TOMBOT and john justin should not be mods

how many would have to feel this way for some sort of action to be taken?

we put forth some rules and a few - very few - posters made their choice not to heed them. john justen and I are the GOOD cops around these parts. if you think you're going to get a more sympathetic approach from stet (who manages the domain, the hardware all the backstairs bullshit that keeps this up), keith (who wrote the fucking code that allows all of this to happen) or Pash (who tolerates all this garbage as the essential godfather), nevermind Ned or Matt DC or electric Jim, you're barking up the RONG 2 motherfucking tree

but thanks for providing another thread for the usual suspects to talk shit on, a healthy debate between libertarians and republicans is fundamental to a strong society

i would just like to comment that it's very clearly John JustEn

that's an e

"a lot of posters" is a lot of bullshit

and you chumps need to get along with the idea of the temp ban - four whole fucking days ain't a goddamn death sentence, I know you kids wish you lived in an Orwell novel so your existence had some meaning but it just ain't so

yeah i guess one caveat is that, since i only pay attn to a handful of boards on here, i have no idea what the state of moderation across the site is like. i just assumed u guys modded everything, idk~

btw I also want to take away your guns and raise your taxes

ok well he summed up how i feel.

i like you tom.

i just think you let emotions/alcohol/I'M A BADASS COWBOY get in the way of being the good cop you think you are.

see, i'm already doing a worse job putting it into words that ade :-\

dude it's cool, it's just we catch a lot of shit because both JJ and I are always taking credit for our actions, and tend to be a bit smarmy - that's a fact - but you can always e-mail either of us, or any of the mods, and try to figure a way out of being semibanned. Ethan and Dom took the bait today, I got sick of the meta on 77 and decided maybe I'd play their game, see who wins. Temps for both, they'll be back by Monday. I'm glad that you've seen fit to come back and comport yourself more appropriately; this ain't the SA forums, this ain't 4chan, etc. I just want people to get along. I'd have chaki back if he wasn't such a prick.

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I like you gr80 but do you really love this country?

yes and this board.

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i think tom and john are fair moderators, the difference between them is the way in which they interact with the other posters. when john wants to assert his authority, more often than not he does so respectfully. im pretty sure he was the first person to respond to my call to have the church mods stripped of their mod rights, and even though i was trolling he still gave me a clearheaded and reasoned response.

tom on the other hand either talks down to us, posts a hueg manifesto and dramatically locks the thread or makes threads like the one that started this whole fiasco

dude it's cool, it's just we catch a lot of shit because both JJ and I are always taking credit for our actions, and tend to be a bit smarmy - that's a fact - but you can always e-mail either of us, or any of the mods, and try to figure a way out of being semibanned.

fair enough-

its true that you guys ANNOUNCE bans when other mods don't.

maybe a non-anonymous admin log would help this situation???????

there was a fiasco and i didn't even know about it. sometimes i wonder if i'm really living.

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if dom weren't banned at the mo I'm sure he'd be along to post "dangerously meta" about now, so I'll do it for him

I'm serious, I think a small number of posters have concerns, and I will be glad to respond to them personally via e-mail or frankly fuck it this thread can suffice as a forum

Jordan is right and my thread on Curtis Borad today was a bit of arrogant shit-talk, perhaps, but I don't necessarily feel it was out of line, I started it to make a point that 77 was turning into another lame meta hangout for a few folks to dish gossipy "this guy!" shit instead of, you know, trying to engage anyone in discussion.

was 77 really getting to that point though? i think it was just that one thread. i think fools mostly keep it positive.

tbh i thot the 77 thread ended up pretty funny even tho it was sort of s hitty thing to start

I'm serious, I think a small number of posters have concerns, and I will be glad to respond to them personally via e-mail or frankly fuck it this thread can suffice as a forum

I dunno, how many times can you play the "vocal minority" card with how many people in how many situations before it starts to ring false? Personally, I don't hang w/ or talk to many people here offboard, am moderately cliquish with the people I do know, and have historically ignored or stayed out of a lot of board drama. But I think it's pretty clear that for the past year or two, your contentious role as a mod has been one of the major 'narratives' of this board that almost everyone here is aware of. It's a big fucking elephant in the room. I don't know if putting it to a vote or starting more threads about it is the answer, but you brushing it off every time like "I'm the best mod you've got, whether you know it or not" or "the powers to be asked me to be a mod and I'm just doing my duty, guys, it's not like I can just be a poster here and not moderate!" hasn't really worked either.

well then, take it up with somebody else other than me.
As I said prior, good fucking luck.

