Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

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All of Twin Peaks is wonderful - the soap opera bits in the second series work like the breakdown in "One More Time". It ruined television for me, frankly.

Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I always wanted to be Audrey Horne.

Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

there has been no better television drama ever. why does ally like so many things that i like?

ethan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Whatever the reason, I'm 100% certain that it's all your fault.

Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I just watched the movie for the first time. I never saw the series. Is it better? The movie was. . .odd. I'd like to rent some tapes of the series though and check it out. I was stoned, it's a good stoned movie.

Sam, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

well i've chalked up jay-z to some bizarre second-hand musical faghag thing on your part but twin peaks, that's just weird.

ethan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dud. I could be weirder with both lobes tied behind my back. Eraserhead: okay, but, eh. Everything else: poopy, including Dune, Lost Highway and Twin Peaks.

Nude Spock, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Blue Velvet was good.

Nude Spock, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, that explanation of Jay-Z makes loads of sense. Ethan = logistical genius.

Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Explains my like of Jay-Z too! How do you do it, Ethan? ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The dream sequences are the most accurate depictions of dreams ever.

JM, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

six months pass...
are we falling in love?

Queen G, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, take me.

Ally, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the most Classic thing ever made. I was too young to see it on TV, but the renting and non-stop watching of it totally dominated my life for two weeks a couple years ago; I'd get home from school/work, pop in Twin Peaks, and watch until I keeled over.

Dan I., Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic, classic, classic.

Whilst still a student I lived with someone who had all the episodes on video. In our third year, due to freak timetabling I finished my exams earlier than everyone else I knew. For three days I sat on my own and watched series one and two back to back, only speaking to stressed flatmates when they came down to make coffee.

By all accounts I was a little odd at the end of it.

I *knew* there would be a Twin Peaks thread on here somewh

Anna, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

After being wowed by "Mulholland Drive" and feeling like I'm a fan of David Lynch again, I rented "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me", which I never bothered with the first time. I thought it was a complete piece of garbage. It didn't even have nice photography. If I didn't have a friend over watching it with me I would have turned it off.

Sean, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Still one of my couple of favourite TV drama series ever, despite the crap ending. And a lot of Lynch's films are terrific too.

Martin Skidmore, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

crap ending

I know what you mean, but seeing as there is no ending it's a bit unfair to pick on it for being a crap one. "Nonexistent" would be better.

Last week I watched episodes of On the Air, the surprisingly sitcommy show Lynch developed after Twin Peaks. Slapstick. Most of it played out like the Twin Peaks beauty pageant. Very torn as to its classicness versus dudness.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the biazarre thing when you watch twin peaks again is the humour - i mean it was all there, but yr head was too fucked up in trying to figure out if daddy fucked her or not...now it's camp, beautirul, emlancholic. genius

Queen G, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nine months pass...
Funny Twin Peaks. When the original series was out, I was 13 years old, and a friend and I joined a Twin Peaks discussion group which met in a now-nonexistent bookstore on Southport Ave. in Chicago. We passed around cherry pie and doughnuts and tossed about theories regarding owls, UFOs, the Black Lodge, etc. One day someone in the group (everyone save for Katie and I were over 30) announced that they had the new Playboy with Sherilyn Fenn and proceeded to pass it around. That was my first exposure to pornography, broadly defined.

Classic, of course. I wish David Lynch had the energy to involve himself in each episode, however. The ones he directed are a world apart from the rest of the series.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I meant to begin, "Funny Twin Peaks story."

