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Mr. Monetizing Eyeballs, did you ever get my address in your e-mail?

(I don't mean to bug you, but my e-mail account is kind of unreliable, so there's a real chance you didn't.)

(Unfortunately, the post office has also been unreliable lately.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Rockist...can you send me you e-address too? i have something to ask you re Oum K that is not for here.

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay. This address should work, except I forgot the password. :( I am going to have to write them down.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

so its fine to email you but you won't be able to read it???

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

If I can't recover the password, I will e-mail you.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

RS, yes, I did get your address. It came through loud and clear. Unfortunately, the only thing possibly less reliable than your email account is my timeliness when it comes to burning CDs (just ask Julio...) But rest assured, I will get it out to you!

Reed Moore (diamond), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't get my September Harper's either.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

:(

Reed Moore (diamond), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
http://www.strangechord.com/potd/umm.jpg

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm listening again to Riad el-Sounbatti's own recording of his composition Roubaiyat el Khayam, which throws Oum Kalthoum's performance (which is hard for me to forget while listening to this song) into sharp contrast. Riad el-Sounbatti is a pleasant enough singer, but remembering what Oum Kalthoum does with certain lines he is singing practically makes me giddy. (Of course, I also remembmer some of the orchestra parts (notably the kanun at the very beginning) in this performance limited to oud and vocals.) But because el-Sounbatti's performance fails to compare to Oum Kalthoum's, it makes me appreciate him more as a composer for Oum Kalthoum.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

And Songlines is going to have a beginner's guide in their next issue. It better be good. It better be someone who knows at least as much as I do (not that I'm making myself available for hire).

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The live recording of "Hazihi Leylati" appears to be available on CD again! Awwww yeaaaaaah! I'll say more once I actually get it, but I've just ordered it. As I've mentioned above, this is my favorite among the Abdel Wahab songs she sang, and one of a handful of favorites in her late career output.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

If you can call that great sprawling Egyptian prog. opera of a song a "song."

(And I just got the contract ratification bonus check today. Wheeee! And I took some decongestant because I'm getting a sinus infection! Wheeeee!)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

(You know they kind of bribe you with bonus checks. "Well, we're taking this and this away from you, so you'll have less long term, but here's a few hundred bucks.")

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

decongestant usually puts me to sleep!

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link

It's still just the studio version of Hazihi Leylati, so back it goes.

gaz, you can e-mail me at my new normal ILX e-mail address: oumtransmissions@go.com. I have even written down my password.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

It's very disappointing that the two best Oum Kalthoum recordings of Abdel Wahab songs do not appear to be available on CD.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

btw, RS did ya get my e-mail?

H (Heruy), Thursday, 28 October 2004 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

No. You sent it to my current address? The other one is dead.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I was looking through the NPR Curious Listener's Guide to World Music yesterday and they surprised me by recommending an Oum Kalthoum recording that is from the 30s rather than the 60s, and by Dawoud Hasni, rather than by Abdel Wahab, Baligh Hamdi, or Riad el-Sounbatti. As far as I know, I haven't heard this song.

I also saw yesterday that Women's Voices Across Musical Worlds has an article on the subject of this thread by Virginia Danielson, which looked like a really good compact introduction to Oum Kalthoum.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 31 December 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

is that last title a book?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 31 December 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, they are both books. I don't remember much about who else was in it.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
"Salo Qalbi": She can't even get the first line out completely because the audience is so happy to see her again that they drown her out with applause.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

The January/February issue of Songlines has an introduction to Oum Kalthoum. There's not enough meat to it for me to really find much to complain about. It still bugs me that Abdel Wahab is the composer mentioned as her close associate when they didn't start collaborating until the 60s and it was Riad el Sounbatti who was the real major compositional genius that contributed to making Oum Kalthoum's opus what it was. I wish there were more of an attempt in this to describe what she does as a singer, rather than repeating the legend about the legend around the legend.

Recommended recordings:

Why is Al Atlal so often the recommended CD? Why that as the only one-song CD they recommend? Why recommend the 5 volume EMI collection of early material? Why bypass the core of her greatest work: the late 30s through the early 60s?

I paid over ten dollars for this issue of Songlines, so I could complain about this?

(Songlines is really lightweight. Despite it's frequent mediocrity, I think The Beat's coverage of the "world music" that it covers, which probably wouldn't include Oum Kalthoum, is better.)

