Search & Destroy: John Coltrane

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Can't believe no-one has mentioned Olé in this thread

bham, Friday, 9 July 2010 09:30 (nine years ago) link

I can't imagine any Beefheart fan not appreciating Coltrane. Beefheart certainly did, though he was quoted most referring to Coleman and Ayler.

After A Love Supreme:

My Favorite Things (Atlantic) 60
Crescent (Impulse) 64
Meditations (Impulse) 65
First Meditations (For Quartet) (Impulse) 65
Transition (Impulse) 65
Giant Steps (Atlantic) 59
The John Coltrane Quartet Plays (Impulse) 65
Ole Coltrane (Atlantic) 61
Coltrane Plays The Blues (Atlantic) 60
Coltrane (Impulse) 62
Sun Ship (Impulse) 65
Ballads (Impulse) 61
Africa/Brass (Impulse) 61
John Coltrane With Johnny Hartman (Impulse) 63
Impressions (Impulse) 63
Coltrane Live At Birdland (Impulse) 63
Live At The Village Vanguard (Impulse) 61
Newport '63 (Impulse!) 63
The Avant-Garde (Atlantic) 60
Blue Train (Blue Note) 57
Coltrane's Sound (Atlantic) 60
Coltrane Jazz (Atlantic) 59
Soultrane (OJC/Prestige) 58
Black Pearls (OJC/Fantasy) 58
Duke Ellington and John Coltrane (Impulse) 62

Destroy: nothing

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 9 July 2010 13:43 (nine years ago) link

yeah, Meditations. I put it on one Sunday morning, knowing little about Coltrane; halfway through the first song I was screaming and in tears (in an awesome way, if that makes any sense)---was happy no one else was around.

― begs the question, when is enough enough (Euler), Friday, 5 March 2010 19:53 (4 months ago)

whoa

surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 July 2010 13:52 (nine years ago) link

yeah, Meditations. I put it on one Sunday morning, knowing little about Coltrane; halfway through the first song I was screaming and in tears

Stubbed your toe on the way back from the CD player?

Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 July 2010 13:54 (nine years ago) link

i haven't made it to those later-period live recordings (like LIve in Japan) yet ... the recording quality is good? is it radio broadcasts or something?

tylerw, Friday, 9 July 2010 14:55 (nine years ago) link

Live In Japan quality is v. good

Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 July 2010 14:56 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

meditations is basically the best record ever made by humans on earth

FRIDGED WAG MANPAIN syndrome (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 09:17 (nine years ago) link

that said, the vastly underrated "stellar regions" is probably my favorite in the realm of ~coltrane records~ vs. whatever pantheonical land meditations inhabits

FRIDGED WAG MANPAIN syndrome (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 09:20 (nine years ago) link

was checking out a new collected Coltrane interviews thing in the bookstore this week. amazing how chill the guy was, considering some of the music he made. seems almost ridiculously down to earth.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 14:32 (nine years ago) link

I like "First Meditations" a lot

tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 14:33 (nine years ago) link

Recent favorites are Ole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hN5JpIG0B0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsIOgLp5rlU

and Alabama (this is live version but you get the point):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j_TDoOPnIA

matt2, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 14:48 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Does anyone have the Prestige Box Sets - Fearless Leader, Interplay or Side Steps? Worth picking up?

Jim, Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:26 (nine years ago) link

i have 'em. some great stuff, also some very so-so, under-rehearsed blowing session-type stuff. I'd say Fearless Leader is the best of the lot.

tylerw, Sunday, 7 November 2010 01:15 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I have all three, too. I agree that Fearless Leader is the best one, but each has plenty to recommend it. I find myself listening to '50s Coltrane more often than '60s Coltrane these days; sometimes you just want to hear a dude with incredible talent playing melodic, easily-understood and -enjoyed music rather than listening to that same incredibly talented dude Brillo-ing his soul in front of you.

that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 7 November 2010 14:18 (nine years ago) link

yeah, true. one essential thing that's included on Interplay is the Kenny Burrell collab album. Great from start to finish.

tylerw, Sunday, 7 November 2010 14:29 (nine years ago) link

Love the Coltrane/Burrell record. Otherwise I agree his Prestige work was inconsistent but has some great moments. A couple of tracks that come to mind are Good Bait and Goldsboro Express.

Kinect: The Body Is Good Business™ (Hurting 2), Sunday, 7 November 2010 17:25 (nine years ago) link

Wow. How did I never hear Olé before? It's brilliant.

Veðrafjǫrðr heimamaður (ecuador_with_a_c), Sunday, 7 November 2010 22:33 (nine years ago) link

All the Atlantic stuff is top notch. Used to own the Complete Prestige set but sold it because it was never getting played. It wasn't bad, just nothing compared to the Atlantic and Impulse stuff.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 8 November 2010 00:51 (nine years ago) link

Wow. How did I never hear Olé before? It's brilliant.

I know, right?

Lostandfound, Monday, 8 November 2010 01:25 (nine years ago) link

meditations is basically the best record ever made by humans on earth

Yes.
yes, it is.

sonofstan, Sunday, 14 November 2010 21:00 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

Kind of ashamed I never got around to some of the later material until recently. Sun Ship and Interstellar Space are so incredible.

The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:12 (eight years ago) link

eh, no reason to be ashamed. i'm holding off on the later stuff, just because i'm scared of not having any more coltrane albums to discover!

