"You stand convicted of Assholism!" -- in praise of John Waters

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I met him once in B'more. He was incredibly personable with just a touch of wwweeeeiiiirrrrrdddddddddd. Der Meister!

Skottie, Sunday, 9 March 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

i wish i had seen john waters films. i love the simpsons episode hes in, but yeah, i am hanging out for finally getting a tv and vcr :-(

di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

while I enjoy his earlier stuff, I must confess "Hairspray" remains my favorite film of his.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

best delivery of any line in any movie i ever seen : edith massey going "oh no,a TURD, who would've sent us a TURD??!" or whatever, man that's funny

duane, Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like how all of the scenes he had to cut in Pink Flamingos are really short, but he left in heaps of shots of the trailor burning! I mean really I'm sure there was room for that pig latin bit.
Pink Flamingos is my favourite and I could read Shock Value over and over again, well I have.

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I must agree that Divine's performance in "Polyester" is terrific.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Shock Value is the best book ever.

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 10 March 2003 00:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

while I enjoy his earlier stuff, I must confess "Hairspray" remains my favorite film of his.

Same here. You can't top the unspeakably bizarre sensibility of the early films, but Hairspray, the greatest film of 1988, manages to keep the weirdness but add in his essentially, uh..., em,...er...sweet-- personality too. Ricki Lake was brilliant, Divine of course.

No, Homer. Ultrasuede is a miracle. This was just good timing. Or something like that.

Skottie, Monday, 10 March 2003 01:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have to admit that I like his later films more... Hairspray is ultra-classic, but I have to confess my love for Serial Mom even more. My fave scene in any Waters movie is at the end of Pecker when all the art trash snobs shout "Death To Irony!"

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Monday, 10 March 2003 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

the scene where they sit around singing "Demented Forever" as they get branded made me cringe, it was so corny

Yeah, well agreed. And yes the movie overall is quite great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

four months pass...
What was John Waters' upbringing like?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:11 (twenty years ago) link

Saw 'pecker' a few weeks ago. excellent.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:14 (twenty years ago) link

N; nice, normal, from his books. His dad looked to have aged spectacularly well, though.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

Catholic.

Tag (Tag), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

didnt he also move out & snort glue and hang out with his punk rock/art skool (girl)friends
i love the "freezeframe assh*ole" section in one of his coffee table books. he goes on to explain that actually seeing an assh*ole in a prono movie is a rare thing.

i like how all his movies take place in baltimore.

kephm, Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

Got around to seeing Polyester a few weeks back and the snooty drive-in alone slew me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 July 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

My mum used to work with his cousin. He told her that JW was from a very posh Catholic family in Baltimore and that although they thought he was a total nutter, his whole family absolutely loves him.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 27 July 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

He seems perfectly polite and very well spoken, what family wouldn't love him?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 July 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

:) I think it's great that Baltimore loves him too, the Sun declared him Marylander of the Year last year, I believe.

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 27 July 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

I can't figure who beset represents America-John Waters or David Lynch...

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 27 July 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

If only all Americans were one or the other....

Tag (Tag), Sunday, 27 July 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

dontcha think? ;-)

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 27 July 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

Surely your economy would collapse with only two people?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

Nah.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

kephm is that asterisk supposed to be a picture of a asshole like in that vonnegut book or are you worried about attracting creeps who do goog searches for the word "asshole"?

duane, Monday, 28 July 2003 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

No, Nick, lots of people, but all David Lynch or John Waters. And let's say...oh, Kirsten Dunst.

Tag (Tag), Monday, 28 July 2003 07:54 (twenty years ago) link

whoa, this thread is quite timely - i'm actually seeing a showing of Polyester at the local arthouse on Wednesday - complete with Scratch n' Sniff card handouts or whatever, I guess a number pops on the screen and you are supposed to scratch off the card and smell it at that point.

jason m. (jason m), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

Exactly. Be prepared for a bit of vileness.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

breathe deeply!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 28 July 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

I liked the way they tricked you into the vileness, too => This is how it works, smell this good smell...now smell this one.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 28 July 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

audience by Pavlov

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 28 July 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

I am timely.

