Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (2010)

Complaining about skits, really y'all?

do they suck? if they do, and they get in the way of shit, then they should be complained about

really what's annoying about them is that they aren't separate tracks that I can delete/skip

i don't even think we need to hit yall with a second verse, but i - i think i just might because i - like to destroy shit

― The Reverend, Thursday, July 1, 2010 3:54 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

this. if the skits were half as awesome/punchy as his rhymes, then i think fewer people would be complaining about them.

speakerboxx showed quite a lot of experimentation btw

i wish big boi could be as deep as "roses really smell like boo-boo" man that was deep

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rev i love that line...reminds me of what dream said a year or so ago in the new yorker about not writing second verses

man cohen is so gangsta

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Hate the hook on "Follow Us" and I'm not crazy about one or two tracks, but fuck me if the rest isn't just completely awesome. Also, I kinda like having the two versions of Shine Blockas - it acts like a "fuck yeah, this again!" reprise.

the opera on Gen Patton is a bit much

I agree – that's the track I had in mind upthread when I said it was cluttered in spots.

"Daddy Fat Stax" hasn't been mentioned, but great proper opener. Accordion on rap songs is always a good idea.

i wish big boi could be as deep as "roses really smell like boo-boo" man that was deep

― Vuvuzola Jesus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, July 1, 2010 4:45 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

real talk

someone lolled at "daddy fat sex" a while back, but yeah, no real mention, and it's great, excellent opener. "sax" though.

"follow us" makes me cringe, but i can't deny it. i mean, i really want to hate the chorus/hook, cuz it seems so objectively awful, but it works for me despite my reservations. have resigned myself to just plain liking it.

and "patton" has to be a joke, right? at least in part. wtf aspect makes the overcluttered ridiculousness a bit easier to take, but yeah, not a favorite.

"lookin at ya" sounds great at the very end

The chorus on "Follow Us" is garbage. Ugh. Can't stand it.

I get that Gen Patton is intentionally over-the-top bombast I think it just goes too far

the opera on Gen Patton is a bit much

― has arlen specter never heard clarence thomas's laugh? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, July 1, 2010 4:10 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

naaaaaah I love Gen. Patton, it's nice to have one bombastic headbanger on the album

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"general patton" sounds like circa-04 dipset but with better rapping, which is a dope thing to sound like imo. i like how the horns lend some subtle funk to it.

Follow us would be preety amazing if they didn't have the surfrider foundation baby-are-you-a-badfish-too allstars singing on it

this record is going to explode my brain when everyone makes me want to hate it by saying stupid things about it on ilx

it is mostly fun, if occasionally a lil weird here& there

tbh i don't think the album is quite as good as most are making it out to be, it's a fun album, but not totally amazing and i feel like "you ain't no dj" aside, i'd already heard the best tracks

haha deej, on release day you should compile the 10 stupidest things said about it on ilx into a listicle

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FOLLOW US

"Tichy, what does it mean that Big Boi doesn't have the "depth" of Andre?"

it means that big boi is more shallow is what it means. i dont recall anyone ever really contesting this until they started to split, and suddenly in collective kneejerk fashion, people started overcompensating for the praise and respect dre3000 got by saying big boi was not just in fact equal, but the better member. or that speakerboxx was better than TLB. im all for backing the underdog, and for backing hip hop made by a member of a RAP group over some bad try-hard prince and p-funk-isms from a guy that for a while thought he was better than rap, but the distance between these guys got pretty big for a while. this new album reminds me that big boi was always seriously fierce as a rapper. but it doesnt make me think that hes NOT better doing stuff like snappin and trappin or gangsta shit (hated that dre3000 line about playing his guitar btw - very annoying 'me so quirky' lyric) than he is doing tracks like unhappy.

overcompensating by backing the guy who can actually make an entire album's worth of listenable music

listenable, but not actually that remarkable. whereas TLB had more standouts. big boi isnt a great producer on his own either, which didnt really help. id still rather hear outkast as a rap group over any of their solo albums tbh, but id take dre 3000 over big bois solo material.

i pretty much think the litmus test for whether you're a rockist should be having to pick between Andre or Big Boi

bullshit.

and its that ridiculous POV that leads people to overhyping big boi.

i don't think we'll see anything as stupid as titchy comparing 'speakerboxxx' to 'wu-tang forever'

whereas TLB had more standouts.