But I think it's pretty clear that for the past year or two, your contentious role as a mod has been one of the major 'narratives' of this board that almost everyone here is aware of.

i don't think this is true. tom (and now to a lesser extent john) is just the most visible of all the mods and they get 100% of the flack directed at "mods" as a whole

if you're not happy with your internet experience here on ILX, there are many other options, like blogspot comments, gawker comments, slashdot and the list goes fucking on

at some point you either get on the fucking boat or you fucking get off. as I recall, nobody's ever banned you personally, and the opinions that are getting "censored" amount to "so and so's a predictable fuck!" which yeah uh I dunno pretty much every poster can say that about every other fucking poster. So I'm not sure what you think you're missing, unless you like feeling like a proxy martyr, in which case, oh, well, I can't think of anything more lame to label you with.

lol xpost to everyone but what the fuck ever
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But I think it's pretty clear that for the past year or two, your contentious role as a mod has been one of the major 'narratives' of this board that almost everyone here is aware of.

i don't think this is true. tom (and now to a lesser extent john) is just the most visible of all the mods and they get 100% of the flack directed at "mods" as a whole

-- electricsound, Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:04 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I dunno, maybe that's true. But I've been here 7 years, and I was scarcely aware of who the mods were, what they were doing and what flaps, if any, were going on as a result of their actions for most of the first 5. Maybe that says more about me than the board as a whole, though.

I've never been banned and a don't necessarily think every banned poster is the victim of some kind of travesty. But Tom keeps saying (sorry for all the made up paraphrases) "it's a small number of people protesting, and it's the same jackasses who keep getting themselves banned," so one of the reasons I tend to speak up is to contradict that.

1. "its just a tempban" is a bullshit defense for bad/drunk modding
2. tombot broadcasts a certain pleasure in banning/locking and i think ppl would prefer a "this hurts me more than it hurts you" approach
3. john justen gave me a PREEMPTIVE BAN i.e. i did nothing

what is the problem w/ an admin log again??

1. "its just a tempban" is a bullshit defense for bad/drunk modding

if it's for a good reason it doesn't need a defense

1. "its just a tempban" is a bullshit defense for bad/drunk modding

i can't bring any examples to mind, but then i have never read 77

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i ask that question because i can think of more than 1 example where i was temp banned & i still have no fucking clue who did it or even nececssarily why, which seems kind of stupid, like i said something to tombot about it on a thread once because he was the guy i was having an exchange w/ before i got tempd & he was like dude ive never banned you ???

ive also tried to ilxmail john justen once & it either didnt go thru or he didnt reply

if you're not happy with your internet experience here on ILX, there are many other options, like blogspot comments, gawker comments, slashdot and the list goes fucking on

at some point you either get on the fucking boat or you fucking get off.

I don't see why this shouldn't cut both ways. If you don't like the way your judgement gets questioned here all the time, I'm sure there's an IDM or computer code or military or sci-fi message board out there that would be happy to let you moderate with impunity. Why do you speak like you've always been a moderator, always will be and it's beyond discussion, or like if you weren't, another mod behave exactly like you, otherwise there'd be chaos and panic in the streets?

i've TB'd you once deez, probably for being a dick

i just dont get what would be so hard about a concise log that says like "MOD ACTION: X BECAUSE: Y EVIDENCE: Z or something

can we ask about admin log here w/o getting threads locked?

test

-- chaki, Thursday, June 7, 2007 9:29 PM

1. "its just a tempban" is a bullshit defense for bad/drunk modding
2. tombot broadcasts a certain pleasure in banning/locking and i think ppl would prefer a "this hurts me more than it hurts you" approach
3. john justen gave me a PREEMPTIVE BAN i.e. i did nothing

