― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 27 May 2005 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 May 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link
damn, hahahaha
― Amon (eman), Friday, 27 May 2005 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 May 2005 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― maria b (maria b), Friday, 27 May 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― maria b (maria b), Friday, 27 May 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Matthew C Perpetua (perpetu...), May 27th, 2005.
further complicating the timeline: "In the four years since Smashing Pumpkins hung up their alterna-goth jerseys and went their separate ways..."
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 27 May 2005 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 27 May 2005 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link
An image from W3Schools:http://www.muzieklijstjes.nl/Tips/PrinceParade.jpg
― Aaron St. John (StJohn), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Aaron St. John (StJohn), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Right on, jonathan.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 May 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 May 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 27 May 2005 04:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jockey, Friday, 27 May 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― ffirehorse (firehorse), Friday, 27 May 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 27 May 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― australian woman, Friday, 27 May 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 27 May 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― PB, Friday, 27 May 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link
It looked red on the picture someone posted in the album thread....hmm...maybe it's a ruse.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Saturday, 28 May 2005 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link
new solo album out October 13th. I really like the cover! that's his son & partner. Much better than that awful FutureEmbrace cover.
http://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2017/08/Ogilala-1503408277-640x640.jpg
Ogilala
.1 Zowie2. Processional3. The Spaniards4. Aeronaut5. The Long Goodbye6. Half-Life of an Autodidact7. Amarinthe8. Antietam9. Mandaryne10. Shiloh11. Archer
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
I really like the single, beautiful arrangement & his singing is growing on me, I like the vocal melody a lot & the piano/strings remind me a lot of some of the softer stuff on MCIS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PdZXNET88A
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
Was just hanging with a friend who was convinced Corgan hadn't done a thing since Zwan, that he had just retired.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
Your friend wasn't that far off tbh
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
I told him that Tommy Lee was even briefly in the band and he thought I was kidding.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
looking forward to Corgan getting shit for native american appropriation there yikes
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
Haha god I forgot about that.
New single is... not very good. Arrangement is ok, MCIS-y, but the lyrics and especially the delivery.. Nah. And I give this guy way more credit than most.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
didn't even spell oglala right
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link
Haha god I forgot about that.New single is... not very good. Arrangement is ok, MCIS-y, but the lyrics and especially the delivery.. Nah. And I give this guy way more credit than most.
i like it more than anything he's done since Zwan. but it's all relative 😔... his voice is horrible now, but it's a better vocal take than almost anything from SP2, probably because Rick Rubin is super vocal oriented and made him sing it until he got it.... mostly right. I really love the music though, and the production.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
His vocals are definitely improved but the song is a nothing.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
what is up w that cover
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
i like it more than anything he's done since Zwan
eh? at the very least sp2 has a few jams
this is not a jam
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
this sounds like a garbage outtake from Use Your Illusion
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
I'd rather hear him do more acoustic/chamber music than RAWK out at this point. The softer stuff on MCIS & the Tonight, Tonight/33 singles has always been my favorite songwriting mode of his. Besides, 'The Spaniards' is on here and when I saw SP play it last year at one of the In Plainsong shows, it was a total shred fest.
Struggling to think of any SP2 rawk jams that are worth revisiting when we have Jellybelly, X.Y.U., Fuck You, Tales of a Scorched Earth, TAFH, half of Machina, etc. Oceania has riffs but always felt so empty & generic to me. Zeitgeist is garbage but United States is cool, albeit ruined by backup vocals and awful mix. Superchrist is fine. A Song for a Son is OK but not much of a song there, just an excuse to solo, which is fine by me. Still haven't revisited it much. One + All is a rewrite of MCIS era throwaway The Viper so it's automatically good. Burnt Orange-Black, a Day for Night casualty or Monuments outtake, is also great but it's a blatant Porcelina rewrite. Superchrist is fine. Doomsday Clock & 7 Shades of Black are cool but fuck all of those Zeitgeist songs are ruined by his horrible backup vocals.
None of the heavy stuff they've done in the past decade interests me. All of the SP2 songs I really like/love are in the same vein as the new single: The Celestials, Being Beige, Sunkissed, Owata, A Stitch in Time, The Rose March...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
oh yeah, Superchrist is fine
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
I'm gonna guess the cover subjects are his girlfriend, and their son.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link
https://assets.rbl.ms/3349689/980x.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 04:58 (six years ago) link
This song is fucking slop.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 05:02 (six years ago) link
I like the song. Nice vocal by BC's standards lately.