What is the trick of being an adorable asshole?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

Don't try it--it doesn't work in the long run

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

I've seen John Waters speak live twice and he essentially just talks about his career for an hour or so, but being as his career consists of John Waters films, it's essentially like standup comedy. John Waters = Classic. Make certain to check out A Dirty Shame when it comes out next year.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 03:01 (twenty years ago) link

the documentary on him is good, don't know the title--sorry for the useless, content-less post.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 06:21 (twenty years ago) link

You mean Divine Trash?

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 06:24 (twenty years ago) link

Yes!

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 31 July 2003 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah. I don't like Steve Yeager. He was kinda a bit too nebbish for my tastes.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 31 July 2003 05:18 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
"Fashion can change!"
"No, it CAN'T!"

adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 19 September 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, what's with all the John water's revives?

Aja (aja), Sunday, 19 September 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

When's A Dirty Shame coming out?

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 19 September 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I wished I loved his movies as much as I love him. Still, he is clearly one of the people who makes the planet a better place. My absolute favorite thing about him is response he gave in a NY Times interview about ten years back, when asked about his own sex life. As I remember it: "I've tried everything short of necrophilia and discovered I like kissing best."

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Sunday, 19 September 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

And yes Divine Trash is great. I wouldn't mind a sequel talking about the rest of the seventies films up through Polyester.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the interview with him on the special edition of Pink Flamingos "'Cunt Eyes!' What was I thinking?"

that had me laughing for days. he gives the best sheepish little chuckle/snort as he says it.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i met him at a book signing, and my tongue was like turquoise from a blue raspberry blow pop i'd just been eating. he said, "oh my god! look at your mouth? what is that?"
i offered him the other blow pop i had in my bag and he pocketed it, saying "ooh, i'm going to give this to someone i really hate!"

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

not fair!

Aja (aja), Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

When's A Dirty Shame coming out?

it had a limited release for baltimore on the 17th and is nationwide (but only 100 prints!) on the 24th.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

That is a great story, lauren.

adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 19 September 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

lauren, you have the best famous people stories!

rainy (rainy), Monday, 20 September 2004 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i dropped a lit cigarette on robyn hitchcock's foot.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 20 September 2004 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link

S&M is dying too. There are very few leather bars left in the country. Gay bars are disappearing. It's getting uncomfortable. It's like having "black bars." They just hang out with everybody. Which I'm for. My message is that I've always been very against separatism. To me, I still like the biker culture, but all bikers are old now. And many of them are fat....

And if they are young, and dressing in leather, you'd think they're gay. They look sort of like the Eagles. But I guess that people tell me that the new, young S&M boys dress like fake skinheads. Non-racist skin heads. That's the look. I guess, I don't see it that much. But I don't go to the bars that much. I live at the beach, and S&M really looks stupid at the beach.

http://gothamist.com/2014/09/02/john_waters_justin_bieber.php

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Great new interview:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/03/john-waters-multiple-maniacs-baltimore-criterion

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link

Even with A Dirty Shame my father said after, “It was funny but I hope as hell I never see it again!” That’s a pretty good quote!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

watched this at bma, didn't disappoint
http://www.nytimes.com/video/t-magazine/100000003435098/teaser-john-waters-kiddie-flamingos.html

am0n, Monday, 31 October 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

Found a complete version of Desperate Living on YouTube last night and it fucking killed me again. So many totally insane characters and scenes. I never really noticed it b4 but its definitely his lesbian/dyke film. Of course, there are other um "avenues" explored but that one is most prominent. The low budget sets are fantastic! The buildings in Mortville are near psychedelic in their coloring. Just beautiful. And also of note, was the absence of Divine, fortunately the other Dreamlanders rise to the occasion. Definitely his darkest film by a considerable margin. I fucking love it!

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 29 July 2017 05:14 (six years ago) link

"SEIZE her and FUCK her!"

