defend the indefensible: "we are the world"

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No one claimed it was great BECAUSE of the guest stars. If star power was the only factor, then "Voices That Care" would be a classic.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I was terrified of this song. I used to run screaming out of the room when it came on.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Ugh. Absolutely without merit. Typically American. We lift the idea from Band And, and then blow it way out of proportion ("the day rock cried" my ass). Plus, it's a horrible, overwrought, lyrically meaningless piece of shit song. Fuck everyone involved.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

So why do you think it's a great song, Alfred? I'd be interested to know.

Googling the lyrics, it's all I can do not to throw up just reading them:

There comes a time, when we hear a certain call
When the world must come together as one
There are people dying, and it's time to lend a hand.
To life the greatest gift of all
We can't go on, pretending day by day
That someone somewhere will soon make a change
We are all part of God's great big family
And the truth, you know that love is all we need
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day so let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true, we'll make a better day just you and me.
Send them your heart, so they'll know that someone cares
And their lives will be stronger and free
As God has shown us, by turning stones to bread.
So that we all must lend a helping hand.
We are the world......
When you're down and out
There seems no hope at all
But if you just believe there's no way we can fall
Well, well, well, well, let's realise
That a change can only come
When we stand together as one
We are the world......

Serge Teyssot-Gay, Friday, 24 June 2005 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I always think of the Oscar Wilde line, "It would take a strong man to keep from laughing."

But, seriously, a couple of the performers are really good (Charles, Cyndi, Daryl Hall, Kim Carnes) and the way the video's edited – the face-off between overemoting Broose and smoove Stevie – always gave me chills.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Plus, it had this man overemotin' :

http://www.concertshots.com/September%2003/cs-KennyRogers10-Atlanta91303.JPG

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, maybe I rate overemoting a little less highly than you do. It's an appalling mush of faux-sincerity that's like some bad advertising jingle. I stand by my judgement that if you call this a classic, we might as all go home.

Serge Teyssot-Gay, Friday, 24 June 2005 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Bruce Springsteen almost bites off Stevie Wonder's face at the end!

miccio (miccio), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

The Boss definitely gets Colon Blow Of The Decade for that climax.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

See, I agree with everything you said and still love the song.

(xxxpost)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the video, but not the song.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean introducing Michael by panning up from his feet!?!?! OMGWTFLOL(ROFFLE)!!!

miccio (miccio), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

ohwoahwoahwoahwoahwoah

Cyndi Lauper (miccio), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

And the Cliff Huxtable-esque sweaters most of'em are wearing are pretty classic too.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a snapshot of mainstream 1985 and as such a brilliant period piece.

And that's it.

(Prince not participating was in retrospect a truly genius move, especially since it prompted the separate release of "4 the Tears In Your Eyes," an utterly wonderful song.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I would love to have seen a faceoff between Prince and, I dunno, Daryl Hall.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't the story that everybody had to clear out of the room when it was Michael's turn to sing. And wasn't his voice treated to an extra sugar-coating of echo and reverb that folks like, say, Huey Lewis were not augmented with?

Michael Jackson......PRETENTIOUS, PRIMA DONNA ASSHOLE!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

All the sugarcoating and echo and reverb couldn't have saved Dylan's vocal.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

When I make a toast, regardless of the situation, I toast only to "life, the greatest gift of all." It never fails that someone will come up to me later and say he was greatly moved by the sentiment.

Aaron A., Friday, 24 June 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Ugh.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

the term "check your egos at the door" is kind of mildly funny, I guess.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Always thought Dylan sounded worryingly similar to Eddie Murphy's Buckwheat impersonation on this track.

Most cringe-worthy moment: Cyndi Lauper's unsolicited "aye-yai-yee-yai-yah!" melismatic vocal fart after her slavishly oversung verse.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to karaoke this bitch SO BAD.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

The lyrics aren't *that* bad. Corny, yes. Overwrought, yes. But the simple "all you need is love" message is delivered fairly well.

