"The Wire" on HBO

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awesome tracer! i'm impressed that you watched season three in like three days! the avon/stringer/briana scene was amazing, as was avon and stringer on the balcony overlooking the harbor.

and prez. poor poor prez.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

and CUTTY!!! so cute!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

What do y'all think about the City Hall dimension of the show, which has gotten more significant every year, the council and mayoral politics, etc? I'm of two minds about it because on the one hand it's sort of amazing to find a TV show taking that stuff seriously and showing some level of sophistication about it, but on the other hand the show (which I guess means the writers) seem a little less sure-footed there than on the street. The political consultant dragon lady, e.g., doesn't really convince me.

I'd like to see a City Hall show written by someone who knows City Hall as well as Simon knows cops and robbers. But maybe I'd be the only one who watched it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, did anyone see the NYT article a while back about how Baltimore's new police chief has a stepdaughter who's a junkie prostitute? It was a really sad story, and sounded exactly like a "Wire" storyline.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i love that aspect of the show, especially as it expounds on the wire's obvious power theory obsession. unfortunately i cannot say how realistic it is, but based on homicide (the book) and the articles i've read about city government, it seems fairly on point. supposedly the fourth season will focus on the city government and its relationship to the schools.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it gets the broad strokes right, the way the power relationships work and everything, it's just that the details seem a little less convincing than the details of the police work and the gangs. The characters are a little more stock, and their motivations are less complex. But that could be because they've been relatively minor characters so far, maybe in a season that focuses more on the bureaucracy, we'll get more interesting bureaucrats.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(and I think focusing on the school system is a great idea)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't see that article. The show has been threatening to follow the money since Season 1, and you're right, it definitely seems to be headed that way. They even added a totally gratuitous meeting between Cutty/Dennis and Daniels' wife in what I hope is a sprinkling of the chess pieces around the board for an epic corruption showdown in Season 4. Does anybody even remember now how the hell they got together? Dennis even asks Burrell -- why are you doing this? -- and see, now I can't remember. That's what happens when you totally pig out on like three episodes a night, I guess. Stuff falls through the cracks.

xpost to jamz -- yeah! The black councilman is running for mayor on an education platform, and the white councilman is running on crime, right? The white councilman is a great character, you never quite know where he's coming from. He seems like he's got real decency under there, but there are ominous signs... the moral triage of politics comes a little too naturally to him, and his vanity is well-documented. The revelation of Hamsterdam was a moment of moral choice for him and he wrestles with it -- use it to his campaign's advantage, or follow his conscience? He's told: "You've been dealt a winning hand and it's like you forgot how to play!" but he remembers how to play at the end, and I wonder if it's the first step down a long, venal road.

The other big indicator that 4 will be all about the money, or at least the politics, as that Clay Davis remains unconscionably un-comeuppanced.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

p.s. I wonder if Simon knows George Somerby, the man who writes The Daily Howler? Somerby taught in Baltimore for years and has long excoriated everyone whose lapels he can grab about how they've failed kids in city schools.. to the point where he's now explicitly changing the mission of the Howler to focus on education

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

BUNNY COLVIN!!! How awesome a character was he?

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, he's one of the cops to whom things actually mean something other than ego or advancement or lack of anything else to do. And what a face!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Lt. Daniels has his shirt off through half the third season, and he looks like a GI Joe man

Lance Reddick rules. He ruled on Oz too.

I saw him running at the dog park a few weeks back. Intimidating! But sporting the tall man's tell-tale knee braces.

And, in the hidden indicators department, he's done time in Rochester. Eastman School on his resume.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently the 'arc' narrative of the fourth season is going to be following four middle school students through a school year. I forget where I read that, but it was linked from a Televisiowithoutpity.com forum. Sounds good to me. I'd like to hear back (somehow) from the Sobotka family or otherwise somehow get back to the docks. Vondas is still supplying Proposition Joe, right? That could do it.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
First off, this Ed Burns interview about season four is amazing, and shows how aware the creators are of the power theory/class questions of the Wire. (Of course they are but it was nice to hear them spelled out.)

Secondly, last week thanks to the transit strike and me spending Christmas in New York, I rewatched the first season and am mid-way through the second. Just so so good. So many things I had forgotten, and some little tidbits in the early going that showed the uncertainty that it began with. Things like:

1) Omar curses in the first episode
2) Stringer SMOKING in the first episode (no way would he ever smoke)
3) McNulty's British accent is sooooo apparent in the earlygoing

Anyway, I'm just convinced more and more everyday how genius this show is/was.

Also, has anyone else seen Cutty in those Cheerios commercials? And last night I saw D'Angelo's mom in an episode of West Wing!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Secondly, last week thanks to the transit strike and me spending Christmas in New York, I rewatched the first season and am mid-way through the second.

This sentence is true of me as well. Yancey, are you me?

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

if only i could be so lucky!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha!

On the second viewing, I found myself more impressed by the skillful long-arc structuring, but slightly more annoyed by the couple of actors for whom I can't quite suspend disbelief. Frank Sobotka in particular makes me picture the script, and the camera, and the audition, and generally the actor trotting around the Upper West Side with a latte and a copy of Backstage.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought the guy playing Sobotka was very believable!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I realize that I'm in the minority. Kima is the only other one who bugs me a little.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I love all the Sobotkas.

"YOU MOTHERFUCKERS GAVE ME BAD ADVICE!"