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 29 July 2017 06:40 (six years ago) link

LOL! Yeah, there are so many great lines in DL."look at that pelt", "every word I utter is to be taken as a direct, royal proclamation", the aforementioned white man/tampax line. It just goes on and on. The scene wherein Mo emasculates herself, tosses it and some random dog grabs it up. It's truly remarkable how successful it is even without The Divine Miss Divine. And its definitely a film whose appeal to me would never be explainable to my parents ala Warhols Trash and many other favorites.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link

For some reason, I can't get my library to stock the Criterion of Multiple Maniacs.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link

TELL HER this isn't some communist daycare center!!!

can't tell you how many times i've thought about the title of this thread re: current administration and basically every single news day about it

comey did deflategate (daria-g), Sunday, 30 July 2017 02:14 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

this is pretty priceless btw; the two tone collar is dope and waters is sharp as a tack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEzk1DqTaaQ

amazed no one goes to waters these days with an open checkbook, seems like it would be printing money... has he said he's just not making anything anymore?

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 27 November 2017 06:05 (six years ago) link

I remembered a funny John Waters anecdote yesterday that I told to friends

I saw him speak on my college campus, probably fifteen years ago, and he was joking about how after he'd mentioned poppers a number of times, one of the manufacturers had gifted him a "lifetime supply"

I saw him again a couple years ago, and the topic came up. He said he'd nearly run out! Either they underestimated him or he's lived longer than expected

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link

It’s a good thing I’m not relying on making movies. That’s the only one of the careers I have today that isn’t going so great. In the independent film world now, they want you to make it for $2 million and I don’t want to go backwards. I don’t want to be a faux anarchist underground filmmaker at 71 years old. People say, ‘Well, why don’t you raise money on Kickstarter?’ I own three homes. I’m not panhandling. So that’s fine because I have different ways to tell stories.

Do you miss filmmaking?

No. I mean, I do. I miss it, but not completely. I would make another movie in a minute, but I don’t know when I would make it. I am scheduled for the next year already! I made a lot of movies. It’s not like they’re hard to see. I know I would miss it if I didn’t write. I would miss it if I didn’t do spoken word. I would miss it if I didn’t have a photography career. I’d be happy to make one, but if I don’t make another one, I’m fine with that too.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40480667/john-waters-is-done-being-a-faux-anarchist-underground-filmmaker

curmudgeon, Monday, 27 November 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link

I own three homes. I’m not panhandling.

God bless him.

piscesx, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Odorama cards this Fri night in NYC

https://www.moma.org/calendar/events/6341

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link

I still have my card from when I saw it in the 80s. Haven't sniffed it recently, wonder if it's still got the aromas.

nickn, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Also rewatched Female Trouble the other day having finally gotten the Criterion Blu-ray and man, that thing's more crazily prescient than ever.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 June 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

But of course

John Waters bequeaths his art collection to Baltimore Museum of Art, whose bathrooms will be named in his honor https://t.co/BqVZPKx74z

— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) November 12, 2020

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link

perfect

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:07 (three years ago) link

my house appeared in pecker for two seconds and i am trying to remember if the house at the end of my street was pecker's house or if i made that up, either way i feel part of this

superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...
two months pass...

Just saw the first date of this year’s Christmas tour here in SF, great as ever. Some news:

*4K of Cry-baby on Kino Lorber next year

* Possible Criterion of Pink Flamingos in the works.

* First novel next year! Liarmouth — about a woman who steals luggage from airports.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 05:51 (two years ago) link

Seeing the Xmas show tonight

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 18:25 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

And it's happening

https://www.criterion.com/films/31320-pink-flamingos

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 March 2022 16:49 (two years ago) link

Pink Flamingos is one of the films, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, that I saw numerous times when I was younger, and agree is culturally or historically significant (!) yet have no desire to watch again.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 March 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link

I have Pink Flamingos on a VHS videotape somewhere and honestly watching it on a 4K Blu-Ray seems like an example of comically missing the point.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:45 (two years ago) link

Luckily it's just a normal BR.

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:47 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

New book, new interview etc.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/john-waters-book-liarmouth

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 22:41 (one year ago) link

Great read! Thanks Ned!

BrianB, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 11:05 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Here's hoping!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 18:57 (two months ago) link

Wow, can't believe it's been that long. By a weird coincidence I am currently reading Liarmouth and it very much feels like one of his films.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 19:12 (two months ago) link


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