i actually get what dave q is saying on this pram vs broadcast thread:
Pram makes the walls spin around really slow, and I have to go and lie down, it's a hot summer day and I'm age 7 and I have just eaten 16 scoops of pistachio. Because I had this idea that picking the flavour with the longest name would make me seem more sophisticated among my peer group. Good job I liked it, and this isn't an entirely unpleasant sickness, because it means I can go and lie down in the quiet room away from all of their silly banter, but they won't think I'm a wet or a sissy because they saw me eat all the ice cream. It's like a 'Rug Rats' version of 'Cool Hand Luke'
-- dave q, Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:00 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link
― artdamages, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link
sorta
― artdamages, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Been flipping through the first few eps and lps this afternoon -- still love them. It's hard to understand why they were lumped in with Stereolab so much at them time, besides the obvious (same label, female singer, uh...keyboards?) -- clearly going for something very different. And listening now, you can't really say that it sounds of it's time -- this music could have been from the last few years, the early 80s, who knows... It'll never happen, but I wish they'd come back to the US at some point...
― city worker, Friday, 14 May 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Classic! Once made a 2 disc of all my favourite Pram tracks ever - amazing discography.
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Thursday, 8 December 2016 01:27 (seven years ago) link
I picked up a lot of their cds cheaply in sales etc.Used to really like them, need to stick them on again.Think I came across them as one track on a compi Robots, Monsters and Spacemen or something and then picked things up from there.
Was odd to suddenly hear Country Joe intoning the phrase The Earth is so large ....... Etc on one track on Fixing To Die. Is that the source of the title or is it Blake or something?
― Stevolende, Thursday, 8 December 2016 07:33 (seven years ago) link
Cj song is called Magoo btw. & the phrase The Stars Are So big ..... is the chorus.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 8 December 2016 07:55 (seven years ago) link
Way too underrated and worth bumping just to say that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwxBHEmrqLg
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Monday, 27 February 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link
OTM. Love that record.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 27 February 2017 23:04 (seven years ago) link
"Pram reconvened in 2017 minus founder member and singer Rosie Cuckston, who'd left to concentrate on writing and academia. Now working as an instrumental project with an increased interest in film and site-specific work, the band performed at the Imaginary Musics festival in Switzerland in May 2017 (playing an audio-visual "music for Kopfkino" set). Pram also scheduled a combined sound-art installation and concert ('Under the Blossom That Hangs On The Bough') in Birmingham's Martineau Gardens as part of the for-Wards project and festival for June 2017."
??
― maura, Monday, 4 September 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
Pram without Rosie is not Pram at all
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
yeah...
― maura, Monday, 4 September 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
I really wish I hadn't looked at her twitter account to see if she'd mentioned anything about it.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 4 September 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
oh yikes
― maura, Monday, 4 September 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
this band remains criminally underrated
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
Holy fucking shit no.
(xpost about RC's twitter account, agree about the underratedness of the band)
― emil.y, Monday, 4 September 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
welp, I guess this means we can look forward to a Kate Bush/Rosie Cuckston collab at some point in the next ten years
― the old rugged crocs (unregistered), Monday, 4 September 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
yeah their whole catalog is one of the best
― maura, Monday, 4 September 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
I'm confused The only Rosie cuckston Twitter I can find is someone who hasn't tweeted since June
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 4 September 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
yeah i can't find the twitter either
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 23:30 (six years ago) link
yeah, she's the one who hasn't tweeted since June. people itt are displeased by her political leanings, not by anything she's said about the band
― the old rugged crocs (unregistered), Monday, 4 September 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
Thanks for clearing that up. I was starting to wonder if "Rosie Cuckston" was the most common name in Birmingham or something.
― Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link
― erry red flag (f. hazel), maandag 4 september 2017 19:25 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
:-/
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 08:49 (six years ago) link
she's had a few articles published in spiked fyi eg:
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/keeping_abreast_of_liberal_hypocrisy/13975#.Wa5vlMaQzcs
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 09:51 (six years ago) link
*immediately feels gross for linking to spiked*
That sucks. I don't like when things like that happen to the mind of someone who has been such a kindred presence.
