TOMBOT and john justin should not be mods

wait, are you saying you disapprove of posters discussing the moderation of the board?

oh hay i 've been there, forks!

USA apple pie empanada is aces.

are you saying you disapprove of posters discussing the moderation of the board?

No.

the church WAS an interesting board xpost

-- darraghmac, Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

*arches eyebrow*

mods closing ranks + rhetoric + obfuscation. a tried and tested formula.

fwiw what dom said on that thread was way worse than mere "meta snidiness"

http://www.festivalsupplies.co.uk/images/breakfast.jpg

That looks foul. The parsley looks slightly embarassed.

I don't even know what this is between the bacon and the fried bread.

Reading some of this thread, you'd get the impression that Tom and John seem to spend all their time dominating other posters, and that they do it for no reason other than spite, machismo and drunkenness. This is bullshit.

There's an example upthread of perception vs reality. Adrian complains about Tom and John being moderators. Tom points out that if it wasn't for the fact that he unbanned Adrian, Adrian wouldn't be able to raise this. Adrian responds that Tom banned him in the first place. The whole story isn't being told here, though, is it? Nobody mentions that Tom didn't just ban Adrian for no reason, Adrian was baiting other posters in a really obnoxious way. Nor does anybody mention that Tom took the time to have an email dialog with Adrian about this before unbanning him from the site*. I've seen Tom do stuff like this loads of times since we added him as a sitewide mod, he gets no credit for the time he spends thinking about & acting on shit like this, people just bitch at him because his low tolerance for meta snidery is expressed in more upfront terms than mine or Matt's or whoever & say he's drunk. Believe me this shit fucks me off just as much at it does Tom &/or John. Just because I don't post in the same way as Tom does doesn't mean I don't feel the same way about it. I'm really fucking sick of seeing the same people tossing out the same meta snide bitchery, and seeing people cheer them on, often from the "safety" of the private board. It's fucking truly pathetic juvenile behaviour, and it's been escalating over the last few weeks. Some people need to cut it the fuck out, and a bunch of other people need to learn the difference between "mischievous" and "malicious" and act acordingly. I'm too pissed off about this to adeqately express how I feel about it. Never in my life have I seen a board or list which trolls itself like this one does. I just don't get it.

The short version I guess is if a few people cut out acting like dicks and a few more people stopped cheering on their worst tendencies & cut out the drama queenery then I'm pretty sure that the alleged "problem" with Tom would certainly cease being a "problem" very quickly.

(*not getting at you here Ade, yr a funny guy w/an unusual outlook & i like you, but you were way out of line baiting those ppl like that)

poll it

-- blueski, Thursday, 28 August 2008 01:58 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Link

er, duh! like DEMOCRAZY is ever an answer!

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=63&threadid=1208

the church WAS an interesting board xpost

-- darraghmac, Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

*arches eyebrow*

-- special guest stars mark bronson, 28 August 2008 14:56 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

woah, woah- i meant before it was 'the church'. anyway, how would i know, i'm banned.

lol Matt you're so right, i'm sorry. i don't know what that is next to the "bacon" either!

this is a little better
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/369538179_6e08629184.jpg?v=0

oops also

ADMIN POLL: IMPORTANT VOTE

The short version I guess is if a few people cut out acting like dicks and a few more people stopped cheering on their worst tendencies & cut out the drama queenery then I'm pretty sure that the alleged "problem" with Tom would certainly cease being a "problem" very quickly.

I agree! And I think people need to stop encouraging the drama by starting intentionally provocative clusterfuck threads! Including poster "El Tomboto"!

this one is a bit better

http://www.londondailypicture.com/images/october_2007/english-breakfast-blackpudding-min.jpg

woah, woah- i meant before it was 'the church'. anyway, how would i know, i'm banned.

-- darraghmac, Thursday, 28 August 2008 16:09 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Ah come on now, you deserved it, you can't just go round pointing out the small number of posts on a board willy-nilly

The short version I guess is if a few people cut out acting like dicks and a few more people stopped cheering on their worst tendencies & cut out the drama queenery then I'm pretty sure that the alleged "problem" with Tom would certainly cease being a "problem" very quickly.

