max will come here now and be like "no it's real!!!" but c'mon what would you expect him to say.
like I said...BUSINESS MODEL.
― iatee, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
what is "real"
― max, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
*cut to spinning metal top thingie*
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.problogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/blog-earnings-2.jpg
― markers, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/hipsterrunoff/photographs/hro/fd235fae.jpg
― markers, Friday, 23 July 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, this post uses a photo that i took and posted on 1p3! did hamilton nolan read that thread? it was a pretty great thread u_u
http://gawker.com/5597674/why-dont-black-people-love-fox-news
good lord, the cable news is SO WEIRD lately!! this is my news thread
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 July 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
daria is actually hamilton nolan
― max, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
oh cool
hey daria!
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 July 2010 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
really?
― markers, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://hamthechimp.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/i-hate-a-lot-of-people-on-fox-news/
― jeff, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i don't think so ksh
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 July 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i wish Gawker would stop linking to Gawker.tv because every post there makes me furious
― hold me, thrill me, kiss me, lil b (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 26 August 2010 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link
expand
― piranha karenina (s1ocki), Thursday, 26 August 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
don't click on the posts that make you furious
― unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 26 August 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
pro tip
― just sayin, Thursday, 26 August 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
this week whiney i kind of imagine so full of rage that you walk around brooklyn berating trees and squirrels
― i got what t.rex turok the mic right (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 August 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
ive never read either of these sites
― gg eileen (jjjusten), Thursday, 26 August 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
ah shit now i sound like the I DONT EVEN OWN A TV guy. no judgement intended
― gg eileen (jjjusten), Thursday, 26 August 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
gawker is max's blogspot it's pretty cool
― i got what t.rex turok the mic right (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 August 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
can't believe that max used to write for notalentwhatsoever.com.... smh
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:48 (thirteen years ago) link
No discussion of the New Yorker profile of Nick Denton yet? Apparently there was in New York too but I haven't seen that yet. I thought the most interesting aspect was Denton's futureshock impatience with old media wasn't matched with any great understanding of how to make his new model profitable (quite apart from the fact that I find the hustling-for-page-views model depressing and reductive). I found these quotes about the future of journalism telling (and depressing) because he really has no idea how things are going to shake down.
“I think of us as being a little like the friendly barbarians,” Denton said. “You know, like, when the Roman Empire fell, there were the tribes that had come out of Mongolia, and each one that came was fleeing some other yet more barbarian group of barbarians. We’re the barbarians who can actually—probably—be hired to defend your gates.”
"Maybe this is like Craigslist, where billions of dollars of value is destroyed, and only a tiny fraction of that is actually captured by the new winners. Or you could look at it like this is the early days of cable. You know, cable took a long time to get off the ground. But then, once you’ve got the franchise established, if you own MTV or the sci-fi channel, at some point it really starts to kick in."
Full 10,000-word article here: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/18/101018fa_fact_mcgrath
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder how MTV would have fared in the early days if instead of videos from Joan Jett and Erasure it was filled with NIBs about 11-year-olds being attacked by cats.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hz31FDhY4qw
Why would the HuffPo want to murder Max with a bus?
― romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
~~~~miss u~~~~
― markers, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
his 'new' model is profitable!
― max, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I meant to say "very" profitable. It makes money but not (yet) enough to make it a major new paradigm, and most of it is off specialist porn and gadget sites.
"At the outset, he had assumed that, in order to be viable, each individual site would need to achieve a million monthly page views; that threshold, he believes, is now twenty million. He has since sold Wonkette, shut down Oddjack, and folded Defamer into Gawker proper"
"Gawker itself has an audience about equivalent to that of PBS.org. The “geek” sites, as Gizmodo, Lifehacker, Kotaku, io9, and Jalopnik are known internally, bring in twice the traffic of the “gossip” sites"
"given the thin margins of online publishing, Denton’s cultural impact greatly exceeds his revenues, which are somewhere on the order of fifteen to twenty million dollars a year"
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
who cares that most of it is off porn? most of newspapers' profits were off classified ads, not great reporting.
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Beyond the profitability (or not) of his empire, is it too naive to ask what his empire contributes? What sort of impact it has in the world?
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
(I'm asking because I don't read his sites. Although gizmodo seems to have some pretty freakin good SEO if my Google searches are representative at all)
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
it brings max to the world
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost. I'm working off Denton's own quotes, specifically the Craigslist comparison. Even he doesn't seem sure where the big money's going to come from.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm a regular gawker reader, and max's work is great, really great. kotaku is the worst-written site in the world though.
― The Boondog Taints II: All Taints Day (stevie), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah! is this your page max? http://gawker.com/people/Glen_Runciter/posts/
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
not most of its on porn at all. fleshbot is the worst-performing site, as i think the article says.
― max, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah he has no idea how its going to shake out. but no one does!! hes making a bet about the future (http://beta.gawker.com), just like everyone else is.
― max, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
The “geek” sites, as Gizmodo, Lifehacker, Kotaku, io9, and Jalopnik are known internally, bring in twice the traffic of the “gossip” sites, suggesting that British-inflected class angst may not be a long-term-growth model.
writing on the wall for your style there max : (
― caek, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess? thats an demographics-of-the-internet thing more than anything else
― max, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
gawk is still the second-biggest site on the network though thats as much b/c its the oldest
whatever, Glen
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i was joking max. if anything, i find your posts lack british-inflected class angst!
― caek, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i liked tom scoccas take on the profile even if i didnt entirely agree with it
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/scocca/archive/2010/10/11/nick-denton-is-in-the-new-yorker.aspx
― max, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
aw caek ive never heard a bigger compliment in my life
― max, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"geek sites do better than gossip sites" doesnt necc mean "gossip sites lose money"
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
and yeah, it wasnt just classifieds that propped up newspapers. it was auto sections, home buyer's guides, lifestyle specials. twas ever thus.
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno, maybe you could try a little sprinkling of british-inflected class angst? xxp
― caek, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"geek sites do better than gossip sites" doesnt necc mean "gossip sites lose money"― candid gamera (s1ocki), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:30 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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right, and it's web publishing, which is not a business that lives or dies on profit margins. if you're not losing money you're ok.
― caek, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
this blog will beat them all: http://hroexegesis.com
― markers, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
wait is max's nom de plume really named after a character out of a philip k dick novel
― dayo, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't read gawker but maybe this is what pushes me over the edge
the posts are coming from inside the half-life chamber