OTOH, the lyrics to "Do They Know It's Christmas" always creeped me out:

Where the only water flowing
is the bitter sting of tears
And the Christmas bells that ring there
are the clanging chimes of doom

... that's some seriously bone-chilling stuff. "Clanging chimes of doom"? On a charity record?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Goddamn Alex, O. T. M., on both counts.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually like DJ Koze's cover of this song!

The video is yes, a nice period piece.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Cyndi's charming in the song – one of the few performers whose schtick injects some much-needed humanity instead of HUMANITY.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Cyndi's performance in this song immediately made me want her to be bludgeoned with a menhir.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

http://members.aol.com/PeSchmit/Obelix/Obelix2.gif

"These NYCians are crazy!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes but you're a gigantic curmudgeon who wants to bludgeon everything, Alex.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Not always with menhirs, though, Daniel. An important distinction.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to look up the word "menhir" ... yes, bludgeoning by menhir sounds painful.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.mnha.public.lu/pictures/fr/collections/prehistoire/FicheStandard/menhir.jpg

A menhir....yesterday.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

A menhir delivery man.

http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~janl/ts/obelix.gif

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I was such a dork as a kid that I had a big We Are The World poster of the group shot on my bedroom wall...I think it had a little legend with all the names of the people.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I only like it because it's one of the only records my grandparents used to let us play as kids on a broken old player they'd dug out the attic to save their good records being destroyed. So I like it for nostalgic reasons only.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

There should be a giant hailstorm of menhirs to blight you all.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Ray Charles fucking OWNS on this. Dylan and Lauper are great, too. It's a really lousy song and a shitty record but it has a handful of killer performances on it. Not enough to redeem it, obv., but I prefer those flashes to the overall blandess of "Do They Know It's Christmas."

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

B-b-but I waited my entire twelve-year life to hear that duet between Kenny Rogers and Al Jarreau!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Last time I watched this video (on the Live Aid DVD) I teared up when I heard Charles' vocal, especially the second time he sings "There's a choice we're makin'..."; he fucking TEARS into it.

However, Dylan sucks!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Good Lord, "Do They Know it's Christmas" postively shits all over "We Are the World" in a brown torrent of tannembaum-shaped charity turds.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't you know that turds are not enough?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Supposedly Dylan couldn't figure out how to sing it until Stevie Wonder demonstrated in full-on DYLAN mode.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

BTW, ick.

xpost

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

a brown torrent of tannembaum-shaped charity turds.

that would take one precise sphincter!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Supposedly Dylan couldn't figure out how to sing it


And it shows.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Paul Young and Boy George came off best.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

If it hadn't been made then a lot of food and money wouldn't have been raised. For that alone, I don't find it bad.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

It might've raised a whole lot more had it not been so fucking bad.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

(sorry, that's an admittedly lame argument)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure how anyone could write a song intended for these singers and about feeding the hungry that wouldn't come out like "We Are the World."

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 February 2024 15:15 (one month ago) link

There's not much arguing in the British Band Aid docu footage, but i suppose you can argue that they hadn't been up all night*, as it was recorded on a Sunday morning.

*except Status Quo obvs.

piscesx, Saturday, 24 February 2024 15:24 (one month ago) link

xpost It's kind of a cart before the horse situation, because yeah, writing a good song for 50 famous singers is an insurmountable challenge. Of course, other tribute songs that had more time and just as many voices didn't necessarily fair better, as we have discussed on ILX. That Spirit of the Forest song, Sun City, the all Canadian one ...

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 February 2024 15:27 (one month ago) link

simply wrangling said cats shouldn't be the lasting achievement

I guess the song did raise a significant amount of money, right? Anyway it’s obv not the greatest song, but I don’t think the doc was insisting that it is… it’s just fascinating to see the cats being wrangled, I took that as the main point.

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Saturday, 24 February 2024 15:57 (one month ago) link

It made a lot of money for sure, though it's hard to get a good accounting for exactly how much was made and how it was spent.

