'Children of Men', the new Alfonso Cuaron sci-fi flick

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Oh man...imagine a Warren Commission-approved magic bullet that would have taken out Nicole Kidman too!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a 60ish couple next to me who asked before the film who was in it. The man was very excited about JM; during the end credits, he said it "certainly wasn't a very good use" of her.

As for glamour, her teeth weren't capped.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw it this past weekend. Spectacular movie. No, it ain't a "brilliant" movie, intellectually or philosophically speaking. In fact, on those levels, it's an unapologetically and even proudly middlebrow action-metaphor. But given that playing field, it's rich, brave, smart, staggeringly well-constructed, and it delivers surprisingly rich emotional payoff. I felt grief-stricken through most of the second half of the film (not at Breaking the Waves levels, but still), and more than a little bombed-out the next day. It haunted me.

I mean, it's a (mostly) non-cheeseball metaphor about the endurance/function of hope in a seemingly hopeless world. And that's an incredible feat in itself. And I don't know that I've ever seen a movie that depicted the horrors of war as being so emotionally horrible. So desperately sad and gut-wrenchingly brutal at the same time. The movie basically seems to argue that modern life is a collective failure of imagination, compassion and humanity.

And I think that's why it's being "dumped" in the U.S. It's a withering indictment of American foreign policy (check the Abu Ghraib/Guantanamo scene at the entrance to the 'fugee camp), and it ultimately asks you to sympathize with terrorists. Or terrorists-by-association, at least. It's everything V for Vendetta promised and failed to deliver. Subversive, brave, smart and furiously engaged.

Best movie I've seen in the theater in ages.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It totally blew my mind when it ended.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that's why it's being "dumped" in the U.S.

This may be changing -- full page ads running in NY papers, and it was #3 ($10.3 million) this weekend in going wide. The critics may have rescued this one, but we'll see if it has legs.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

it's certainly not being dumped in the US, there are television ads for it all the time

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"This may be changing -- full page ads running in NY papers, and it was #3 ($10.3 million) this weekend in going wide. The critics may have rescued this one, but we'll see if it has legs."

That's nice to hear.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

J Hoberman took opening such a 'tough' film in a few cities on Christmas week as a sign that the studio had little confidence, but the reviews were great and the seats filled.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

At the screening I attended on Friday night the theater was three-quarters full. The crowd was comprised of twentysomethings and seniors, most of whom gasped and groaned aloud during the expected moments. Scattered applause at the end.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

If it's getting the big push, I stand (humbly, gratefully) corrected. I don't have a TV, so I dunno how it's being promoted, but the lobby poster looks like a deliberate attempt to sink it commercially.

That said, there wasn't a single empty seat in the house when I saw it on Friday night.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't studios routinely open "thinky" yet good movies small at the very end of the year, so that they can be eligible for Oscars? As far as getting a push now goes, any movie that does better in weekend 2 than weekend 1 will surely get more screens?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, but the ads were scarce when it opened here, presumably cuz it didn't get any critic prizes. Hoberman:


this superbly crafted action thriller is being treated like a communicable disease.

Ever sensitive to buzz, critics have gotten the message and are steering clear. When the New York Film Critics Circle met last week, Children of Men got only a handful of votes, mainly for Emmanuel Lubezki's sensational cinematography. Earlier this month, The New York Times imagined Academy members in surgical scrubs, with a "news analysis" noting the unusual goriness of the year's Oscar contenders: The Departed, Flags of Our Fathers, Blood Diamond, Apocalypto, and The Last King of Scotland. A more resonant and gripping movie than any of these, Children of Men wasn't even mentioned.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

blood diamond is an oscar contender? didn't it get terrible reviews across the board and sink commercially?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

and I'm assuming dreamgirls is the biggest oscar contender and I don't think there's any gore in that.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Admit it: you thought she was never sexier than when trying to whisper through a hole in her throat.