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I loved that movie.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

i only really got into twin peaks recently:a friend of mine had all the episodes on tape,another friend asked to borrow them,and a group of about four of them started to watch it all the way through...
they kept going on about it,and then another group started watching,then myself and two other friends watched it as well...
its great to watch all the way through,the thing with it is you have to see every episode...
its amazing how enjoyable the whole thing is,even though you could find faults with certain parts,overall it is so amazingly good i still haven't got over it...
nothing else on tv,except the simpsons,comes close,in my opinion...
bob scares the life out of me,if i saw that actor walking down the street i would probably turn and run...
the last episode was also the purest form of terror i have ever experienced-i'm not normally someone who likes that sort of thing (i never watch horror films if i can avoid it)but it is just so good you can't not watch it...
the second series did have some dodgy moments,but there are so many hilarious scenes,and most of the characters are so great,that even a "bad" episode is incredibly enjoyable...
as for the film,if you haven't seen the series there's no real point in seeing the film...
its great to have another twin peaks fix after the series ends,and it is truly eerie,but its not quite as good as the best episodes-the more humanistic touches are missing....
well worth seeing after the series though...

robin (robin), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

btw matthew the first series is out on dvd,at least in region two (uk and ireland)
as for the film being all over the place,part of the appeal of twin peaks for me was that it seemed like such an anomaly-that some weirdo had persuaded tv companies to fund a series you have to watch every episode of,containing loads of weird,fucked up little bits,and then got a film made that,although it was technically a prequel to the series,relied on you having seen it...this makes it all the more rewarding if you do get into it...

robin (robin), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've watched the first series but I've never been able to catch the second (when it was shown the first time i think i was too young) (hopefully I'll get it someday).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

The second season is I think still available on NTSC (that's American/Japanese format) VHS. It's in EP mode so it looks like crap compared to the DVD set of the first season (which is out in R1--USA--in addition to R2).

The actor who played BOB (Frank Silva) died not long after Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me came out, so no danger of spotting him on the street. The scene where he crawls over the coach to Maddy's horror is terrifying.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

The film (Fire Walk with Me), by the way, made a lot more "sense" before it was edited down to meet the producers' demands. The scene with David Bowie, for example, moves from the totally inexplicable to the very strange. Unfortunately I think there is much in the full script that is too literal by Lynch's standards, essentially rather obvious "let's fill in the holes"-type exposition. I'm torn between wanting to see the "full" version (many more scenes were shot than made it to the final cut) and appreciating the one we have for its evocative incoherence.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

apparently there was two hours worth of film with david bowie in there but Lynch cut it down to 30 seconds after deciding that he couldn't act! well, that's what i heard anyway.

I'll try and chase the second season.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, there's a short scene with Bowie's character in Rio de Janeiro (explaining the "I was in Rio" line) and the scene in the FBI offices is a bit longer. I think that's it. I doubt Lynch decided Bowie "couldn't act" since he is at the very least a strong presence in front of the camera and the role doesn't ask for too much--and after all Lynch has cast far less qualified people in major roles and used them effectively (viz. BOB and Laura).

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Twin Peaks - still one of my favourite shows ever. I lived for every Tuesday night at 9p.m. on BBC2 and remained hopelessly devoted even the identity of Laura Palmer's killer was revealed and my peers had given up on it. Delightfully quirky and every so often absolutely terrifying.

Classic. Classic. Classic.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Another TP story, I broke my toe because I was running upstairs (our TV was in the basement) to get a soda, trying to make it there and back before the second episode started. On the way back down I tripped and--ouch!--crunch--broke my big toe. So I had to go to the hospital and didn't see the crucial second episode (the one with the dream sequence) until months later.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

favorite TP character(s):

the seldom seen Hayward sisters Harriet (twee and so hilarious - 2 scenes) and her piano playing sister Gersten (awesome boogie woogie retainer speech affect - sadly one scene).

gygax!, Monday, 13 January 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

One of the Hayward sisters was played by two or three actresses (the "Donna effect")-- one of whom was Alicia Witt and she played her own boogie woogie piano. One of the mysteries of Twin Peaks is how we could have spent so much time in Donna's house but see her sisters maybe two or three times in the course of both seasons.