It is some kind of achievement to devise a canvas for all these people at once, most of whom would probably have come up with a better song on their own but none of whom likely could have come up with something like "We Are the World" (for better or for worse) with 50 collaborators in so short a span.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 February 2024 16:18 (one month ago) link

Right, it’s a “functional” song, I don’t think anyone put it on just to enjoy it… the goal was something they could all sing and that would sound “good” and serve its purpose.

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Saturday, 24 February 2024 16:23 (one month ago) link

Springsteen said something very similar in the doc, sorta gently equivocating about how the "aesthetic" of the song is almost beside the point

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:08 (one month ago) link

It could be like Voices That Care, gooey faux-Gospel pro war bullshit

Still kinda agitated that some aging punks didn't release their own response "Voices That Don't Give a Shit"

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:49 (one month ago) link

We are the World vs Dear Mr Jesus

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:50 (one month ago) link

Some non-aging punks in the form of FNM did come up with "We Care a Lot" as a response though!

doleful lundgren (Matt #2), Saturday, 24 February 2024 20:26 (one month ago) link

And I love them forever for it

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 February 2024 03:37 (one month ago) link

It could be like Voices That Care, gooey faux-Gospel pro war bullshit

Except better

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 February 2024 03:44 (one month ago) link

I love how Mystery Train jokingly refers to "Voices That Care" as "We Are The War."

birdistheword, Sunday, 25 February 2024 03:51 (one month ago) link

(And surprised that Meryl Streep and Sissy Spacek were in the chorus.)

birdistheword, Sunday, 25 February 2024 03:53 (one month ago) link

Really liked the doc, but can anyone tell me why Dan Aykroyd was there to begin with? Was Blues Brothers that big to warrant his presence with the rest of these legends? And wtf, how have I been misspelling this dude's name for 30 years

octobeard, Sunday, 25 February 2024 07:39 (one month ago) link

This was less than a year after Ghostbusters (at the time the-highest-grossing comedy ever) so that would explain it.

birdistheword, Sunday, 25 February 2024 07:45 (one month ago) link

Here’s what he said in 2009 (it doesn’t make much sense):

Speaking of iconic images, you were in the ensemble for the Live Aid, "We Are the World video." How did you snag that gig?

Totally by accident. My father and I were interviewing business managers in LA and we walked into this office of a talent manager, and realized we were in the wrong place. I was looking for a money manager, not a talent manager. I had managed myself at that time and always have. But he said, so long as you are here, would you like to come and join this "We are the World" thing.

I thought how do I fit in here? Well, we did sell a few million records with the Blues Brothers and in my other persona I am a musician, so I showed up and was a part of it but it was totally by accident.

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Sunday, 25 February 2024 16:03 (one month ago) link

I bet he (and a few others there) fit in more than a few lines.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 February 2024 16:08 (one month ago) link

Snarf.

The person who was there who I was looking for in the doc but didn't immediately see, and was kinda wondering if they would get as a talking head but didn't? Garry Trudeau. Really. Remember seeing news about it at the time (and he coordinated a comics-related effort later in the year), and per this thread, a run of strips resulted some time after the session:

1. Doonesbury cartoonist Garry Trudeau was allowed to witness the "We Are the World" recording sessions that produced the 1985 megahit to aid famine relief in Africa. Producer Quincy Jones corralled 45 pop stars into the studio, insisting everyone check their egos at the door.

— Mark Stryker (@Mark_Stryker) June 13, 2021

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2024 16:19 (one month ago) link

And in case you're wondering if this is some weird urban legend, nope -- from a Chicago Tribune story in March 1985.

