Is there anyone who doesn't love This is Spinal Tap?

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Ah now I had got 'tired' of it, but heck the director's commentary sounds worth-it.

Not only that, there's another hour and a half "movie" made up of deleted scenes.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM, that DVD is great! Funy this thread starts up now, since I actually just finished a research paper on Stonehenge for my Art History class.

Spinal Tap is possibly my favorite movie (after Alien, of course). Its one of the few satirical treatments of metal that actually 'gets' the genre, and understands its place in the context of rock history. I love how the band is a perfect microcosm of all the most bloated aspects of rock trends from the British Invasion onwards. The film is really just a great satire of the rock and roll biz in general, and the human capacity for self-delusion in the face of failure. The songs are really convincingly well-done and hilarious, too.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

.. because all the things in the film "could" actually have happened.

There was supposed to be a 'hilarious' BJ scene that got cut or unfilmed, purely because it wouldn't have been included in a 'real' documentary.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Like The Holy Grail, I really get tired of people quoting all the same lines all the time (especially in a horrible fake English accent.) But I still laugh at some of the more subtle lines that I continue to pick up.

OTM, the movie has a lot of little stuff like that. My favorite is after the manager Ian tells the band that their Boston show's been cancelled, then says it's nothing to worry about, "Boston's not a big college town."

Tony Hendra really does a great job playing the manager.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

The rumor is that Aerosmith doesn't like it since they didn't get the joke...

I think it was Kiss that didn't find it funny (or maybe both of them). Maiden's Bruce Dickinson's got a pretty good sense of humor, I'm surprised he didn't find it funny.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Movie or not, can we still take Aerosmith out back?

Seconded.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

the great thing about this movie is that once you've seen it, EVERY "real" rockumentary seems like a joke (I remember thinking "that's spinal tape-esque" while watching documentaries on the stones, the beatles.. you name it..). they've nailed the whole genre in one single almost perfect film ! (talking about that film makes me want to see the dvd again... the intro only with the "star wars thing" would make it a classic !)

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Maiden's Bruce Dickinson's got a pretty good sense of humor, I'm surprised he didn't find it funny.

It wasn't Bruce, it was Blaze!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Iron Maiden walked out of the London premiere, claiming it was 'disrespectful' to metal. Blaze wasn't in the band at the time.

Tap is to Guffman, Best in Show and A Mighty Wind as the Beatles are to Wings, Lennon and Harrison solo. And the new film will be Back Off Boogaloo in comparison. (not that that's bad)

It's one of the best movies ever made, ever.

snotty moore, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I can see Steve Harris getting uppity about it (Maiden being his band and all), but Bruce seems well aware of the ridiculousness of it all. Ah well, tough luck, Steve.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Just the menu on the DVD had me in hysterics.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Strikes me that Penelope Spheeris' completely outstanding (and why isn't it out on DVD?) "Decline of Western Civilization II: the Metal Years" was a helluva lot more "disrespectful" to metal -- and that was a legit documentary.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Like The Holy Grail, I really get tired of people quoting all the same lines all the time (especially in a horrible fake English accent.)

Hugely OTM.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure some other metal acts have bitched about Spinal Tap, too. I think I remember Glenn Tipton and Kevin Dubrow both whining about it on separate occasions.

darin (darin), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

wondering if anyone's seen this:

SPINAL TAP
($75.00) (1984) here's the rare 4 hours 45 minute version you've heard about! ...with all the scenes "not fit" for even the the new extended 'uncut' legitimate release - there's nudity! drugs! bad attitudes! plus lots more! 3 tapes; But please take note -- this is a 'bootleg' tape and the quality is not up to our usual standard there are visual dropouts some missing audio spots... we would recommend it for rabid SPINAL TAP fans only -- where else will you see this stuff? ; {the visual quality of this print is rated as B-/C

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow...I finally saw it earlier this year and thought it was...OK. Kind of a snoozer in places. Definitely sort of a dud on the overall as far as I was concerned.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone have the Criterion Collection DVD? It supposedly had a different commentary track.

late adopter, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure some other metal acts have bitched about Spinal Tap, too. I think I remember Glenn Tipton and Kevin Dubrow both whining about it on separate occasions.

almost every metal musician i've seen interviewed about spinal tap has been quite positive; inevitably the conversation leads to them describing how this or that bit from spinal tap actually happened to them.

as for kevin dubrow whining about it ... what HASN'T kevin dubrow whined about?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Kevin DuBrow himself is an insult to metal.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

haha the story I heard was that it was the Scorpions who walked out because they thought it was about them.