Another continuity error that sticks in my craw was how in the last episode, Norma and Ed repair to her home to look after Nadine (thwacked by a sandbag during the Miss Twin Peaks contest), but make no mention of Norma's sister Annie who has been kidnapped by Wyndam Earle. My guess is that David Lynch (who wrote/directed the final episode) was not too fond of the plot contrivance that was Annie and just acted as though she were marginal to the story.

I haven't even watched this series for years, but such was my devotion to it that I remember such minutae even now. Embarrassing, isn't it?

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, it's Ed's home to which they repair, my mistake.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah Nitsuh - thankyou for mentioning On The Air - this was b/cast in UK on a late-night BBC2 slot sometime during 1st half of the 90's I think. I'd forgotten it's name, and I've never met anyone else who watched/remembers/heardof it.
I think the *first* episode of it contained an extended disintegration-into-disaster slapstick sequence which was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen (IIRC climaxing with the Elegant English Gent being slowly lowered headfirst into a bucket of dogfood he's trying to advertise - complete with a wonderful cartoon 'squelch' sound) I stayed with it for the rest of its series but it never attained that ridiculous level again, although I did continue to like it....

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

What do you mean there's no ending. Seemed like the perfect ending to me at least, Even Agent Cooper cannot defeat Bob = there will never be an end.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, the ending is perfect and very daring. Also daring of Lynch to allude to it in the film without resolving anything.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you can find On the Air on video (it's hard enough to find in the US, and I have no idea if it was released in the format used in the UK), some of the unaired episodes are just as bizarre as the first one. I liked it a lot more when I watched the series all at once, instead of catching it week to week (that might've been true of TP, too, if I'd caught it on broadcast instead of video).

Twin Peaks: mostly Classic. Faltered a lot in the middle, and then got canned just as things were really picking up at the end. Lynch had pretty much left the other writers to do as they please, if I remember right, only to come in and ditch their plans for the last episode, leaving us with ... well, that.

I spent a month in college doing nothing but watching David Lynch stuff, for a paper. I can never watch Eraserhead again.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

the episodes may falter in the middle,but there are so many cool little bits-cooper having breakfast in the great northern while an unexplained barbershop quartet plays in the background,or the scene in the lobby of the hotel where there are loads of scouts just standing there bouncing balls up and down for no reason...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

not nearly enuff cooper in 'fire walk...'
better musiq than the series, pretty terrifying.
'she's my mother's sister's girl...' etc.
brrrr.
series however - best show of the decade.
the owls, are not what they seem.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Amateurist, are you saying you broke two toes in the one chaotic rush?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I haven't seen this series since it was on the air, I keep thinking I should shell out for the dvd but they are so very expensive.

It's hard to believe this was ever a network television show, I can't imagine any of the networks airing something like this now (I think the failure of Mulholland Drive as a series confirms this).

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have bit of it on tape, mostly not so classic but I DO have the final which seemed pretty crushing and evil at the time. CLASSIC. Maybe doesn't do everything you'd want from a DL TV show, but doesn't it do far more than you'd usually expect from TV?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

First season - classic
After that - much more of a dud, though with classic moments.

I always felt like Lynch just ran out of ideas or something.

We own the DVDs for the first episodes - they're great and the "extras" aren't bad, either. Purchased the vidoes from Amazon - quality so horrid that toward the end we could not hear the dialogue. But the creepy music came through.

I liked that I kept being thrown for a loop with the plot lines. I hate it when things are predicatable. (And, well, I thought that the sheriff was a hottie - but I found Audrey more enticing. Never understood how Cooper restrained from kidnapping her and showing her the error of her ways, or something equally as entertaining.)

