2021 11:18 (three weeks ago) link

Lots and lots of love. Foundational.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 4 June 2021 11:28 (three weeks ago) link

There's stuff (possibly including Darkplace) where I wonder whether the referents are too English for it to really hit - Green Wing and A Touch of Cloth might count as both (but are brilliant - the latter is Tough Northern Detective Police Squad)

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:28 (three weeks ago) link

I could never get into Green Wing - always seemed like smug whimsy and the episodes were an hour long!

chap, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:36 (three weeks ago) link

I quite like Boosh though, so I'm obviously OK with some smug whimsy.

chap, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:37 (three weeks ago) link

I think the corny 80's horror paperbacks Darkplace draws on are internationally known; transplanting those to TV might be a slightly more British thing (thinking of sci-fi more than horror here really).

Also it's funny how often stuff that feels super insider-y to ppl from the place it came from ends up being super popular outside it - ppl are drawn to geographical specificity even if they don't get all the jokes, I think.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:38 (three weeks ago) link

It's like when I used to watch the Simpsons and they'd reference a US celeb I'd never heard of, but I didn't mind because I could generally guess what that person was meant to signify in the context of the joke.

chap, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:41 (three weeks ago) link

OTOH I think some styles of humour have difficulty crossing international boundaries - for example I've watched several reaction vids of Americans utterly bemused by Reeves & Mortimer.

chap, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:44 (three weeks ago) link

It's like when I used to watch the Simpsons and they'd reference a US celeb I'd never heard of, but I didn't mind because I could generally guess what that person was meant to signify in the context of the joke.

Just like an average day on ILX in other words. Daniel_Rf OTM btw.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 4 June 2021 12:53 (three weeks ago) link

If we're mentioning Darkplace we should probably also call up Doctor Terrible's House of Horrible for horror films 10-20 years older.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Friday, 4 June 2021 14:47 (three weeks ago) link

darkplace got usa play on adult swim, never clicked for me.

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 June 2021 19:10 (three weeks ago) link

Thanks for the Doctor Terrible shout aldo, catnip for fans of 60's Brit horror. The titles alone!

I watched the Witchfinder General parody and it's interesting how despite being a loving reconstruction of 70's visions of Ruritania it also feels totally like a 90's Xena/Hercules type set. Also weird to hear Coogan's witch locator use these inflections that we now associate so deeply with Partridge.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 5 June 2021 09:43 (two weeks ago) link

I've never been sure how it'd play to someone familiar with the original films - especially since some of them lift actual dialogue and have the original cast in them - but for those of us that way inclined they're tremendous. I particularly love the one based on Vault of Horror, and also the Karnstein trilogy version.

Watch out for the cameo by Pete Walker regular Sheila Keith in the first of those, her final performance.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 5 June 2021 09:55 (two weeks ago) link

One of my other massively unpopular things that play 100% into my wheelhouse is Cruise of the Gods.

It's the ur-version of the Coogan/Brydon model later used in Tristram Shandy and The Trip, with them as ex-teen stars of a post-apocalypse ITV-style kids show set in the New Romantic era. It's set on a fan cruise and looks hard at fandom, writing TV sci-fi and cult celebrity.

In further Pete Walker connections, it also stars his one-time lead actor Jack Jones.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 5 June 2021 10:10 (two weeks ago) link

Warning for the above, contains both David Walliams and James Corden but just push past it.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 5 June 2021 10:10 (two weeks ago) link

I've never been sure how it'd play to someone familiar with the original films

Close to unwatchable I'd guess, assuming you meant unfamiliar and judging by the ep I saw - a lot of it is mockery of Hammer's horniness, which I think w/o the context of what they're parodying would just scan as terrible 70's sex jokes.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 5 June 2021 10:16 (two weeks ago) link

Haha yes, I meant unfamiliar.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 5 June 2021 10:19 (two weeks ago) link

One of my other massively unpopular things that play 100% into my wheelhouse is Cruise of the Gods.

It's the ur-version of the Coogan/Brydon model later used in Tristram Shandy and The Trip, with them as ex-teen stars of a post-apocalypse ITV-style kids show set in the New Romantic era. It's set on a fan cruise and looks hard at fandom, writing TV sci-fi and cult celebrity.

WTF, how have I not heard of this?!

kinder, Saturday, 5 June 2021 10:58 (two weeks ago) link

So I started watching it on YouTube thinking it was a sitcom but it's a movie. A weirdly paced kind of downbeat one, bit reminiscent of Mindhorn. You're spending most of the first half waiting for Coogan to show up. Also Russell Brand pops up for 20 seconds.

kinder, Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:53 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, it was during this that Brand had his drugs and strippers meltdown that put him in rehab, so his part got rewritten on the fly.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:58 (two weeks ago) link

enjoyed Cruise Of The Gods at the time, can imagine it playing like a horror film now that the most immature and entitled type of childrens'-SF-fan portrayed in it has been elevated to the core of mainstream culture, both pop and political

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 5 June 2021 23:55 (two weeks ago) link

I remember liking it at the time

The 💨 that shook the barlow (wins), Saturday, 5 June 2021 23:57 (two weeks ago) link

Best 3 tv shows not mentioned so far: This Country, Grandma’s House and (ok it’s Irish) The Young Offenders

a hoy hoy, Sunday, 6 June 2021 06:37 (two weeks ago) link

One of my other massively unpopular things that play 100% into my wheelhouse is Cruise of the Gods.

It's the ur-version of the Coogan/Brydon model later used in Tristram Shandy and The Trip, with them as ex-teen stars of a post-apocalypse ITV-style kids show set in the New Romantic era. It's set on a fan cruise and looks hard at fandom, writing TV sci-fi and cult celebrity.

It's probs my favourite Coogan outside of Partridge, the Video Diaries and The Trip.

burnt hombre (stevie), Sunday, 6 June 2021 07:43 (two weeks ago) link

okay, grabbed all four of those.

watching the start of the euros yesterday made me instinctively say 'a pound in the Nessun Dorma box'. odd how throw away lines from 1996 stick in your mind

koogs, Saturday, 12 June 2021 09:05 (one week ago) link

oh, italia 90, obviously

koogs, Saturday, 12 June 2021 09:07 (one week ago) link

apparently there's a season two of Starstruck on the way, i'm down if the plotting gets ironed out
https://www.thecut.com/2021/06/starstrucks-nikesh-patel-would-maybe-date-you.html


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