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a SPinal Tap feature in Mojo a few years ago, and Harry Shearer said he researched the role by going on tour with Accept (I think) He said that the bass player told him how it was important to write songs using the open notes on the strings, which enables the bassist to pump his fist in the air and play at the same time.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i believe it was Saxon that shearer went on the road with.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

important to write songs using the open notes on the strings, which enables the bassist to pump his fist in the air and play at the same time.

I don't understand what's so funny about this? I used to do the same thing, but only so that I could drink more beer onstage.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't love it. Or I didn't love it the one time I saw it. Maybe I need to watch it 50 times to properly love it. I love The Rutles though. i do love guffman, mighty wind, and best in show though. and i can't wait for the new one

That's completely insane.

Tap is to Guffman, Best in Show and A Mighty Wind as the Beatles are to Wings, Lennon and Harrison solo. And the new film will be Back Off Boogaloo in comparison.

Good anology. Guest's other movies are great, as is a lot of Wings and Lennon's and Harrison's solo stuff. But the Beatles are the best band I've ever heard and Spinal Tap is the funniest movie I've ever seen.

Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Even better than the urban legends of who did or didn't storm out of the cinema is Noel Gallagher's tale of Liam Gallagher, on seeing the band live last year, storming out shouting "NO! I'M NOT HAVING THAT!!" when, during The Folksmen's support set, Noel had to explain to him that it was the same guys and Spinal Tap weren't actually real...

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't like it

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

why not? damn, we had 41 straight posts of praise here! we're trying to make a serious run of unopposed adulation! at least give us a reason!

my fave moment: dancing dwarfs around the tiny stonehenge

fave subtle line: the argument about going on AFTER the puppet show

sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 17 November 2005 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

the bonus footage for Best in Show (my fave of the 3 more recent films) is amazing. Did you know the Christopher Guest character collects...Beach Balls?

speaking of...watch SNL in the 80s sunday night (no law and order!) and they showed a few moments of some classic clips from the season with Shearer and Guest, particularly the all-time classic synchronized swimming skit with Martin Short.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/84/84aswimmers.phtml

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 17 November 2005 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, but there are so many great subtle jokes beyond the over-quoted ones (though I do have the impulse to slap anyone that says "these goes to 11")

Even the music itself makes me laugh - there's a great bit at the end of one of the songs where Nigel plays a souped-up Mozart guitar solo. Also when he's playing his piano "composition" and talking about how there are all these melodic lines interwoven when in fact he's just playing these really retarded-sounding blocky chords.

Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 17 November 2005 07:02 (eighteen years ago) link

"too much fucking perspective"

barbershop raga (blunt), Thursday, 17 November 2005 07:33 (eighteen years ago) link

This movie is 10X funnier in the "VH1: Behind the Music" Era.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 17 November 2005 08:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Possibly my fave moment is the 2 second clip of Mick Shrimpton falling off his drumkit. Any longer than that, it wouldn't have been funny. Also, the gay room service guy making Mick spill his drugs. I think Mick is my favourite character actually.

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Possibly my fave moment is the 2 second clip of Mick Shrimpton falling off his drumkit.

With ya there, that's a perfect moment of editing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

There was once a review in Q magazine of a laserdisc version which sounded like it included all the extra scenes on the DVD, and had a lot more besides. There was mention of an all-girl support band who were linked to the fact that all of the Tap have coldsores around their lips at various points (hence "derek's out of circulation"). I'm sure there was way more stuff mentioned too, but I can't recall what. Has anyone seen this version of it? And does it overlap with the stuff on the amazing-sounding four hour plus version mentioned above?

M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw the video for Spinal Tap's Bitch School last weekend.

I think it is time for Tap to come back out of retirement. If you watch some of those current metal shows on Fuse or MTV, there is some comedy gold out there waiting to be mined.

earlnash, Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone have the Criterion Collection DVD? It supposedly had a different commentary track.

it does, done by the cast, but not in character. it too is very funny. the deleted scenes are different, also - some overlap, but not much.

foxy boxer (stevie), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

aha the story I heard was that it was the Scorpions who walked out because they thought it was about them.