I did think that she'd never looked better than in the scene in the newspaper hut. Moore should walk around with a big halogen light next to her all the time.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link


Not "terrible across the board," but the NYT article he refers to was from early Dec, when BD was a perceived contender. Things come and go so quickly, as we know.

Dreamgirls is not part of the particular equation being addressed there (melisma is the musical equivalent of gore).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I am kinda confused that critics thought it was being buried. How do you tell the difference between something being "dumped on Xmas Day" and all the artsy / big Oscar buzz movies that open small right before the calendar turns, just to be eligible?

saw this on Friday, if it counts as a 2006 movie it was my favorite movie of 2006

dmr (Renard), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I just chalked it up to Rosenbaum-y whining on Hoberman's part. There's a difference in pushing something back and opening it on Christmas Day vs. just dumping it on a normal Friday.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

opening on Xmas actually kinda works with the themes of the movie! A CHILD IS BORN

dmr (Renard), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

To speak for a moment to the discussion way upthread about the Fugee(go 'head, Clef)/soldier reaction to the baby and the overt religious overtones inherent in its presentation:

At various times in the first third of the movie, mention is made of a upsurgence of people joining radical end-of-the-world Christian organizations in response to mankind's infertility; I think it is safe to extrapolate that there would be a coincedent upsurgence of people joining other religions, Christian or otherwise. The two soldiers who drop to their knees and cross themselves strike me as a confirmation of this assumption.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

This film is incredible.

One of the things I loved was how unobtrosive the long uncut scenes were. They weren't showy so they managed to bring a sense of immediacy and naturalness to the film. I was increasingly drawn into this film. It was so physical and the narrative was a simple alegory, but the details were beautiful.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

amazing, amazing film. between this and pan's labyrinth, mexico totally owns lately.

2 things:

1. anyone care to speculate on cuaron's preoccupation w/ feet?
2. "marichka" (pronounced, best i can remember, as "marika") = america? or is that a stretch?

m@p (plosive), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

feet and dogs. there were a loty of dogs in this movie. when i go see irt again i'm going to pay more attention to the dogs from start to finish.

mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

1. anyone care to speculate on cuaron's preoccupation w/ feet?

I wonder how Bunuel would have answered this.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Mahalo:

Pay attention to the animals from start to finish. Cows, dogs, cats, chickens, sheep, etc. The movie is so full of domestic animals it might as well be Ukranian.

They humanize the film, keeping your attention focused on the small, the fragile, the protectable and unprotected. Like the baby, they draw the line between ... not good and evil, really, but between life and anti-life.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

A friend who saw it 2x says it's clear that America is gone.

I guess a pet explosion is inevitable in an infertile world (why the FDA just approved a weight-loss drug for dogs in our world, I'm not sure).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll look if I see it again, but I thought it was just New York that was gone. Doesn't Owen ask Moore in a significant way if (someone) was in New York?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, i suspect a nuclear explosion (but it's unclear).

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

There's an almost subliminal shot of a mushroom cloud over Manhattan in one of the 'England endures' propaganda bits.

chap (chap), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Got the impression that America is not gone, but that it's been decimated, fallen into barbarism or suchlike. Chap and Andrew are right: there is a shot of a mushroom cloud over Manhattan in one of those propaganda bumpers and a later implication that anyone who was in New York was killed.

The three-years-ongoing war of Seattle is also mentioned at some point. The idea isn't that America is "gone", but rather that it's no longer a functioning semi-first-world nation.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

adam:

i have drawn the line between reading your posts and ignoring them.

xp

mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

anyone care to speculate on cuaron's preoccupation w/ feet?

Is there more than the shot of Clive Owen trying on the flip-flops?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

(I do remember thinking that he lingered on them for a long time, though.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Mahalo:

I think yr. not alone in that. Not sure why you felt compelled to point the fact out to me. Thanks anyway.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Doesn't Owen ask Moore in a significant way if (someone) was in New York?

Yes and it's killing me trying to remember who it was.