Geez, I think the Oum Kalthoum intro. that appeared in Global Rhythms was better than this (but that's by the same author who wrote that NPR guide mentioned above, and I get the impression that he's spent some time listening to Oum Kalthoum.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Songlines does earn points for the inset where they recommend the Asmahan Legends of the 20th Century CD.

Actually, Songlines is pretty good for reviews. It's the articles that are usually a let-down.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Umm Kulthum has been a significant influence on a number of musicians, both in the Arab world and beyond. Among others, Jah Wobble has claimed her as a significant influence on his work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Kulthum

Jah Wobble? He's worth mentioning in a capsule biography of Umm Kulthum? (Did Natacha Atlas write this?)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Umm Kulthum is undoubtedly the most famous and recognized person in the History of the Middle East.

http://www.lorenlarsen.com/joanna/ummbio.htm

I think Mohammed might just be a little better known.

She did not use musical scores, she simply sang a few simple lines over and over altering them as her heart saw fit.

She didn't read scores while performing, but her works were probably all pre-composed. The lines might have generally been fairly simple, but some of the lyrics were considered to be very challenging poetry.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
http://iraqimusic.com/pictures/um%20kalthoum%20in%20iraq%201932.jpg

Oum Kalthoum in Iraq, 1932. (That's what the website said anyway.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
http://www.sis.gov.eg/umm/images/hb2.jpg

Oum Kalthoum's villa.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

BOOM, the GLASSES.

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
please ,
iwant to have the songs of this greatest artist in order to lesten to it.
I love oumkalthoum so much.

Thanks

amina marref, Monday, 7 November 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I never even saw that message before.

"The greatest ever singer in the world"--Rabih Abou Khalil (quoted in Songlines, Jan/Feb 2006).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
two weeks pass...
Nice clip from Al Atlal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtWvmD9A2RA

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 13 August 2006 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks, r.s. i wonder if i could find some of the better material you recommend above on one of the bourgeoning mp3 blogs...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't been looking lately. Maybe we can arrange something?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

sure--email me and tell me if you're looking for anything!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
I like Rachid Taha's comments in his recent "Invisible Jukebox" interview in The Wire. He immediately calls Nahj El Borda (I think it was) "psychedelic." I hear it that way too, but not everyone knows what I'm talking about when I say this or that Arabic thing sounds "psychedelic."

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:18 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I had a dream that Oum Kalthoum was still alive and that she sang at some sort of ceremony dedicating a religious site (also somehow connected to my job in the dream). She was singing together with some other people, including one of my co-workers. Somehow I wasn't involved and didn't get to meet her, but I told someone in the dream that Oum Kalthoum's career had started in 1910 (not necessarily true, but I don't remember off-hand) and wasn't it amazing that she was still going (in 2007).

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link

My dreams are so self-parodic!

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

The beginning of "Baid Anak" is now up on youtube. (There are other parts up too. I haven't checked to see if it is a complete concert. The CD copy of this is quite long, and even it, I think, leaves off a portion of the instrumental intro. here, though I haven't listened for a while, so I'm not positive.) This opening passage is one of my favorite Oum Kalthoum performances (and it's from relatively late in her career). Notice how she totally works off the one possibly overzealous audience member who calls out (around 4:26ish) and just takes everything deeper. This is absolute must-see if you are remotely interested in Oum Kalthoum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl0g6dXIsqQ

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Performing "Al Atlal" in Paris:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy_24rwXlKA

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 04:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Another "Al Atlal"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLmDUk4g7xg

(This was something she performed very heavily in her international touring at one point in the 60s. Not like I was there, alas.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link

This is pretty amazing (one-hand oud solo version of "Inta Omri"):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRvcIwKL2fI

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Interesting. This Kuwaiti audience behaves more like a western audience than maybe any other audience I've seen/heard in an Oum Kalthoum live recording.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 12:52 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

another victim of ilx2 thread title truncation

Lingbert, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, it's sad. What is it with people reviving my old threads today? (Not complaining, it's just weird.)

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link

If only ILX could do Arabic script - then we would only need one version of her name.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 November 2007 13:12 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Hey Rockist Scientist or someone, can you date/rate these two new eMusic acquisitions....?

http://www.emusic.com/album/Oum-Kalthoum-Oz-Kourini-MP3-Download/11174931.html

http://www.emusic.com/album/Oum-Kalthoum-Oud-Kourini-MP3-Download/11174968.html

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link


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