-- gr8080, Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:21 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

OTM

nb I think Tombot should still be a mod (no comment on JJ)

wow jj has really come into his own as a mod recently huh a month and a half ago when i went on vacation im pretty sure no really knew abt his powerz

anyway i have a point to make: bitching abt tombot and tombot bitching is the new meta. in trying to quell the difficulty it was exacerbated. only worse. actually its been going on so long its the old new meta. not sure what the new meta is.

jeez sorry guys apparently my 2 HUEG CONTRAVERSIAL temp bans have made me quite the unpopular fellow around these parts.

wtf ever, sitewide modding is a thankless bullshit job that leads to people i used to get along with around here being fucking dicks to me, start a poll and vote me off the island already.

i don't remember this sort of reaction the half dozen times bo jackson overdrive got temp'd

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john you're the most fair and balanced mod

I like you John! I just can't really pass judgment on your modding because I don't know what you've done other than tempban gr80

yeah well fuck it its boring, id rather go back to talking shit freely and not worrying about it. i will miss changable username tho.

fair enough-

its true that you guys ANNOUNCE bans when other mods don't.

maybe a non-anonymous admin log would help this situation???????

Grady, I've written an admin log, but for the reasons we discussed ages ago, I will never never never write an admin log that shows who did the action. I don't think admin log is a good idea anyway; my opinion is that it will create more of the above nonsense rather than less; we'll see, I guess. But given that I know you're not the type that's going to cause off-board hassle for someone, even if you did know who it was, I'd like to know what value it is to you to know who it was performed the moderator action...

Worth noting that the people that are being given grief above are in favour of having admin log. It's mainly me, and to a lesser extent some others who don't want it. Also, Tom is entirely right about me being less likely to be sympathetic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndo37LMzmU

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keith i guess i honestly give a fuck about an admin log any more

appreciate all the hard work though

keith i guess i honestly dont give a fuck about an admin log any more

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Who are you kissing in that picture, Gr8080. It's so hard to keep up with your conquests. The blue helmet totally suits you. I would lose the glove, but that's just me!

stfu Alison.

thats not a glove his hand is blue

i am thoroughly provoked by this appalling internet discourse

-- Confounded, Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:49 AM

-- jergins, Sunday, 31 August 2008 04:43 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Link

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Sorry gr8080. That was a stupid comment.

apology accepted

hey craig PLEASE TEXT ME, its important

now who the hell is craig

I thought his name was Gary???

lol @ both names

would the mods frown upon my loling at Ol Bertie Dastard?

yes, in the official THINGS MODS FROWN ON LOG

1) loling at Ol Bertie Dastard

2) drunk personal c&p board-wide assaults

3) sobriety

4) fun

5) singing of songs

6) friendship

7) alimony

8) begging for it

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The First Amendment is actually not that complicated. It can be read from start to finish in about 10 seconds. It bars the Government from abridging free speech rights. It doesn't have anything to do with whether you're free to say things without being criticized, or whether you can comment on blogs without being edited, or whether people can bar you from their private planes because they don't like what you've said.

glenn greenwald talking about sarah palin XD

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even ray lyman understands the constitution better than sarah palin

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do you really think me and/or john justen not being mods is going to save you from being kicked off the boards if you keep up your son of chaki freakshow

Seriously, you delete any post by anyone complaining about your actions and you permanbanned me because i had the AUDACITY to point out (ie not abuse) that the famous "improved security" of ilx2 is a fucking joke.

Of course, most people don't even know that I was banned because you're such a fucking fascist you hide the evidence that it even happened …

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Am I supposed to be impressed by your graceful restraint in not t0t411y pWnz0r1n9 the boradz?
I work with people every week who break software with much scarier implications and they somehow manage to not be arrogant pricks about notification and resolution. In fact I can think of the biggest assholes I've ever dealt with in 8 years of this business and none of them act the special way you do. Enjoy your awesome framework and try not to hit any more fatties on your bike. Peace.

The prick is you, old man

banned again

Just so you know, it's not just Tom.