Also, I completely forget, but was the issue of the baby in the picture of Theo & whatever JM's character's name was ever adressed again? Was that picture more than 18 years old/was that baby born AFTER "baby Diego"?

stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I officially HAVE to see this movie again.

stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick, I believe it was said that their child was born "20 years ago." (Michael Caine tells the story of Theo and Julian's past to Miriam and Kee.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

was the issue of the baby in the picture of Theo & whatever JM's character's name was ever adressed again?

yes, by michael caine and at the end when Kee names the baby dylan!

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there more than the shot of Clive Owen trying on the flip-flops?

TONS. there's the one of the bottom of owen's feet as he's reclining on strawberry cough, some shots of him walking through the puddles in london, him going out into the mud in his socks at the revolutionaries' hideaway, a handful where he's soaking his feet after various ordeals, the one where he cuts his foot on something sharp after bricking syd between the door, plus polish dude gives him shoes near the end. there's some sort of footwear/preparedness parallel happening here.

also, re: the animals, i just kind of assumed it was what morbs said: their presence the natural byproduct of barren humans' need to parent. i suppose if you wanted to get super-allegorical you could make some sort of noah parallel too, what with the rowboat and that, but that'd be a little much. i did sort of assume that the animals were drawn to theo caused they sensed his paternal past though.

m@p (plosive), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I remember a couple of those shots now. I just read an interview with Owen where he said that Cuaron insisted upon the flip-flops as a way of enforcing the anti-heroism of the character.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Moore's parents were in New York.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link

come to think of it there's a lot of focus put on owen's clothes in general. like when dude at the hideaway asks him what to do about the blood stains on his suit and he's all "throw it away" and ends up changing into raggedy hand me down duds from the compound, or the bit where he's wearing a 2012 london olympics sweatshit courtesy jesper, or how he lays down his coat for kee to have the baby.

totally need to see this again!

m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

also, duh, i just clued into the double meaning of "children of men"

m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

which is???

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

children borne by men vs. men made into children

m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you are completely wrong in assuming this movie somehow supported Floydism. I think it shows that both Pink Floyd and the Aphex Twins extremism exists and neither of them is a solution. It also seems to imply that Aphex Twins extremism will only lead to more Pink Floyd extremism. Bon Jovi maybe a medium where everyone can coexist peacefully, but a world without Pink Floyd or the Aphex Twins is not a viable option. I think it preaches moderation, like Pink Floyd songs that are not as trippy and meandering and Aphex Twins songs that are not as schizophrenic and loud. All in all, it truly reflects a lot about the musical world we live in.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

SPOILER:

Occurs to me that in making the pregnant woman & baby (Dylan, eventually) unique on earth and thus the hope for all of humanity, the film forces us to look at the world through a parent's eyes. It's basically a movie about having kids in a horribly inhospitable world.

Even as childless viewers, we see man's inhumanity to man as sickeningly absurd, insane folly with astronomical stakes. This where most war and action movies, even the most high-minded ones, tend to trivialize death and suffering by making them seem like a necessary product of something else.

Again, I think this is one of the reasons the film includes so much animal footage. It's easy to feel parental/sentimental about cute animals. By inducing this kind of parental anxiety in the viewer, the film adds weight to the threats and condemnations of its final act.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Just saw it again - it's a tragedy that Michael Caine has zero chance of a Best Supporting Oscar nomination. The last scene with him and his wife is heart-breaking.

Walking baby Bazooka out of the the tenement still makes me tear up. There are very few films with the sense of decency and humanity on display here.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Would've liked to spend a little more time in London 2027 before going to the country/Kosovo(Bexhill).

Thought the cars were absolutely spot-on. Twenty years from now there'll be the same Renault Megane, Suzuki Swift and a fucking Toyota Corolla, but with rubber crap and sensors and the front and useless little warnings telling you an "impact" is imminent that flash up on the windscreen.

S- (sgh), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link

and Danny Huston will still have a bitching Jag.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link


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