I HATE APPLE

JON WILLIAMS HAS NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

Jon, there is one problem with OSX that you never, ever, ever get on these threads and it leads you to argue with me or Tracer or Tom or basically anyone else who doesn't feel like having to open Terminal and remember UNIX commands and go through lengthy compile processes just to get control of their own goddamn computer that they paid $3000 for. You DON'T have to go through these hoops on Windows (post like 2000ish). You DIDN'T have to go through these hoops on older Mac OSes. You DON'T have to do this with other systems. If you WANTED to do that you could just FUCKING LOAD RED HAT INTO A MUCH CHEAPER MACHINE. That's the problem here, Jon, not whether or not you could, theoretically, go into UNIX and go through a series of commands to do xyz if you know quite a lot about UNIX. I know it's theoretically possible. I also know that I didn't have to do that on OS9 or on my PC to get it to do things I wanted to do. It shouldn't take me hours to make iTunes work the way I want it to, is what I'm saying. I shouldn't have to search the help function to figure out how to double space paragraphs in iWork. By making things "easier" they're making it harder.

Mac OSX basically has two modes: complete retard or computer scientist. For everyone who falls in between--which is the majority of what seems to be their market, old Mac users and switch over fairly-knowledgable Windows 2000/XP users--this is really super gay balls bullshit and I hope they change this little smugness phenomenon on their next OS because I'd really like a Powerbook or Powermac but quite frankly if I'm going to have to use UNIX commands and shit in a terminal app ANYWAY to get what I want done on a regular basis on the computer, I'm not going to buy a fucking Mac.

xpost because he's already spent $4000 on a computer that acts like a flakey tempermental coke head?

the build quality could be a whole lot better. but I have an uncle who works at apple so I get it all cheap (maintenance &.) fr free anyway < /flounces off, smug as all hell>

at least, off the top of my head, except oh wait Jon is going to turn all my programs into .pkgs for me and put them on .dmgs that are in .sits so it is all easy and doubleclickable

so just
rm

well maybe

rm
cd
ls

in case I want to look at the files in some of my directories BESIDES HOME for troubleshooting reasons but wait OS X always runs like a dream, troubleshooting isn't necessary! Invisible files should always stay invisible! You shouldn't be able to see that, it never needs to be touched!

When have you had to "look somewhere" for "troubleshooting reasons"??

my mom? she uses the iTMS and iPhoto a lot. She your typical end user?

haha the one time I have had to investigate some invisible files to troubleshoot things was when I realized gcc was broken and I couldn't use CPAN. Oh and a week ago when the iShockXDriver flooded my logs and flung shit everywhere.

So I guess you're right, Jon, either I should devote myself to *nix and just get my next OS for free or I should just use iTunes and iPhoto and be a happy little imbecile with no interest in any functionality other than that Apple built in. I don't see what standpoint you're even arguing from besides rabid, drooling Apple fanboy. It doesn't matter though! you win! I use MAKE, I have no right to expect that Apple let me use the Finder the way EVERY OTHER *NIX WINDOW MANAGER WORKS.

Have you ever noticed how annoying female college students who are into Franz Ferdinand are, Jon?

xpost could very well have.

http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

except minus the easy change customizo fonts thing for your GUI :( :( :(

http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

I have to admit that I kind of thought the end of Mac was a long, long time ago, long before iPods and iWork and iCute and all that. It was when they released the EMAC for the first time. That was when I realized I would soon not be happy with their developments.

THINGS WERE ALL BETTER, FOR ALL OF US, IN 1994.

JON WHERE WERE YOU LAST YEAR, TO TELL ME ALL OF THIS SMUG NONSENSE???

For good measure
http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

I ask you, what do you have to do to get same functionality level??????????????????

I hardly ever use my terminal application for anything other than ssh to real UNIX systems. My system runs (nearly!) flawlessly for months at a time.

When I ran a free UNIX, I had constant headaches with crappy x86 hardware and Linux. Package upgrades breaking things; OpenGL not workingp; blocking operations in graphical programs preventing GUI redraws, etc. Linux is SO FAR BEHIND OS X for normal desktop use.

I think Ned Ludd was onto something.

yes

gah I've just done a complete 180.

(Though to be fair the PC next to me is "Piss, bollocks, poo")

I just want a computer which allows me to customize its functionality in a relatively simple fashion which is constructed from reliable hardware. I think most of what is being implemented now, by all vendors, amounts to a lot of bells and whistles and doesn't improve my user experience really much at all. I think that OS and hardware design should be about creating a solid foundation, and functionality beyond basic administrative/file mgmt/config tasks should be left up to third party developers. I dislike the fact that Apple has taken the competition out of the arena w/r/t iTunes and iPhoto et al. and think it bodes ill for the future of the platform.