ILM July Madness: Round of 32 - WEST

i know wtf

still, only 4 are "female artists" to any significant extent. point taken.

aretha franklin, donna summer, nina hagen, b-52s, heart, pixies, bjork, dusty springfield, joni mitchell, mazzy star/opal, missy, cher, portishead, cocteau twins, pj harvey, cat power, grace jones, nico, stereolab, the raincoats...

plus galled by absence of devo, talkingheads & boredoms

i love ccr

sbed lex tbqh

I was gonna vote CCR (don't feel too strongly either way, like a few songs by both, probably more by the Stones but their post-70s career and endless Mojo reverence is kind of offputting), but the amount of CCR love is kinda surprising me here, maybe into voting Stones

Beach Boys v Can is difficult! I like either band more than anyone else in this round.

Anyhow my first thought was the same as Johnny Fever's (Beach Boys, Abba, CCR, JD) and maybe first thoughts are the most important thing here

pixies/jay-z/aaliyah would have all been decent additions (and maybe could have won a bracket?)
plus galled by absence of devo, talkingheads & boredoms

there are tons of good additions and I thought about most of these. people should come up with good subtractions!

are the other divisions active yet?

nah my goal was to not flood new answers, not gonna do more than 1-2 at a time

plus noting that ilm hive mind is kinda guy-centric /= sexisme!

ty. yeah I had basically planned on lex coming to this thread and doing his act.

is there a place i can go that explains how this vote works?

the top of the thread? what's confusing?

what's confusing?

Like, uh, the entire thing?

I forgot some people might not have any idea what march madness is. this is a single round elimination tournament w/ 32 artists that I completely arbitrarily deemed to be ilm canon. to save space, each thread is essentially 4 poll threads at the same time, this one being:

Beach Boys vs. Can
The Notorious B.I.G. vs. ABBA
CCR vs. Rolling Stones
David Bowie vs. Joy Division/New Order

you vote for your particular mix of answers, one of which will be the 16 combinations

Can / Abba seem less ILM canon than the others here; actually would say the same about the Beach Boys. Also, why stink JD/NO together, besides the obv. reason? I love NO & like JD but they're pretty different acts. I'd have voted NO over Bowie (reluctantly) but Bowie over JD by a mile.

voted Beach Boys, The Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order fwiw.

also lol @ "stink"

Ah, got you! Beach Boys vs. Can = that's cruel, man

be *in* the xp

Also, can I really be on the verge of voting for CCR over the Stones?!??!?!?

"doing his act" smh

plus noting that ilm hive mind is kinda guy-centric /= sexisme!

it kinda IS tbh

encore encore

boring zing to go with boring taste

Also, why stink JD/NO together, besides the obv. reason?

not sure if your obv reason is 'they're the same dudes' or 'I was really limited in spots'...but, both. I was asking for recs in the thread that brought this about and that's how they came...it seemed to make sense for the purpose of this poll. maybe if this were 64 I woulda split em up. overall I don't think it's worse than sticking parliament/funkadelic together.

lex, go play on another thread

was just thinking "they're the same dudes" as the obv. reason; I'd have liked to separate them but yeah, limited spots + "just a poll" so obv. no problem.

do polls better

Beach Boys, Biggie, Stones, Bowie

Prince vs. Sabbath is definitely going to be the toughest decision of any of these.

Can, ABBA, CCR, David Bowie

I like this poll idea, iatee. Now we can finally get to the bottom of this.

this was my borderline list btw:

Pavement
Sonic Youth
Roxy Music
Daft Punk
Jay-Z
Aphex Twin
Joni Mitchell
Pixies
Pet Shop Boys

I think they'd all get plenty of votes, but, what to delete?

Beach Boys, The Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, David Bowie

Can vs Beach Boys def hardest for me.

ah i gotcha iatee

out of all these i really only like CCR and B.I.G...

well OK i like the stones too

Can, Abba, Rolling Stones, Bowie

David Bowie vs Joy Division/New Order was the toughest for me.

but fuck the Beach Boys

― The Reverend

proud to call this man my friend

Can, Abba, Rolling Stones, Bowie

I think they'd all get plenty of votes, but, what to delete?

