POX: Moments from "Heat" (Michael Mann)

Sizemore leaves and picks up a child as hostage. Pacino is like 25 meters out and when Sizemore turns around, facing Pacino, he gets a bullet in the head. Everytime I watch that scene I feel like yelling at Pacino for is surely unnecessary risk-taking. I mean, what if you shot a few centimeters lower and to the right, straight into the kid's face?

hmm, so it's not the movie i'm thinking of. cheers

anyone know of another movie where someone shoots someone in a stand off, by distracting them into thinking 'okay lets listen to watch you gotta say' but then BLAM.

That rings a bell yeah. But I cant seem to remember where other than in Miami Vice I saw that.

I've seen it like in the past couple of weeks. I'll try and recall the films I've watched..

any of these?

Casino Royale
Die Hard 4
French Connection
IRobot
Enemy of the State

Maybe Die Hard 4. But I've kind of forgotten all about that film.

haha me too, the only thing i can remember is when some car plows through a factory while a woman is typing at a terminal

That and the car jumping off the divider into a helicopter.

who? who? what're you a fuckin' owl or something?

Great film.

Great film yeah, except I keep falling asleep while watching it. Everytime a friend comes over and it's late and I've had far too many beers, he chooses to watch Heat. I must have seen the movie about 6 or 7 times but only twice in full.

http://i.imgur.com/dXfyjqI.jpg

“I don’t know if this has gotten out much. I might be breaking the law now, but I’ll say it. The character I played is a guy who’s been around, he’s done a lot of stuff, and he also chips cocaine. And I always thought that was a choice we made, but yet not showing it because it would be somewhat…”

http://www.slashfilm.com/al-pacinos-heat-character/

found this from an MTV interview in 2007:

"I was in a movie once, which will go nameless, and I did a certain thing in this movie: I based my entire character on a scene of me snorting cocaine," he continued. "And no, this isn't 'Scarface.' There was just one little scene of me chipping cocaine, so that's what I did. Well, they cut that scene out of the picture. They had their reasons for it, legitimate reasons I'm sure. But what happened is I based my character on the fact that he chipped cocaine, so my interpretation — my reactions to things — were colored by that. It's like, 'What's that guy so nervous about?' It would be the same as watching 'The Godfather' and never knowing about the gun in the toilet. I assume everybody knows that scene."

wow huh

Chips is such a specific drug use word

man I hope they give that restoration a cinema release

Hoo ha indeed

they could just dub in some loud sniffs whenever they cut to another person in a conversation scene and pacino is offscreen. or after the line "...GREAT ASS!," just have pacino loop an additional line, "is sound like this because i'm SNORTING COCAINE, see?" when they cut to his partner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSNgMSvaHZ8

elite unit of cops led by an unorthodox dude chasing after (and making it known to them that he's chasing them) a gang of professional thieves who rip off an armored truck and then risk it all on a huge score. the credits even mention a character named "Bosco."

i didn't even notice there appears to be a post-heist street shootout of some sort. wondering if Bosco gets shot in the neck and dies in the street in this one too.

fun fact: this movie sucks and is bad

Gerard Butler appears to be letting his badge and his toothpick do the heavy lifting when it comes to acting here.

is that movie as HEAT-like as the trailer makes out? because it looks like a remake.

fun fact: this movie sucks and is bad

think you're overselling it

it was fucking agony in the cinema, would've walked if i hadn't been with other people

in the new version, the line is "her ass SUCKS and is BAD"

the love the subtext of the cops being as bad if not worse than the bad guys is revealed by Gerard Butler holding up his badge and saying 'you're not the bad guys, we are'

So many good Pacino unnecessarily loud non sequiters in this

fun fact: this movie sucks and is bad

― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:29 (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"dead-tech, postmodernistic bullshit house"
― N_RQ, Monday, August 1, 2005 2:41 AM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

even as a teenager this line stuck out like a sore thumb and made me lol

"The information's out there - you just gotta know how to catch it" or w/e

"This Dead-Tech, Postmodernistic Bullshit House: Noir as Form and Function in Heat"

So many good thesis titles in this movie.

So many good Pacino unnecessarily loud non sequiters in this

― calstars, Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:52 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

probably mentioned upthread, but according to Pacino his character was a cokehead and that informed his performance but Mann cut out all direct references to that.

ohhhh

Pacino probably says that about all of his characters.

After sitting through the moderated conversation in Paris, Faïd got his hands on a microphone during the audience Q&A. Faïd had recently been released from prison—where he served 10 years for assorted armed robberies and jewel heists—and explained as much to the filmmaker (and audience).

“Heat remains the absolute example of organized crime, inspired by life, by people—real facts—he tries to transmit them in his cinema,” Faïd began (via translation). “I personally, I am a former gangster, unfortunately, I do not brag about it. I just spent 10 years in prison. I attacked armored vans. . . . For 20 years, I’ve known Michael Mann. I discovered him with Thief, and, with a bunch of friends, we’ve watched his films a bit as reports, as documentaries, and sometimes even . . . ”

Faïd, starstruck as he was, stumbled a bit before regaining his focus.

“Recently, journalists asked me, ‘You know, you had a big criminal career, and you did it yourself, you’re self-taught.’ I told them, ‘No, I had a technical adviser, a college teacher, a kind of mentor, and his name is Michael Mann.’”

