Leonard Cohen: Classic or Dud

Still classic though.

Since this LP doesn't mark any kind of a departure for Cohen, I wonder how he can be classic but this record shite? I say it's real good, and fits comfortably in with the rest of his catalog.

It goes like this/the fourth, the fifth

first few albums is classicz, sez I. "The Partisian" is fucking badass, even when 16 Horsepower covered it.

after all that, it gets a bit dodgy. the man should never have been introduced to the synthesizer. and "Don't Go Home With..." is a classic example whenever one needs to explain the concept of "overproduction" to a neophyte.

the funny bit: i got into the guy after hearing the snippet of "If It Be Your Will" that's played in "Pump Up the Volume".

Oh, CLASSIC btw, especially the first decade or so.

Suzanne is exempt from this, though. It's always great.

my fave is typically whatever i'm listening to at the point but i tend to listen to "love and hate" and "new skin" most of all

The lyrics to Avalanche are sheer genius. Ditto fer Dress Rehearsal Rag, Susanne, Lady Midnight and Story Of Isaasc. He totally fuckin' rocks dude.

Also other great songwriters seem pretty inconcise or repetitive compared to Lenny the Great.

The arrangements are good to. The eighties stuff is kinda weird. Although Tower of Song has a nice production effect. At least he didn't go techno.

-- Leonard Cohen, Rolling Stone interview 2003.

all-time classic, no doubt.

The ladyfriend is watching The Backwoods on TV now, which features a number of songs by Leonard (also features Gary Oldman...).

Got me back in the mood for him again.

I had the honor of interviewing him many years ago and what stuck out beyond his modesty was how when I transcribed the tape it read like third draft English. He spoke so eloquently and with a natural poetry. It didn't feel like a put on. He wasn't trying to be something or putting on airs (is that the right use of that word?). He was generous and really made it hard for me to interview a 20-something year old hipster after that without thinking, "listen, dude, you can't be giving me this much attitude if a man of LC's accomplishment can treat people with greater respect."

jazz police amazing

I had the honor of interviewing him many years ago and what stuck out beyond his modesty was how when I transcribed the tape it read like third draft English. He spoke so eloquently and with a natural poetry.

When I see questions like this I always think of the Steve Wright gag: 'I got a tape for my car, Best of Music. I only like the first side.'
Is there really anyone out there for whom Len is on side 2 of that tape?

he just played a 3 1/2 hour show, pretty epic

Love his music but it always bums me out when smart people fall for gurus.

He's a Buddhist monk. That hardly makes him the follower of some wacky new age guru.

Classic, of course. I'm Your Man is my favourite. I think Jazz Police is really funny. Great Thelonius Monk as derange cocktail bar pianist solo too.

Beautiful Losers is far and away the best novel ever written by a rock musician. Granted, the competition isn't exactly fierce, so let's put it another way: it's one of the best transgressive novels of the 1960s, up there with Burroughs, Trocchi, Baldwin et al and a great piece of postmodern fiction too.

This thread SUCKS

uh, yeah.

leonard cohen is basically god. so there.

oh man, confession time...i've tried really hard, but makes my skin crawl....someone direct me to something to change my mind

iago how much do you care about lyrics? I can't imagine anybody feeling more than "that's pleasant" about any LC unless they are very into lyrics.

yeah, i haven't sit down and focused, just put it on and did other stuff...always figured the way in was the words.

dud

you're a dud

with due respect

He's good!.

Best mismatched inner sleeve EVER? pic.twitter.com/h0aS9K6g3B

— Laurie’s Planet of Sound (@lauriespos) November 9, 2019

Lol

I can picture Roger Sterling picking up both those records for his pad in 1972.

fuck New Skin For Old Ceremony is just devastating

so many good lines on "Happens to the Heart", album out today
https://open.spotify.com/track/2DkpoHJ1h88e9dyc6SFIm2?si=MHmybq37SN-uG5U0iWNIQw

new album is wonderful

Ranking his openers!

You Want it Darker is such a perfect opener.

I knew this thread had to exist. To me, he is THE classic, but he is definitely not for everyone--which makes him even more of a classic.

He might not be for everyone, en toto, but everyone likes at least something he's done. Like, who really besides him and Mariah Carey have had a song become a standard in the last few decades?

They do, but most often when it's done by someone else. Everyone loves the Jeff Buckley cover of Hallelujah, even though it's missing an entire stanza.

Dylan's Make You Feel My Love probably goes in there too, some big ass versions of that

I wasn't a big Leonard Cohen fan (of his own recordings that is) until I got the DVD Live in London. IIRC the audio is exactly the same as what was used for the CD of the same name, but I usually prefer live DVD's over CD's. Charmed the hell out of me, it sent me back to his earlier albums, but except for his debut and I'm Your Man, I had mixed feelings about how most of those albums were recorded, so the live DVD is still my favorite Cohen release. I also loved how his music was used in McCabe and Mrs. Miller, probably my favorite Altman film.

I was lucky enough to see him before he died, back in 2013. It was, and remains, the single best show I've ever been to. When he played "Famous Blue Raincoat," which is my favorite song, to start his second encore I felt that my concert going career was complete. Everything after is gravy.

And yes, seeing him live was another level from listening to his albums.

Agreed: Live In London is my favourite Cohen release, his Manchester Opera Show performance in the first week of his comeback tour is my favourite gig of all time, and the DVD is a wonderful record of the same tour.

Everyone loves the Jeff Buckley cover of Hallelujah, even though it's missing an entire stanza.

Never heard it. I've heard about a dozen other versions of it though.

I love cohen to the point that I have two Leonard-related prints in my flat, but speaking of that London gig (which I attended!) the fact that he was packing stadia at the end of his career shows that he was pretty well rated for a not-for-everyone fellow

Everyone has a Phil Spector story.

xp totally! Also Cohen returning to live performance due to his shitbag manager spending all of his money may be the greatest case of turning lemons into lemonade in rock history.

Those comeback shows were too smooth and Vegas-y for my liking. There were too many band introductions and too much scripted patter. I was lucky enough to see him in the 1980s and 1990s, which were much rawer and off-the-cuff affairs.

Love Cohen, but would gladly never hear Hallelujah again

Anyone see "Hallelujah: Leonard Cohen, A Journey, A Song," 2021 movie doc . I have not yet. Just curious about

I have not but they're screening it at Film Forum in NYC and I believe Alan Light and Larry "Ratso" Sloman are doing separate discussion/Q&A's for it.

Had not heard of that, thanks!
"Hallelujah" has been used in too many already-weepy scenes on TV, and is frequently over-sung, seems like. My favorite version is Willie Nelson's, where he seems to be thinking out loud:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58UjoiSP2wM

Think he also does "Tower of Song" on his new alb, which I haven't heard yet---here's my fave cover of that, by Marianne Faithfull:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_zzwLgTbE

Stone cold "Famous Blue Raincoat"---this live rendition, from Living (1971), has been stuck in my head for most of my life, and will see me out, no doubt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_zzwLgTbE

Damn, sorry!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE6e9n1HuuM

classic voice, classic diction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVp8JlT1oo0

this Blue Note tribute looks promising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaKR_4S5O7U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugh8Xe6hX7U

2009 interview so good