Pram (with Rosie) had a plane of their own, and they were the absolute rulers of it. If there must be a Pram without her, I do think instrumental/film scoring is the approach most likely to be worthwhile.
ps Chrysalis is one of the best songs ever recorded
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 12:00 (six years ago) link
never tweet your heroes
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
truth
― maura, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
"Dark Island" became a great favourite of mine a few years ago, a strong Broadcast influence evident throughout but completely it's own thing.
Spiked? For fuck's sake, Rosie. Why did it have to be that coven of wankers?
― Pheeel, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:07 (six years ago) link
she wasn't very nice the one time I met her (which was in 2002) so I'm not incredibly surprised. Still like the music
― akm, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
New Pram.http://www.treblezine.com/pram-new-album-across-the-meridian-announced/
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
Oh fuck
― sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Thursday, 14 June 2018 23:40 (five years ago) link
Pram fill the crater sized hole left by trish Keenan’s death
So are they all instrumental now?
― my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 15 June 2018 10:00 (five years ago) link
No Rosie no cred tho
― sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Friday, 15 June 2018 12:08 (five years ago) link
Yes but Rosie is nuts now
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 June 2018 12:47 (five years ago) link
Separate the art from artist imo
Dunno I mean I just love her voice
― sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Friday, 15 June 2018 12:48 (five years ago) link
No me tooWas being flip
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 June 2018 12:49 (five years ago) link
Lol good on ya
― sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Friday, 15 June 2018 12:51 (five years ago) link
broadcast were such a pram rip off. 'the stars are so big...' is underrated magic. new songs a bore w/o cuckston vox though
― meaulnes, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:08 (five years ago) link
I...am annoyed I missed this news earlier.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:11 (five years ago) link
broadcast - a pram rip off? LOL
― lost in sublimation (Ross), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:11 (five years ago) link
pram are amazing but c'mon
― lost in sublimation (Ross), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:12 (five years ago) link
I love both and don't really see it.
― my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 04:43 (five years ago) link
they're more like the voodoo queens
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 04:46 (five years ago) link
I always thought of Pram as the weird sister in the basement doing taxidermy and catching bugs to chloroform and mount.
Broadcast upstairs watching French new wave movies and listening to 60s pop and Jean Jacques Perrey.
― my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 08:56 (five years ago) link
Very apt
Rosie’s voice is def more of an acquired taste tho it has “smoothed” out since the earlier records obviously
Also broadcast took a stylistic dip on that last record (not including children of Alice). Saw them on tender buttons tour and witch cults - TB was all ring modulated gnarled synths and a good time. Witch tour had tons of hammerHorror style occult projections onstage - some of the music wasn’t recognizable as on record and older hits were played sparingly.
With witch, focus group collab ep and especiallyMother is the Milky Way - broadcast were going increasingly acoustic and minimal, closer to a tripped out folk sound. much different than anything pram did - i still haven’t found mother ep around here but I’ll upload it when I do.
― lost in sublimation (Ross), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 09:03 (five years ago) link
Also always worth saying trish was a sweetheart
― lost in sublimation (Ross), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 09:06 (five years ago) link
ok i drunkposted last night -- but i remember listening to first broadcast LP at my friends, ready to get excited about getting into them, and it totally reeked of pram in every way, and i got bored after the first half anyway.
― meaulnes, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 11:35 (five years ago) link
Hi meaulnes
― lost in sublimation (Ross), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 11:38 (five years ago) link
...hi. sorry, im a gobshite.
― meaulnes, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 12:20 (five years ago) link
what are the vocals like
― eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
screamo
― akm, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
(dunno, just started listening to the album right now)
yes there are vocals on the second track so far, and they sound like creepy little girl vocals so it's not miles away from what we had before.
― akm, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:56 (five years ago) link
this is a good pram album
― akm, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
This is very good. Their best since museum of imaginary animals. Functions perfectly as background music or focused listening - little bit mars attacks in vibe. The new singer sounds eerily like Rosie too. Also a little like she was grafted from wicker man.