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 07:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
the TP:FWWM thread reminded me of something.
we were having a TP weekly watching thing around here recently (one or two episodes every monday for several weeks). it had been a while since i'd watched the series, and it was entertaining of course. i've always loved it. but something struck me about it that, although i'd noticed before it had always seemed to be a smaller portion of the larger and more varied set of artistic intentions. but to my admittedly chemically enhanced brain it stood out like an, uh, out-standing especially bright light, or amateurist's broke toe or something. and what i'm getting at is the whole soap opera-ness of it all. it struck me suddenly as a straight up, over the top parody of "bizarre" soap opera plots that the normal, art-indiferrent masses go fucking gaga over. nothing in TP is really that much crazier than shit that goes on in the regular soaps. how it's presented of course is different. and anytime a TV is on in TP it's showing Invitation to Love, which is itself a hilarious and very obvious parody, but the camera turns back to the characters and it's a slightly less obvious parody, one cut with an often humorous sense of evil and dread that you're invited to take seriously. as art, etc. but it's all ridiculous! and then, my stoned head realized that all art is LITERALLY entertainment. as in i have a notion to create something and i entertain that notion and create a physical artifact of some kind. and, uh, nevermind. i'm not stoned now, i swear.

my other theory is that lynch, with TP, had an almost perverse understanding of what makes teenage girls with a certain disposition tick. as a dude, i can be a fan of course, but all the sinister, hidden shit going on with mom, dad, boyfriends, sisters, etc., ... everything is not okay! anyway, these theories are, like, quarter-baked, obviously.

i like the show. it's weird!

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I seem to remember 'Lynch's surreal take on the soap' being a prominent meme in the publicity surrounding the original airing. Peyton Place was mentioned a lot. I've never seen that, though.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

You guys are misjudging that Twin Peaks was all Lynch's ideas... Mark Frost (Hill Street Blues, $6 Million Man) had a huge hand in overseeing the writing and production of the series.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

amateurist was supposed to loan me his tapes of season 2, but forgot to bring them to our party and now he's in Italy. :(

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost
true, gygax!, true. which really goes to show that, whatever you think of how successful TP as a product, it's certainly up there with a handful of shows as the most "WTF!?" thing on TV ever. as in how did this happen? who gave the green light to this? and who do i thank for doing so?

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

She also enjoyed a long life (with some interesting biographical details that I learned from an obit). Many of the others died younger, which was especially sad.

Chavez video on MTV, July 1995 (morrisp), Sunday, 15 October 2023 19:51 (six months ago) link

Personally have close to zero quibbles with s3 but I do feel they could have included at least one scene of Ben Horne looking wistfully at a framed photograph of her feet

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Sunday, 15 October 2023 19:55 (six months ago) link

Whatever became of Little Elvis?

Cow_Art, Monday, 16 October 2023 01:25 (six months ago) link

He became bruno mars

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 16 October 2023 02:31 (six months ago) link

ah loved Piper. Watched Carrie recently, and yeah didn't know she was the mother. But then realised that the Frasier episode with her as the over controlling mother figure made a lot more sense!

Ste, Monday, 16 October 2023 10:11 (six months ago) link

no one wants to know the number of times a day I've walked around the house saying "animal life" since rewatching FWWM

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 16 October 2023 22:56 (six months ago) link

Very sad to hear of Piper Laurie's passing, though I'll be listening for reports of any elderly Japanese men appearing at her funeral...

blatherskite, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 19:41 (five months ago) link

Haha

Chavez video on MTV, July 1995 (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 October 2023 19:42 (five months ago) link

There seemed to be such a horrible spate of Twin Peaks actors dying in the aftermath of s3. Piper Laurie's passing reminds me that it has thankfully slowed, but maybe that's just cause so many are gone.

It was pretty sad how many who actually appeared in The Return died before those episodes were even broadcast. And even new cast members like Robert Forster passed away after the series finished airing.

FWIW, my favorite Piper Laurie performance is still Sara in The Hustler, one of my favorite films, period.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 23:31 (five months ago) link

Agree! One of my favourites for close to 50 years. (And she's amazing.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 18 October 2023 02:00 (five months ago) link

well into the return now, episode 5. Struck this time by the sensitivity and pathos of Coop-as-Dougie. The breakfast scene was actually rather hard for me to watch as it reminded me so much of trying to feed my mother in the last week of her life, her mind just completely gone. I can't believe he didn't get an Emmy for this.