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:27 (eight years ago) link

Giant Steps still rules and is a permanent feature on my mp3 player. Need to get my hands on Olé and the Kenny Burrell collab. What's so great about the latter?

sam500, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 02:41 (eight years ago) link

latter is great just to hear coltrane in a different context -- pretty much the only time he really played with a guitarist, i think? some of it is straightforward late 50s hard bop, but really good straightforward late 50s hard bop. highlight is the coltrane/burrell duet on "why was i born" which is insanely pretty.

tylerw, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:03 (eight years ago) link

I listened to Bags & Trane for the first time tonight.... what an unrelenting set of performances. It's like they are trying to top each other with every new solo.

have never really given the ascension and later period a chance but it's on the list.

skip, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:09 (eight years ago) link

I remember always hearing about how Tyner and Jones didn't like the direction Coltrane was going in toward the end, and there's all this tension in the late quartet recordings that I think actually makes for amazing music. I wonder if there's something to that -- Money Jungle has a similar sense of tension and struggle. I also remember hearing about how Keith Jarrett hated playing the Rhodes in the beginning, and he sounds so great on it on Miles records.

The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:16 (eight years ago) link

latter is great just to hear coltrane in a different context -- pretty much the only time he really played with a guitarist, i think?
― tylerw

excellent will have to check. totally into my jazz guitarists at the mo, particularly sonny sharrock on the herbie mann album and john mclaughlin on the jack johnson sessions.

sam500, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:11 (eight years ago) link

(not that i'm comparing kenny b. to the guitarists above of course)

sam500, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 05:01 (eight years ago) link

ha, yeah, was gonna say -- don't expect that kind of stuff from the burrell/coltrane record!

tylerw, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:02 (eight years ago) link

Someone kinda touched on this upthread, but I"m curious...listening to Live At Birdland this afternoon and during Alabama, I swear I'm hearing a human voice muttering faintly in the background. Right around the 2 minute mark and goes on for like 30 seconds.

Is that Elvin Jones or McCoy Tyner giving instructions or something? Any jazzheads able to offer some insight?

xtianDC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:51 (eight years ago) link

...and now I'm hearing that same "sound" all over Your Lady. What am I hearing?!

xtianDC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:54 (eight years ago) link

crowd noise? or, elvin does grunt and vocalize a lot to himself when he's playing. i don't remember it coming through on that record, but haven't listened to it in a long time.

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:58 (eight years ago) link

It sounds too consistent to be crowd noise. Also, these are the two studio tracks on the album. So I'm gonna pretend like it's Elvin for now. At least until I can put some headphones on and really listen.

These two songs, btw...is there anything better?!

xtianDC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:03 (eight years ago) link

I bizarrely worded Googs search sent me to this:
Jazz pianists who make weird humming noises during their improvisations

haha...

xtianDC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:05 (eight years ago) link

you can hear him doing it pretty clearly during the drum solo near the end of this (killer) duet w/richard davis, like around 7:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uMk0aKMpqQ

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:14 (eight years ago) link

That's definitely similar to what I"m hearing on Alabama and Your Lady. Cool.

xtianDC, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:43 (eight years ago) link

I always assumed that was Jimmy Garrison; you can hear him singing along with some of his solos.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:27 (eight years ago) link

Been meaning to check out the Elvin/Richard Davis collabo forever, thanks.

What You Know Is POLLS!: The Orson Welles Poll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:43 (eight years ago) link

(Also will rep for this Richard Davis album
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/SzZFIOoRtfI/AAAAAAAADoc/vpwNkSUGRVc/s400/Richard+Davis+-+Now
although I don't think Jordan likes the drummer too much)

What You Know Is POLLS!: The Orson Welles Poll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:50 (eight years ago) link

Need to read the other thread again, but the thing about the humming is, always wonder how loud does the source have to be and where does the microphone have to be placed and what pattern does it have to have for it to be so audible to the listener? Although maybe I already said that on other thread three years ago.

What You Know Is POLLS!: The Orson Welles Poll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:57 (eight years ago) link

although I don't think Jordan likes the drummer too much)

really, did i say something against freddie waits at some point? honestly not too familiar with his playing, i only know it from this crazy live freddie hubbard record. nasheet is great though.

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:52 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

So... Ascension Edition I or II..?

mikethegrouch, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:59 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Let's Save John Coltrane's House
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/opinion/sunday/03sun4.html?_r=2

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:22 (eight years ago) link

six months pass...

Would Ravi Coltrane be worth seeing? He's coming to Toronto soon. I don't know any of his music, but the thought of seeing Coltrane's son is inherently powerful to me. (In a way that Julian Lennon and Jakob Dylan never were.) I didn't even know he had a son who was out there playing music.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:40 (seven years ago) link

I saw him a few years back and he was pretty good. He closed the show with a Giant Steps that he dedicated to his mother who had just died recently. And it was definitely powerful in a way.

wmlynch, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:03 (seven years ago) link

Definitely go. Who is he playing with?

POLL Removal Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:19 (seven years ago) link

Christine Jensen Quartet. It's very tempting--I didn't realize it was coming up so fast, though.

http://performance.rcmusic.ca/event/ravi-coltrane-quintet-and-christine-jensen-quartet-featuring-ingrid-jensen

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:23 (seven years ago) link

Definitely go. Ingrid Jensen is great too. I've seen her with Darcy James Argue's Secret Society. Haven't seen or heard her sister though.

POLL Removal Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:30 (seven years ago) link

seven months pass...

Today's his birthday; 24-hour birthday broadcast today on WKCR.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 23 September 2012 14:44 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/370773643959

Neil S, Thursday, 7 March 2013 21:05 (six years ago) link


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