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 09:41 (six years ago) link
I probably won't listen to this - listening to the last Pumpkins record basically confirmed to me that I'm done with new Corgan stuff. Think I'll stick to the original SP, the Zwan LP and Oceania. I don't think I need any more Corgan stuff.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 10:00 (six years ago) link
the one i listen to the most these days = zwan.i love that album.
― mark e, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
yeeeaah, that is not really the issue
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
I'd rather hear him do more acoustic/chamber music than RAWK out at this point.
by "jam" i wasn't really referring to RAWK. the quieter/more dynamic moments on the last few sp albums are the high points generally ("ma belle," "stellar," "pale horse," etc.). i've said this in another sp thread but the best rockin' sp2 track is "lightning strikes" imo even though it sounds sorta like a hybrid of thefutureembrace and zeitgeist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qcZEX2iDYQ
anyway the new song is still dogshit
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
actually revisiting that song: i always forget how much i dislike mike byrne's drumming
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
mike byrne is the worst. Colors my opinion of all the songs he played on. I agree though all the Zeitgeist b-sides are better than gen record, which says something about Bill's judgment.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
I really liked Sasha Geffen's write-up of the song, particularly their description of Bill's voice:
Corgan, who’s trying to rebrand himself under his full birth name William Patrick Corgan, has one of the most idiosyncratic voices in rock: high, raspy, and perforated, like it’s being filtered through a rusted metal grille at the end of a half-full sewer pipe. It made the Smashing Pumpkins stand out during the grunge years and it makes Corgan stand out now—24 years after “Cherub Rock,” no one else sings like that.
although I'm puzzled by this: "The first single off his second solo album, meanwhile, barely sees him raise his voice above a whisper." Sure, he's not shouting, this isn't Bullet, but I hear a lot of push & passion in his voice, a big part of why I like this song so much is that it sounds like Billy actually gives a shit for the first time in years.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
damn
― crüt, Monday, 13 November 2017 02:14 (six years ago) link
Purr Snickety!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 13 November 2017 08:58 (six years ago) link
night 4:
I FallSpace Oddity [David Bowie]RiverviewOnce in a WhileLyricEyeTonight, TonightPinwheelsSootheTo SheilaBox of Rain [Grateful Dead]Friends as Lovers, Lovers as FriendsSpaceboyLandslide [Fleetwood Mac]Burnt Orange-Black---Stand Inside Your LoveMuzzle
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
Please tell me you are a witness at all these nights, Flapp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
I wish, I'm on the opposite coast. I was really happy with the show I saw in Delaware, I posted the setlist from the second set of that show upthread. Pretty remarkable that he played Soothe and Once in a While, the latter of which hasn't been played since that infamous Cat's Cradle show in early 2000 when Jimmy was out with a "jellyfish sting" and Billy & James played by themselves.
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
yo flappy i hate to say these words all in one post but: have you listened to billy's recent interview with joe rogan, it's pretty fantastic
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
yeah it was great! i watched it on friday without reading any of the comments anywhere beforehand because i knew it could go in a lot of different directions. it went as well as it could've gone imo. Billy very humble & interesting & making an effort to get on an even keel with Joe, who clearly had a peripheral knowledge of the Pumpkins at best. it was a good contrast to Billy's appearances on Howard (massive SP fan) where they usually talk mostly about childhood neglect, abuse, trauma. I enjoyed the conversation with Joe about fame, celebrity, and the 'behind the curtain' machinations of show business. fwiw I think Joe gets a bad rap, he's had some shit guests but he's a pretty open-minded and even-keeled and positive guy. I watch/listen to his podcast fairly regularly depending on the guest.
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
problem seems to be that he is so open-minded that he can convince himself of anything
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
sure, depending on the guest. he knows very little about a lot. he gets stoned and interviews comedians, rockstars, scientists, academics, his friends, pundits, crazy people. it's fun
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
stoned guy asking scientist about extrapolations of quantum physics is a state every aged fraternity brother seems to occupy for at least a little while.
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
hell yeah brother
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
lol
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link
Great interview!