They should be so lucky.

I've heard it was loosely based on Saxon and Status Quo. The key word there, however, is loosely.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I love it and the DVD bought it all back but I must mention another Guest performance that always has me laughing, which is in Princess Bride. I love it when he runs away.
I'm actually sitting here laughing to myself now. I am sad. He's just one of those people who make me laugh just by standing there. Is he still a real life Lord? In that can he still sit in the House of Lords or was he disenfranchised when they were reformed?

Not really an ILM question I suppose.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I've also heard Michael McKeon reference the band Adges (is that the right spelling? ADGEZ? I forget...)

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm just as God made me, sir

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Is he still a real life Lord?

Wikipedia, our friend:

Guest became the 5th Baron Haden-Guest, of Saling in the County of Essex, when his father died in 1996. According to an article in The Guardian, Guest attended the House of Lords regularly until the passage of the House of Lords Act 1999 barred most hereditary peers from their seats. In the article Guest remarked:

"There's no question that the old system was unfair. I mean, why should you be born to this? But now it's all just sheer cronyism. The Prime Minister can put in whoever he wants and bus them in to vote. The Upper House should be an elected body, it's that simple."

As Guest's children are adopted, they cannot inherit his Barony under the terms of the letters patent that created it. The current heir presumptive to the title is Guest's brother, Nicholas Haden-Guest.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I thank you.
And agree with the good Baron.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"Possibly my fave moment is the 2 second clip of Mick Shrimpton falling off his drumkit. Any longer than that, it wouldn't have been funny."

I laughed out loud just reading this description.

digestion (digestion), Thursday, 17 November 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

The critic John Mendelssohn notoriously gave the movie a bad review in CREEM upon release, giviing Christopher Guest's performance a few words of faint praise but largely trashing everything else. Coincidentally, (cough cough) Mendelssohn's then-wife was in fact the EX-wife of one of the film's stars! (To his credit, he admitted this bias at the top of the review, tho he didn't specify which actor, just called him "some asshole".)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 17 November 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

It's been mentioned before, but this movie is the only example of Fran Drescher and Billy Crystal being in the same room and being funny.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread inspired me to watch the movie with the commentary again last night. I'd only seen it that way once, and didn't think it was all that great, but I was wrong. My favourite subjects are them talking about Viv's "playing" and everything that's fake aboot Marti DiBergi (or should I say "DiBergowitz"?)

Vic Funk, Thursday, 17 November 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard it was loosely based on Saxon and Status Quo. The key word there, however, is loosely.

I seem to have an anthology on hard rock/metal or two around here in which a member of Uriah Heep, probably Hensley, proudly takes some credit. Status Quo and the Heep fit more closely than Saxon if there's any -fit-. They both started out as kind of lame and flailing psychedelic bands, although the Quo had an actual hit. Status Quo didn't have any members die. Heep had personnel problems early on, a bassist actually being electrocuted onstage. Later he died in a bathtup or something. Quo match better in the UL label's regard for them. Despite a big splurge for a feature in Billboard at the time of "Blue for You," Quo were treated with great disrespect in the US. Uriah Heep had it much easier, being arena head-liners for a short time.

They all make nice stories.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 17 November 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I seem to have an anthology on hard rock/metal or two around here in which a member of Uriah Heep, probably Hensley, proudly takes some credit.

In the latest Entertainment Weekly there's a feature with Rob Reiner talking aboot each of the films he's made, and for the Spinal Tap blurb he says their keyboardist, John Sinclair, was hired away by Uriah Heap before he could be in the movie. He would call the filmmakers from the road, saying things like "We're playing a military base" and they would put it in the film. Reiner also credits Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers as the inspiration for getting lost on the way to stage.

Vic Funk, Friday, 18 November 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Smell the Glove = Virgin Killer right?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 18 November 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Smell the Glove could've been a rip on any number of metal sleeves, though, not just the flatly indefensible Virgin Killer.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

there's too much fucking perspective

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2022 16:54 (two years ago) link

Barry Bostwick interviews Spinal Tap on SNL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-HOHzafV1E

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 January 2022 17:24 (two years ago) link

“I can’t believe you’re treating the departure of Nigel like he was Stumpy Joe or Peter James Bond”

“Well I’m sure I might feel a little bit more if I wasn’t under such heavy sedation”

calstars, Friday, 14 January 2022 18:01 (two years ago) link

that's actually my favorite bit of dialogue in the movie

I do slightly not-love This is Spinal Tap now - but not because of flaws in the film itself, but because of what I will call extrafilmic concerns.