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Kima is somewhat unbelievable at times, and sometimes Omar is a little over the top, but Sobotka was totally real to me.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Omar's over-the-top-ness is what makes him so fun.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Secondly, last week thanks to the transit strike and me spending Christmas in New York, I rewatched the first season and am mid-way through the second.
This sentence is true of me as well. Yancey, are you me?

Hey you guys are me wtf cut it out I'm me

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, is Season 3 out on DVD yet (didn't find anything on amazon.com)?

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

season three comes out this summer, apparently. which means season four will start in august or september. i bought a burned copy of season three online for about $10. sucks to pay someone for piracy, but i couldn't stand not being able to rewatch it...

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Bring it over to my house! I don't have HBO, I haven't seen any of season 2, and summer is too far away. I need it NOW.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Season 3 is just starting again on HBO Zone, if you've got a good HBO package.

Yeah, season 4 is debuting in the fall of 06.

HBO for 06:

March - May: The Sopranos / Big Love

July - September: Deadwood / Entourage

September - November: The Wire

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm interviewing writer-producer George P. Pelecanos on MLK Day in D.C. Anyone have any questions for him?

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

You can smell Sobotka's armpits thru the tv screen. I like that.

My favorite is Bunk.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

The Deadwood/Wire combo will keep me happy for almost half the year, then. 2006 is looking up.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I never finished the third season, ironically. I've been hoping for a longass time that the DVDs would just come out, but I'm thinking of downloading them shits as time goes on.

I GUARONTEE ::cajun voice:: (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I meant I hadn't seen any of season 3. Sheesh. No small-motor control.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
just finished watching season one. best tv show ever.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

agreed. i've only watched to the end of season 2, via netflix, and it gets better and better. complete pwnage of all other tv, in my opinion.

tobo (tobo), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

only things:

1. it woulda been cool if d'angelo's mom was introduced a little bit earlier, but oh well.
2. beginning of last episode - scene with lt. daniels and mcnulty in the hospital is, aside from daniels' closing lines, pretty terrible.

starting season 2 next week!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
SPOT ON. The fuck did I do?

For all the seriousness, this show gets hilarious in a "jokes between friends" sort of a way. See Omar and McNutty clothes shopping. "Well...It's a look." "No it ain't."

I don't really have anything to add to what everyone else has said except OOOH. I had no idea Dominic West was English, but I knew Idris was. I've seen him on the telly. He was great in that show with Miles (Jack Davenport, I mean) that was about vampires except it wasn't.

Oh, inDEED. I am desperate to get season 3, having only watched the first two. I'm downloading it, but only at speeds I haven't witnessed since the 90s.

This show makes me want to drink. Always.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 17 March 2006 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I just dled S3 myself. I'm still seeding, too!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 17 March 2006 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Did it take you 50 days? Ha.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 17 March 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

About four, but it was aa 4 gig file!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 17 March 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

So when is this supposed to be on again, anyway? I swear I saw some teaser last year that said "March 2006" but I guess not.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

argh - website sez "Production is about to begin on THE WIRE's next season. Stay tuned for more updates about the upcoming season four."

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

tracer deadwood's next season is after sopranos takes it's break so my guess is around august/september which since it's focusing on the schools next season makes nice timing. still haven't seen s3 yet - i missed the first month and it's not a show you can just pick up on in the middle really.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 17 March 2006 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

FIE. I'm jealous of your not having watched S3. (I liked it a lot better than 2.)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I am Ned now, apparently.

Tracer Hand ;) (tracerhand), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"still haven't seen s3 yet - i missed the first month and it's not a show you can just pick up on in the middle really."

pretty much the same for me, i caught the first few eps and then missed one or two, which was enough for me to write it off until i could see the whole thing at once. which still hasn't happened.

also it really embarasses me whenever this thread is bumped :'(

I literally just finished watching Season 3 about three minutes ago and now a thread pops up. Weird.

I started watching this show about a month ago on DVD and picked up season 3 on bittorrent. Now I've watched all three seasons over the course of the month.

I really didn't like the first six episodes or so of season 1. The dialogue seemed like forced, hardboiled verite bullshit. But the last half of season 1 and then season 2 and 3 were so goddamned brilliant. I'm really glad I stuck through it because I personally believe this is one of the best shows in the history of television.

I mean, all you can really ask of art is that it change the way you think a bit and make you reconsider your perspective on the shape of the world, and it might sound corny but this show has been a big deal for me.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 17 March 2006 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe I just need torrent advice. I dunno. I can't seem to use anything without sucking up all the broadband power we have, and it still doesn't dl very fast...

Nyagh.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 17 March 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

All three seasons begin slowly, and then you feel them kick into high gear about halfway through (the drunk driving/Pogues moment in Season 2, the establishment of "Amsterdam" in Season 3), and they usually have Pelecanos write that episode.

I think this series has a lot to say about what's going on in Iraq, especially Season 3.

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Saturday, 18 March 2006 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm almost dying to see Season 3! I didn't feel this at the end of the first season, but there seems to be some inevitable things set up at the end of the second and I need to see that shit happen (Stringer's gonna get GOT).

I'm going to leave my computer on for a month if I have to.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 18 March 2006 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I also can't stop laughing, and wanting to say, "them shits" in every sentence.

"I wiped them shits down" "I need to hear them shits" "nah, fuck those shits"

It's just so much funnier in plural.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 18 March 2006 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link


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