― how's life, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link
Billy Corgan - Hollywood Forever Cemetery - November 11, 2017
Set 1, running time 43:06
1. Zowie2. Processional3. The Spaniards4. Aeronaut5. The Long Goodbye6. Half-Life of an Autodidact7. Amarinthe8. Antietam9. Mandarynne10. Shiloh11. Archer12. If I Were a Carpenter [ Hardin ]
Set 2 and encore, running time 1:14:07
1. Jesus is the Sun2. Crush3. Snail4. Purr Snickety5. Mayonaise6. Rocket7. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans8. In The Arms of Sleep9. Galapogos10. Shame11. Tear12. Perfect13. Wound (abandoned)14. Wound15. With Every Light16. Glass and the Ghost Children17. [encore break]18. The End of the World [ Davis ]19. Let Me Give The World To You
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
I gotta be honest I've never understood the appeal of "glass and the ghost children", otherwise very cool
― Simon H., Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
Just listened to the interview with Joe Rogan. Not sure if Rogan actually knows anything about SP, as he didn't name any song or album and they didn't talk about the music that much. I was cheered to hear that Billy is self-aware enough to acknowledge that many fans don't want to hear anything about his wrestling ventures -- count me in. Aside from Billy's requisite rant about "the left," he seemed like he was in a good mood. He confirmed he's on good terms with everyone and they're aiming for a full-band reunion next year. It warms the heart!
And funny stories about Rodman and the '90s Bulls.
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 12:18 (six years ago) link
Okay, so I've actually convinced myself to check out the new album and shit, 'Processional' is a really beautiful song that was totally worth hearing! In fact, I've got no problem with the songwriting or production on this album at all, really... if this record has any flaw, it's that the arrangements expose the flaws in Corgan's voice more than usual (I lost count of the amount of times the autotune kicked in) - I never really got that problem with Adore so much. Anyway, this is a much warmer record than Adore and one I'm glad he made.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 26 November 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
So yeah, make that 2 good albums in 17 years.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 26 November 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
i told you!!!
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 26 November 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
hearing reports that the full title was (I Am The Last Person in the World to Find Out About) Hollywood Forever Cemetery
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 26 November 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
lmao
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 26 November 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
:D
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 26 November 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
Processional is beautiful, these lines & their melody hit me hard:
And stake your heart on mineto places, other timesIt's a long way, it's a long wayto get back home
― flappy bird, Sunday, 26 November 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link
i told you!!!― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:30 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:30 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes, but you have a tendency to like everything and flappy is a massive superfan Corgan apologist, so it was pretty hard to gauge whether this albun was going to be any good based on the fact that the pair of you liked it, fwiw. I'm glad I could summon up enough enthusiasm to check it out myself.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 27 November 2017 03:31 (six years ago) link
*album
This will probably lead me to binge listen to the discography again.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 27 November 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs9GSGR1XHA
― flappy bird, Monday, 27 November 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link
ok then enjoy music on your own shithead!
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:46 (six years ago) link
Processional is beautiful, these lines & their melody hit me hard:And stake your heart on mineto places, other timesIt's a long way, it's a long wayto get back home― flappy bird, Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I completely agree! After a couple more listens, it's a late-period Corgan classic for me now.
Of course, I'm mow on a Pumpkins B-sides kick, of all things...
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 27 November 2017 06:53 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiFMosotuPo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 December 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link
only watched a few songs from that, p good so far
not optimistic about the odds of this ever coming out (at least as a double album:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcqDsVZAk_E/
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:29 (six years ago) link
caption reads:
I just finished a few weeks recording in Nashville for the follow-up to Ogilala. So far (the new album) is more stark and tangled. Also looks like it will be a double (16 songs at least)
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:30 (six years ago) link
lol i really hope he puts it out
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:31 (six years ago) link
me too. i will say i was p sure what became Ogilala was shelved before it was announced in August (he recorded it in the summer of 2016... Linda Strawberry posted a picture of him doing vocals and said the album was called The Land of Maybe). i still have reservations about this new one though mostly because he's working with Howard Willing and presumably self-producing again, so there goes the quality control of Rick Rubin. i don't think Ogilala sounds drastically better than any of the post-2000 records, but Billy needs to have someone listen to all of his demos and pick out the gems that he's been throwing away for years now. i don't know what happened to his quality control compass. if not for Rubin "Aeronaut" not only wouldn't have been on the album it probably never would've been recorded. anyway he's still got some good momentum atm and seems like he's in a good place, hope "Cardinal Rule" is on it.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:42 (six years ago) link
this is approaching Chrysanthemum levels of post-SP songwriting for me lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAtElcmYic
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 November 2018 06:37 (five years ago) link