Like my 10 friends in high school whose "sense of humor" consisted entirely of quotes from Monty Python and/or Spinal Tap.

And like the 10,000 corny-ass muso dudes who cannot possibly resist an ST reference. In 30mumble years of music-making I have carefully avoided mentioning the property of sustain because I know there's going to be some goofball who is going to do the movie quote in a bad accent.

And lord help me if the discussion of the increments on amplifier knobs comes up because I swear to god imma kill the next mofo who says anything about eleven

Yes, I get it, you watched a VHS tape. Cool. Now can we please get back to rehearsing the fucking song

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 January 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link

I don't mind excess Spinal Tap quoting as long as you veer beyond the two obvious ones.

whenever I've been in a really bad theatre production, and I realize I'm in a complete piece of shit that is going to tank, I often have turned to the person next to me in frustration and asked "Are we gonna do stonehenge tomorrow?"

Okay, Stonehenge references get a pass from me.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 January 2022 18:12 (two years ago) link

A Hawkwind biopic would not be far off from Spinal Tap.

jimbeaux, Friday, 14 January 2022 18:16 (two years ago) link

an Anvil biopic already wasn't

otm

obviously very different musically but the documentary on the UK pop group Bros. was definitely the that got closest to that perfect dimwit grandiosity of Spinal Tap

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:10 (two years ago) link

Fucking limmy.

feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:33 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

RIP Ric Parnell, aka Mick Shrimpton -- the drum solo bit in this remains a top five moment in this film for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0QdAbGym8A

And I still love his physical comedy in the back of the shot here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkE-S_WbUJE

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 May 2022 16:55 (one year ago) link

Anyone who worked in a record store in the 80s will instantly recognize the absolutely spot on performance of Paul Shaffer as Artie Fufkin.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 17:41 (one year ago) link

RIP Ric / Mick
Should I ask if he…spontaneously combusted into a little green globule on his drum seat?

calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link

Bizarre gardening accident

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 19:08 (one year ago) link

Things like that happen all the time. They’re just not widely reported

calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 19:25 (one year ago) link

The authorities said best leave it unsolved.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 19:34 (one year ago) link

Wait, are you guys quoting something?

Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 May 2022 19:44 (one year ago) link

Withnail & I

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 May 2022 19:49 (one year ago) link

“We want the finest dwarves available to humanity. We want them here and we want them now.”

Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 May 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

You can't really dust for vomit.

Fifty Centaur (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 22:05 (one year ago) link

SEQUEL!

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/this-is-spinal-tap-sequel-rob-reiner-michael-mckean-1235265523/

The sequel will be in the style of Martin Scorsese’s “The Last Waltz,” the legendary concert documentary that followed the farewell tour of the Canadian American rock group The Band. “Spinal Tap 2” will also feature real-life musicians in the film. No names have been revealed yet, but it will likely depend on the artists’ touring schedules.

Bono? Boaby?

Honk like the wind?

calstars, Thursday, 12 May 2022 21:01 (one year ago) link

I have very low expectations for this

calstars, Thursday, 12 May 2022 21:02 (one year ago) link

It'll either be bone dry and hilarious, or suck so hard it'll drag the original down with it

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 13 May 2022 01:00 (one year ago) link

"The Last Waltz" ripe for parody + Christopher Guest's wonderful tried-and-true lead-up to a big show at the end gives me hope for it.

pplains, Friday, 13 May 2022 15:05 (one year ago) link

I thought we already had a modern-day reboot with Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping?

Siegbran, Friday, 13 May 2022 15:08 (one year ago) link

I'm a style boy for liiiiife

Deez NFTs (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 May 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link

The tour video they released after the 1992 shows already was a sequel, really, thanks to the various interstitial/where are they now bits.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 May 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link

Plus, the "directors commentary" on the original, massively recommended

Mark G, Friday, 13 May 2022 17:46 (one year ago) link

Just wanted to thank you for the display name nod there, C. Grisso.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 May 2022 18:48 (one year ago) link


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