I agree! And I think people need to stop encouraging the drama by starting intentionally provocative clusterfuck threads! Including poster "El Tomboto"!

-- Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:12 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

hoos

ADMIN: This is not a democracy

we have done this a few times before.

curtis, why so disingenuous? you seem to love encouraging the posters who love to stir up the most trouble

what trouble do I encourage?

ilx dirty little secret: the problem posters are often the best posters

WAHT A BORD @ DO??!??!!

ilx dirty little secret: the problem posters are often the best posters

ain't true in the slightest!

lol^

we used to have have an admin log in old ILX for years, and I can't remember it ever causing any problems

jesus h christ. you're saying that because we had an admin log nobody ever started complaint threads about people they liked getting banned?

uh, no, I was wondering what the basis was for keith's objection to an admin log. maybe you should cut back on the caffeine consumption?

anyway, glad to hear an admin log's in the works. thx guys!

blueski i don't even like mushrooms and that looks pretty, pretty good

thanks surm, 'preciate it

i think ice craem is wrong too

booooring

this horrifically malicious thread everyone's talking about is making me curious but I'm philosophically opposed to private borads so I guess I'll just have to wonder

booooring or obnooooxious. that's the choice.

uh, no, I was wondering what the basis was for keith's objection to an admin log. maybe you should cut back on the caffeine consumption?

you do know my comment was directed to tuomas and not you right?

what trouble do I encourage?

-- Curt1s Stephens, Friday, August 29, 2008 1:19 AM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

i've never read 77 so i can't speak for that, but to me you've always come across very supportive of many of the posters the mods have had trouble with, now and in the past. i have no personal beef with you, but i don't really understand where you're coming from sometimes with regards to this board

booooring or obnooooxious. that's the choice.

-- blueski, Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:25 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

troo

mods have decided for us which one shall prevail

this horrifically malicious thread everyone's talking about is making me curious but I'm philosophically opposed to private borads so I guess I'll just have to wonder

-- Edward III, Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:24 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

- tombot starts thread saying let's have a thread for all the awful, terrible, etc., "meta people", kind of inviting the meta in.
- meta ensues
- in the fracas, dom got banhammered, in a suicide-by-cop stylee
- more meta ensues

can think of a number of posters who manage to be boring and obnoxious all at once.

Just because I like funny posts by certain people doesn't mean I like the not-funny immature stuff they do that ppl get pissed off about. Dom deserved his tempban (and I'm sure he fully expected it), what he said was inexcusable and not funny.

don't forget creepy xp

well i lold

I just happen to think that Tombot is also occasionally guilty of stirring shit & inventing new drama & generally not keepin it positive

fair enough xposts

EVERYONE is occasionally guilty of stirring shit and inventing new drama and generally not keeping it positive. That's a fact of life. The issue at hand here is whether John and Tom do it as often as the people who are getting hit with temp bans. Obviously, some people think they do and some people think they don't. Unfortunately, among the people who think they don't are the people who control/run the site; THEY are the ones you need to convince, not ILX in general. Furthermore, if your argument is based upon the fact that they banned posters that have been complained about by multiple people over an extended period of time, you are not going to be very convincing, particularly when some of these bans actually have nothing to do with them (gershy being a great example here).

If people are going to go out of their way to act like douchebags towards people with the power to ban them, they shouldn't be surprised and shocked when those people say "enough is enough" and ban them. It's not fucking rocket science. It's not really fair, either, but neither is life. Deal with it.

i've never read 77 so i can't speak for that, but to me you've always come across very supportive of many of the posters the mods have had trouble with, now and in the past. i have no personal beef with you, but i don't really understand where you're coming from sometimes with regards to this board

-- electricsound, Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:25 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is pretty weak!!! it seems to me like a lot of the mods are hiding behind "well ive never read 77 so im just going to assume that everything there is horrible cruel meta" when roughly 20% of it is meta and less than 5% is horrible or cruel

Dan I think tombot is a good mod and my posts aren't really about ppl getting banned - my issue is that Tombot (as a poster, not even as a mod) is egging on the people who are "going out of their way" to act like douchebags.

also calling mods out when they make lame decisions != being "very supportive" of any poster

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did you ask before using?

Did you Ask Before Using!?

lol xp

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