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/07/redoine-faid-french-prison-escape-hollywood-michael-mann

The scene when he’s chewing gum and driving at night, stops at a light and kicks the TV out of the passenger side door, then tears off through the intersection...the fine Colombian

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-well-you-know-for-me-the-action-is-the-juice-tom-sizemore-62-24-11.jpg

I love how Pacino is clearly about to say "big" before he says "GREAT ASS!"

have we discussed how the script gave pacino's character a coke habit, which explains all the manic energy and overripe line readings, but mann took that motif out in the edit?

IMO dialogue is central to few of the best moments from this movie.

this movie is nearly 25 years old btw! i guess it's been an official classic for nearly a decade now. deservedly.

fun fact: this movie sucks and is bad
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:29 (six months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 7 July 2018 20:37 (four months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the worst moment is

"i'm scots irish. my family emigrated to appalachia in the late 1700s."

Tom Sizemore's diner stare is one of my favorite shots in this.

everyone in this film has an amazing house, except Waingro who stays in a series of cheap motels until the end when he's earned some cash for being a rat and upgrades to an airport hotel.

Trejo’s house (stilts not visible from street view) https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/1219-Dodds-Cir-90063/home/6957172

Hey Edie Brickell, what’s the latest?

some great stills in this piece

https://www.lataco.com/where-the-movie-heat-was-shot-in-la/

Great article, thanks

I think it reappears a couple of times in the Informant too

I have very little memory of the movie (except Ashley Judd's heartbreakingly poignant warning move). My main association is now the Moby cover of "New Dawn Fades"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynA1dO9Kx8s

That's the version that's on the 24 Hour Party People soundtrack; there's a different version in the film, which is okay but a bit more plodding and lacks the requisite urgency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN5hSvu1dzw

Podcast that does a Minute by minute analysis of the movie
https://open.spotify.com/show/39GMGljDTd8maGzNhK4enI?si=TlQ4F90LTzOE2B6NHAZi_g

https://i.imgur.com/lzmRj7N.png

This must have been one of my first 15 or 20 mp3s in the early days of Napster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHc-3tNoAB8

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So here's a thing

https://fxrant.blogspot.com/2023/01/heat-alternate-edit-of-coffee-shop-scene.html

Fellow "Heat" (1995) fans - I just found an amazing Easter Egg on the Blu-ray. It's an early edit of the infamous Pacino/De Niro coffee shop scene, created early in the film's production when director Michael Mann wanted the scene to be shorter and have a lot less dialogue. It's much moodier and more threatening than the final version, if you ask me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JllQtCEkhpA

lol I thought that was silly, almost like a fan-edit gag. What I appreciate in the original/film is the familiar Mann motif of men so wed to their professions that it encompasses their life at the cost of everything around them. The characters are fully aware of the price they are paying but are compelled, even doomed to their respective pursuits all the same. I didn't find either cut particularly menacing or threatening. If anything I love how mundane it is, underscored by Hanna's line "We're sitting here like a coupla regular fellas," even though both understand they are anything but.

JOSH

hahaha omg

Oh, wait, is it a fan-edit gag?

It's still hilarious/fascinating to see the true first draft of this scene, part of the first version of Heat: Mann's TV-movie L.A. Takedown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye6tmftzMoI

That edit has me on the floor! Lol

Watched this last night, I hadn't seen it since it first came out and my wife had never seen it. When it was over, she said, "If I had known this was the greatest movie ever made, I would have watched it a long time ago." She's now trying to figure out how to see it on a big screen, up to possibly renting out our local indie theater just for that purpose.

Your wife OTM

I saw this on the big screen a year or two ago and was reminded that the bank robbery shootout is LOUD

I’d forgotten so much of it, all the intricate side stories, how generous it is with screen time for even minor characters like poor Dennis Haysbert. An epic! *Pacino voice* SHAKESPEAREAN!

Overlooked / under-used “Pacino on coke” perspective

the way Dennis Haysbert says "the hell are you proud of me for?" kills me every time.

such a well-acted scene

We watched this tonight. My wife’s concluding comments were “well that was long”. Smh

Also that was Henry Rollins???!?! Man was made to be a goon!

Poor Ralph

A guest host on a movie review podcast just described Heat as “hot men being sad”

I didn’t think Ralph was that hot

But he was sad

how generous it is with screen time for even minor characters like poor Dennis Haysbert

a perfect scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QhttjrOg5A

Goddamn that scene!!!

I'd have to revisit Thief again, but otherwise Heat is probably the one Michael Mann film I'd watch and enjoy again. It's the quintessential Mann film, for better and worse. It's great how even a minor character like Haysbert can feel so tragic, but the film's also marred by things like "I've got three dead bodies on a sidewalk off Venice boulevard, Justine, I'm sorry if the goddamn chicken got overcooked."

“You ex/husband’s post modern dead tech bullshit house”

"marred"

Maybe I've missed it, but I'm surprised there hasn't been a scene in a Michael Mann film where two guys sit down and simply go "WOMEN. Am I right??"

His name is Michael Mann for <a reason>

Maybe in “Ferrari”

lol I forgot Henry Rollins and Tone Lōc were in it