Maybe just buy a copy of Mojo and see who isn't mentioned?

lol Matt DC, high five

Beach Boys, The Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order

― iatee, Tuesday, July 6, 2010

Yep.

― BEAROTAURDED (jjjusten), Tuesday, July 6, 2010

Thirded, the only tough one for me was Stones vs CCR. I went with the Stones whose quantity of quality trumps CCR's quality of quantity.

So how do you decide who advances here? I can imagine two options:

The set of four bands that wins the poll advances.

The four bands with the highest number of votes within their brackets advance.

I'm pretty sure that it is mathematically possible for these two options to yield different results.

its the four bands with the highest number of votes w/in their brackets

Maybe just buy a copy of Mojo and see who isn't mentioned?

lol things lots of people agree on are generally boring and safe omg what a zing

can BIG CCR new order; BIG won in penalty kix

okay inspired by 69 and the world cup I am going to enact a penalty kick system for ties

poll w/ 5 songs by one artist vs. 5 songs by the other

Can, ABBA, Stones, Bowie

Couple of tough choices there, but Can and ABBA weren't among them.

How are you determining the winner of these? Because just allowing the winning combination to go through is a bit flawed, IMO.

Imagine, for instance, a poll with these results:

Beach Boys, Notorious B.I.G., CCR, David Bowie 15
Can, ABBA, Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order 14
Can, ABBA, Rolling Stones, David Bowie 14
Can, ABBA, CCR, Joy Division/New Order 12
Can, ABBA, CCR, David Bowie 10
Can, Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order 9
Can, Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, David Bowie 8
Can, Notorious B.I.G., CCR, Joy Division/New Order 7
Can, Notorious B.I.G., CCR, David Bowie 5
Beach Boys, ABBA, Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order 4
Beach Boys, ABBA, Rolling Stones, David Bowie 4
Beach Boys, ABBA, CCR, Joy Division/New Order 3
Beach Boys, ABBA, CCR, David Bowie 3
Beach Boys, Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order 2
Beach Boys, Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, David Bowie 2
Beach Boys, Notorious B.I.G., CCR, Joy Division/New Order 1

Going by the poll results alone, this would put the Beach Boys, Biggie, CCR, and Bowie through.

However, if you actually count the number of total votes each act got, it looks like this:

Can 79
ABBA 64
Bowie 61
Stones 57
CCR 56
JD/NO 52
Biggie 49
Beach Boys 34

(I suppose there's another configuration that would allow the same quartet at the top but with Joy Division/New Order getting more votes than Bowie. I've already put too much thought into this to figure it out, though.)

he's doing the second thing that you did, the poll's just structured like this so that we don't need 4 separate poll threads

OK good!

poll w/ 5 songs by one artist vs. 5 songs by the other

This will be a trainwreck

I know huh

if someone can think of a better penalty kick system I will consider it, but it has to be:

a. a system where each artist wins x/5 in an arbitrary manner that is basically unrelated to the overall poll
b. trainwrecky

my guess is you'd like the mid-period stuff the most from what you're saying - the period where they were no longer shameless American R&B copyists (really some of that early stuff is SO EGREGIOUS - sometimes good/great, sometimes awful) but before they'd morphed into blues-rock libertines, basically the period where most of their interesting ideas were coming from Brian Jones. Their psych phase is hilarious, but has lots of great tunes.

Prolly. But then if you like "Gimme Shelter"...

so like Their Satanic Majesties Request, then?

Gimme Shelter is a rollicking, unimpeachable piece of aural chemistry that defies its lumpen source material - this shit can't be legislated for

I'd recommend: Aftermath - Between the Buttons - Her Satanic Majesties - Beggar's Banquet

HSM is a goddamn silly record but it has some great stuff on it and is a wonderful mess

Shakey's recs are how I got into them and sidestepped some of the conclusions I'd drawn about them growing up with them as the biggest band on the planet. Maybe also check out "Street Fighting Man" if you like Gimme. Or just enjoy this, the version sung by the original version's "back-up" singer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPx1Zlc0IBU

ah sweet guys, cheers - will give those albums a listen