new york times' kelefeh sanneh on the white stripes, get behind me satan and retro-rock

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just checked billboard/allmusic for verity's sake: the Strokes have made one song "Last Nite" in the modern rock top 10, 3 more in the top 20. Jet has three modern rock top 5s and another top 20, two of those modern rock hits making the pop top 40 as well as hitting the mainstream rock and adult top 40 charts. The Killers have had two modern rock top 5s (and their next single seems a lock), as well as a bonafide pop HIT with "Mr. Brightside." I think Ned's OTM re: John The Baptist. They were more an initial hype (and yes, they sound like THIS but they were HYPED like that) than an initial smash.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

At Miami's "hip" "alternative" bar last night I counted at least 10 people with Killers tees. The Killers, Bloc Party, the new Coldplay were all played. The Strokes, ubiquitous in 2001 thru 2003, have vanished from the playlist.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

if the hype was more effective maybe we'd at least be seeing some SINK THE STROKES shirts.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I almost feel bad for the Strokes. I still think they had a unique sound and some great tracks, shame the sleepy guy who writes the hooks also wants to sing lead.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I was thinking about that just now as I showered -- Casablancas is nowhere near as memorable/presence-laden a singer as (say) Jack White or even Brandon Flowers, and it really sinks the band. The legendary "A Stroke of Genius" mashup makes it even clearer!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Yet the turn in the band's fortunes is not entirely their fault. So they released a second album that sounds a lot like their first - so what? The problem is they're paying their marketers and PR men more than they're paying for a producer who'll get Julian to stop singing thru the fuckin filter already. These guys really need Mutt Lange.(what's Roy Thomas Baker up to these days?)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Bush had a similar problem but at least their constipated hookwriter had a tighter ass.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Roy Thomas Baker is currently producing the Darkness because they couldn't get Mutt Lange, actually.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

if they had mutt lange behind them, they might get their nevermind. their new producer isnt gordon raphael though, i think hes worked with 'big' acts so they might get their pop crossover this time. id rather listen to casablancas than flowers though.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure how I feel about pondering the Strokes in the shower, but Ned's otm about Casablancas.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 5 June 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

> if we're talking about bands/movements with "nationwide, not-just-college-radio-type exposure" based around "selfconscious retro-ism" then surely the model for this is Britpop?? <

not sure i agree with this (there are *lots* of models for this kinda {bowel} movement), but i think it's an interesting thought, since didn't the strokes actually hit first (and perhaps bigger) in england? they definitely seemed to be on tour there a lot, when they just had EPs out. (in fact, i think their first EP may have showed up on american shores as a UK import.) and the same thing has happened with some american post-strokes new-new-wave hypes since -- definitely the bravery and the scissors sisters (if they count); not sure who else.(do interpol have brit hits? in the states, near as i can tell, they've never gotten much beyond college radio, though anthony can check the charts and correct me i'm wrong.) so maybe the reason i don' t notice the movement as much as some other people here is that i don't read the british music papers, who may well have invented the movement in the first place...

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Interpol have done pretty damn well for a band on Matador (maybe even better than Liz Phair did back in the day!), but yeah in a mainstream sense they remain minor. They're kind of where REM was in '84, at the forefront of a collegiate subculture.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

The White Stripes broke through first in the U.K too, didn't they? Not to mention (yes, let's not) Kings of Leon.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Interpol, if we continue miccio's REM analogy, are where REM were around Reconstruction-Life's Rich Pageant: top 20 placing, moderate mainstream and MTV airplay, magazine covers, etc.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The NME were definitely going "OMG STROKES!" in early 2001, FWIW. I also think that's where some of the 'best real rock band since Oasis' stuff began (no, really, things like that were said).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

REM were a "retro" band too right? All Byrds-y jangle pop in the midst of synthesizers, metal & hip-hop.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you describing 1984 or 2005?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck Eddy OTM about Green Dayze.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Get thee behind me, New York Times!

The LA Sunday Times today turned the subject of this thread into a grease spot with a story so big, the pictures alone take up more space than the column inches of Sanneh. The photos, of which there are four of Jack and Meg White, are all bigger than your head! Get the print version, cut them out and use them as masks!

Robert Hilburn travelled to Pine Grove, Pennsylvania, strike that, Detroit, MI, to interview Jack and a silent Meg White.

Excerpts, you'll swoon:

..."Get Behind Me Floyd" is a daring creative advance..."

"The White Stripes' Jack White is ready for a break as he slips behind the wheel of his vintage four-seat..."

"A new sound of independence..." (in 50-point pika, or whatever the designation is for lettering that's really big)

"The fifth album proves they've earned their stripes..."

"...the recording sessions left even the normally workaholic White drained..."

"Everything about Jack White's car, from the upholstery to the tinny radio -- is original - except for the supercharged engine features that make the car roar loud as a jet..."

"White makes his way back to the living room and sits in a chair by a picture of Rita Hayworth..."

"She was a metaphor for everything I could think of...the red hair, the innocence, the fact that she lost her memory to Alzheimer's..."

"I hate the celebrity stuff," [said White]. It trivializes everything..."

"Meg's so shy it's probably a relief Jack does all the talking..."

"Whatever his musical path, White is unlikely to temper his musical vision..."

http://www.latimes.com -- ya can't miss it. Subscription site, use
Bugmenot.

Harry Klam, Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph...

I'll give 'em a pass on the car though: could be a Detroit thing (search, Woodward Dream Cruise)

http://www.woodwarddreamcruise.com/Photos.html

rogermexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

No, Jack, Meg and [Hilburn or Sanneh]...

Harry Klam, Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that, maybe since Suede but definitely since Britpop, the UK Press has had a devoted hype machine focused around the idea of resurrecting older variants of rock. The period between Oasis and The Strokes was a period of failed attempts - remember that quasi glam revival with bands like Ultrasound and Gay Dad.

I suspect that from a UK Press perspective, The Strokes weren't really a reaction against non-rock (though there were still a lot of "Rock is back!" taglines) so much as a reaction to not-so-rock rock that had had a lot of currency at that point in time - on the one hand US pansy-psych-pop like latter-day The Flaming Lips and Mercury Rev, and on the other hand the mournful MoR of Coldplay and Travis. The battlefield as such is more intra-rock (and only a small part of it) than rock vs [x].

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

"Music Mick" position on The Strokes on that other Strokes thread is a case in point...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link


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