The purple room/eyeless woman/not-ronette scenes were terrifying when I watched them this time, I don't remember being so viscerally horrified the first time through. This stuff really recalled Eraserhead.

My only complaint is that some things actually make too much sense; the Mike/Dougie scene in the red room, for example. It's so expository ('someone manufactured you") I have to think Mark Frost wrote that.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 19 October 2023 20:30 (five months ago) link

I think that line is a useful grounding point for the viewer... it also shows that Mike (apparently) wasn't the one who "manufactured" Dougie, although I suppose even that is open for debate.

Outside the opening scene of Part 17, I can't think of many lines that I thought were too expository; one or two plot aspects are sort of presented as initially unclear and then are revealed to be what you thought they would be (but this is more the exception than the norm, ha ha).

strawberry ice cream, one scoop or two (morrisp), Thursday, 19 October 2023 20:45 (five months ago) link

xp yes I’ve always felt this series was primarily about ageing and the changes it wreaks.

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 19 October 2023 20:51 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

aw. lynch looking very guru-like in his robe

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 30 March 2024 01:33 (two weeks ago) link

Very david lynch voice “I SHOULD. HAVE. DIRECTED. JEDI. “

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 30 March 2024 03:35 (two weeks ago) link

my biggest problem with the revive was that hawk wasn't sheriff. my other quibble was the "cherry pie" issue: i wouldn't have minded if it just stayed local and picked up where the og series left off and stayed in twin peaks altogether but in the future but the expanded universe way of exploring core concepts vis-a-vis judy and whatnot was ok too but they took too long to return cooper to his true self imo. other than that, all michael horse all the time.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 30 March 2024 09:04 (two weeks ago) link

my recent rewatch of the Return (the first time I'd rewatched the entire thing), I was much happier with the pace and the amount of time spent with Cooper as Dougie. But it was frustrating when these were coming out week by week.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 30 March 2024 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

April 8, 1990: "She's dead...wrapped in plastic."

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 01:09 (one week ago) link

It first aired in Australia a little later in Feb 1991 - I was 14 and Twin Peaks + Northern Exposure was my ~entire~ personality in high school

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 01:25 (one week ago) link

I basically dressed and wore my hair like Bobby Briggs for a year or two

rendered nugatory (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 01:28 (one week ago) link

My friend's band played their first show on 4/8/1990* and THEIR 2ND GUITARIST stayed home to watch Twin Peaks instead lol.

*openers: The Melvins & TFUL282!

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 01:30 (one week ago) link

for my 15th birthday that year my friends gave me THE SECRET DIARY OF LAURA PALMER

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 01:44 (one week ago) link

my mom watched the pilot and immediately roped me in for the first real episode. i was obsessed with Bobby and fancied myself more of an Audrey Horne type which, in retrospect, is kind of disturbing. But not surprising.

To this day I am spooked by men who look even remotely like BOB and I think it's because I was 14 when I saw him for the first time creepin out from behind the furniture

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:01 (one week ago) link

Imagine being the copywriter who had to figure out how to try to explain what Twin Peaks was in a newspaper ad.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:09 (one week ago) link

I was 11 when I first watched the show and I literally threw the remote control out of my hand at BOB's first appearance.

Chris L, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:15 (one week ago) link

The owner of the Palmer house is now doing paid tours of it, and has set up a BOB mannequin looming inside a cracked-open closet door.

bae (sic), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:27 (one week ago) link

She seems cool, I've seen her social media postings and whatnot

rendered nugatory (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:28 (one week ago) link

My wife and I stopped outside that house several years ago. Her license plate is TREMOND.

Chris L, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:47 (one week ago) link

Did you see creamed corn on that plate?

subpost master (wins), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:51 (one week ago) link


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