Although most of the musicians` guests watched the proceedings via a live video feed to A&M`s Chaplin Stage next door, there was one nonmusician in the recording studio. ”Doonesbury” creator Garry Trudeau spent the night in the studio watching and sketching, with the result being two weeks of USA for Africa-related ”Doonesbury” cartoons.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2024 16:23 (one month ago) link

we still need a 10-episode expose into this thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un3TmvzoVYM

scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2024 13:32 (one month ago) link

The Milli Vanilli guy was clearly lip-syncing.

henry s, Monday, 26 February 2024 13:41 (one month ago) link

That one had a Chumbawumba parody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRG2s9GC_E

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 26 February 2024 14:59 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

I realize these clips were available for years, and also were only shown in a truncated form in the latest documentary, but ever since watching it I can't get Bob Dylan's goofy rendition of "it's a choice we're making, we're saving our own lies, it's true we'll make a better day, just you and me".

it just sounds Randy Newman singing it and getting punched while he farted

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:57 (one month ago) link

*lives

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:57 (one month ago) link

lol that was my generation's introduction to Bob Dylan

President Keyes, Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:01 (one month ago) link

woulda been for me if my dad didn't routinely walk around the house singing "Like a Rolling Stone" and overemphasizing the "DIDN'T YEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW".

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:06 (one month ago) link

As bad as it was, Dylan would hit lower lows as the decade wore on. I can't imagine anyone turning into a Dylan fan back then based on his "new" work.

birdistheword, Friday, 15 March 2024 01:01 (one month ago) link

*raises hand* a friend who heard "Tight Connection to My Heart" was moved to hear the back catalog

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 March 2024 01:02 (one month ago) link

that "Let it Be" upthread is like a cluster bomb of wtf

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 15 March 2024 01:49 (one month ago) link

xp That's not a bad track - had they dropped a couple of the worst songs and reinstated "New Danville Girl," that would've been a pretty good album IMHO. Also forgot the Traveling Wilburys, that's a fun album. But Knocked Out Loaded, the Hearts of Fire movie, nearly all of Down in the Groove and the live stuff with the Grateful Dead are pretty awful.

birdistheword, Friday, 15 March 2024 01:53 (one month ago) link

(Yes, "Brownsville Girl" is a different version of "New Danville Girl," and "Maybe Someday" is kind of catchy, but I still wouldn't play Knocked Out Loaded again.)

birdistheword, Friday, 15 March 2024 01:56 (one month ago) link

A new all-star charity single based on Mark Knopfler's theme to Bill Forsyth's great film Local Hero, and naturally, it's all about guitarists, not singing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_KWnAoPckk

Benefits Teenage Cancer Trust and Teen Cancer America.

The full list of contributors is: Joan Armatrading, Jeff Beck, Richard Bennett, Joe Bonamassa, Joe Brown, James Burton, Jonathan Cain, Paul Carrack, Eric Clapton, Ry Cooder, Jim Cox, Steve Cropper, Sheryl Crow, Danny Cummings, Roger Daltrey, Duane Eddy, Sam Fender, Guy Fletcher, Peter Frampton, Audley Freed, Vince Gill, David Gilmour, Buddy Guy, Keiji Haino, Tony Iommi, Joan Jett, John Jorgenson, Mark Knopfler, Sonny Landreth, Albert Lee, Greg Leisz, Alex Lifeson, Steve Lukather, Phil Manzanera, Dave Mason, Hank Marvin, Brian May, Robbie McIntosh, John McLaughlin, Tom Morello, Rick Nielsen, Orianthi, Brad Paisley, Nile Rodgers, Mike Rutherford, Joe Satriani, John Sebastian, Connor Selby, Slash, Bruce Springsteen, Ringo Starr and Zak Starkey (both on drums, of course), Sting (on bass), Andy Taylor, Susan Tedeschi and Derek Trucks, Ian Thomas, Pete Townshend, Keith Urban, Steve Vai, Waddy Wachtel.

The sleeve has been designed by pop art icon and Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band designer Peter Blake, whose collage shows all the contributors in front of Hank’s guitar store in London’s Denmark Street.

birdistheword, Friday, 15 March 2024 21:49 (one month ago) link

Might be the last thing Jeff Beck ever recorded - he opens the record.

birdistheword, Friday, 15 March 2024 21:50 (one month ago) link


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