They were "standouts" cuz they were awful!

uh yeah. cos hip hop double albums (albeit one thats separated by the members) are just incomparable.

Dre is a phenomenal rapper but he got less and less interested in what he was best at. He reminds me of Neil Young in the eighties: drifting from genre exercise to exercise, in a perverse attempt to deny his talents.

i dont recall anyone ever really contesting this until they started to split

I suspect you are wrong about this

but id take dre 3000 over big bois solo material.

SLLF combined w/Speakerboxxx is head and shoulders above TLB

lol @ how no one ever mentions/discusses Idlewild. I don't think I ever even listened to the whole thing.

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I bet tickey likes Gnarls Barkley more than Cee-Lo's solo stuff too

Dre is a phenomenal rapper but he got less and less interested in what he was best at. He reminds me of Neil Young in the eighties: drifting from genre exercise to exercise, in a perverse attempt to deny his talents.

― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 1, 2010 10:57 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm, perfect comparison

though hopefully he won't get to his old ways and shocking pinks era

yeah wow @NY comparison Alfred, that's an interesting parallel. something to chew over

I'm not sure the things that drove Neil in the 80s are close to what is driving Andre at this point, but certainly the results are similar. T/S Trans vs Love Below (I might pick Trans tbh)

the distance between these guys got pretty big for a while.

The only time I heard distance was in 2003, when one was thinking more symphonically with arrangements while the other was playing bad guitar and singing in a parched falsetto.

I bet tickey likes Gnarls Barkley more than Cee-Lo's solo stuff too

Goodie Mob w/Cee-Lo better than both imho!

also kudos ilx, it took just a day from us to get from excitement to whiney/titchy bitchfest to "it's really not THAT good" backlash...so efficient

by all means an artist has gotta "stretch" but there's risks. Big Boi stretched modestly: his arrangements and choice of guest artists got more wack; Dre was the flashier one, more interested in sonic impact, but his failures make me question whether he wanted to impress us with how deep his CD collection is.

there are so many problems with The Love Below - it tries really hard to get by on doing a lot, to coast on credit for being all the things it's not (ie a "rap album"), but a lot it fails. Crappy guitar playing, gratuitous drum 'n' bass programming, a serious lack of editing (pretty much every song is several choruses and/or a couple minutes too long), frustratingly simplistic lyrics and hooks. I never want to sit through the whole thing.

On top of that, there isn't much 3000 has done in the 00s besides that. Some cartoon work, a couple shitty movies, a handful of guest verses, and Idlewild. Kinda pathetic.

not to back titchy up but i think some of you guys protest too much re: the love below

im not even talking about the new album so stfu. i like the new one. its cool.

"Dre is a phenomenal rapper but he got less and less interested in what he was best at. He reminds me of Neil Young in the eighties: drifting from genre exercise to exercise, in a perverse attempt to deny his talents."

cant disagree with that. i never listen to speakerboxxx or the love below (though a day in the life is still great) if im honest. my favourite kast song of the last decade is prob mighty o.

"I suspect you are wrong about this"

yes, probably, some disagreed, im sure.

probably you mighty intellects on ilx.

goodie mob with ceelo (ie the first album) is better than gnarls and cee-lo solo. same way outkast is better than dre solo. liked tracks like big ole words but god, a lot of solo cee lo was pretty awful. never want to hear ceelo talking about being a closet freak again.

dude took his guitar for a walk in the park, got lost, never came back

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"im not even talking about the new album so stfu. i like the new one. its cool"

^^this was in response to the whiny post made by missipipi shakedown

i only referred to you as fighting with whiney not backlashing

hey ya is pretty dope still.

I have trouble not viewing 3000's retreat from music as an admission of defeat, as a kind of capitulation. His issues with how hip hop was evolving were front and center and he was clearly growing uncomfortable/uninterested in a lot of hip hop culture, but rather than use his position and prominence to try and reshape or remold things in a different direction, he just gave up and walked away. Which comes off as a cop-out. Hip hop is pretty boundless in terms of the sounds and styles it can accomodate, it's sad that he wouldn't use this to his advantage and instead opt to make a fairly ambitious but also amateurish hodge-podge and then just vanish. Big Boi's approach, by comparison, is so much more inviting and invigorating.

(won't argue that Hey Ya is an amazing track - knocked it out of the park with that. little else on the album comes close though. maybe Dracula's Wedding)