― Ross, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:00 (five years ago) link
keyth - pram has soundtracked cartoons! but man they need a break, could totally imagine the old timey jazz song in a hollywood flick gun scene
― Ross, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
jeff, can you confirm that sam sang at the show
did she sing older material as well
i find it hard to believe that is not rosie on this record, i know i know..but it is uncanny.
― Ross, Friday, 10 August 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
Ross - yes, she did. As I said on your albums poll thread I don't know their catalogue well, so I don't really know what older material was played. Here's a review I found in case it helps:http://freq.org.uk/reviews/pram-rodney-cromwell-live-at-the-lexington/
― Jeff W, Saturday, 11 August 2018 09:34 (five years ago) link
I have a favor to ask. If it should be announced somewhere that they are playing any US dates, could someone say something on this thread? I am way way out of the loop with knowing about that kind of thing and i would not want to miss it if they did.
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 11 August 2018 14:01 (five years ago) link
Yes same here xpost
― Ross, Saturday, 11 August 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
Hey Jeff thanks. Judging by that review they mostly played the. We one and the last, moving frontier (few tracks). Hope that changes but can’t blame them for moving forward
― Ross, Saturday, 11 August 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
New one ***
― Ross, Saturday, 11 August 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
i'd be surprised if they played the US unless something weird happened and this album got loads of attention. Their last planned tour about 10 years ago (maybe more) got cancelled. Things haven't gotten any easier either.
― akm, Saturday, 11 August 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link
Yeah otm
They’re the definition of niche. Never achieved the success of broadcast or stereolab. Opened for pulp and played with phone, can’t imagine it rippled any waves
― Ross, Saturday, 11 August 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
Plone
THere's a live set from Birmingham o the 20th of July circulating. Haven't listened to it yet. Am just listening to the new lp.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 11 August 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
Where can it be heard
― Abomination Street (Ross), Sunday, 12 August 2018 01:00 (five years ago) link
Dimeadozen
― svend, Sunday, 12 August 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
New pram is classic as fuck
― yes, said (Ross), Saturday, 1 September 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
Agreed
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 1 September 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
My man
― yes, said (Ross), Sunday, 2 September 2018 05:19 (five years ago) link
Love your thoughts on it in the other thread
― yes, said (Ross), Sunday, 2 September 2018 05:20 (five years ago) link
I don't know why I didn't listen to them much before, they are pretty much exactly my kind of thing
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 2 September 2018 05:28 (five years ago) link
Big love ❤️
― yes, said (Ross), Sunday, 2 September 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
Picked the new album up on a whim a couple of weeks ago, just listening now and it's great. Sixties jazz/spy movie vibes, sounds great. Will need to work backwards, I have 'The Moving Frontier' but don't recall enjoying it anywhere near as much.
― michaellambert, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
just get the 'iron lung' ep and 'the stars are so big...' 'imaginary animals' is alright, too!
― meaulnes, Thursday, 22 November 2018 03:49 (five years ago) link
And the meshes ep
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 22 November 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
Did it ever get mentioned that Rosie Cuckston stood as a Brexit Party candidate in the 2019 General Election?
https://members.parliament.uk/constituency/3327/election/397
...and lost badly (hurrah!)
She's in Reform UK now, so I wouldn't be surprised if she stood again in the upcoming GE.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Friday, 5 January 2024 13:36 (four months ago) link
there was definitely mention of her right-wing politics somewhere on her, no idea which thread
― ufo, Friday, 5 January 2024 14:18 (four months ago) link
*here
― ufo, Friday, 5 January 2024 14:19 (four months ago) link
years ago I happened to look at her Twitter to see if she'd made any comments about leaving Pram and was appalled by the political content, as somewhat chronicled in this thread
― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Friday, 5 January 2024 15:04 (four months ago) link
oh now i see it was in this thread in 2017, so long ago
― ufo, Friday, 5 January 2024 16:13 (four months ago) link
Yes, but actually standing as a parliamentary candidate for the Brexit Party (ffs) wasn't.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Friday, 5 January 2024 16:35 (four months ago) link