RFI: Border Community - Nathan Fake, James Holden, The MFA, Petter etc.

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skilla is that the "balance" mix or "fear of a silver planet"?? the "balance" mix looks good but i haven't had time to find it.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 1 April 2005 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.themfa.com/?id=15

The MFA's remixing the Junior Boys' 'Bellona'...how swoonsome

their remix of Telepopmusik's 'Into Everything' is gorgeous

manuel (manuel), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Kompakt reissued the MFA single "the difference it makes" recently... great single. Never liked Superpitcher that much, but the Superpitcher remix of same track is also amazing.

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:43 (nineteen years ago) link

im tototally obsessed with that superpitcher remix.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 8 April 2005 06:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Great, great, remix. Shoegazer techno!

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i used to post on the DCN message board with Petter back in the day before he blew up. he featured heavily on Sasha's last mix for GU and is really getting the royal treatment from many DJs. which is awesome because not only is his music fantastic, but he's a really nice guy too

and yeah this label is about the ONLY thing i'm liking in prog house these days. so nice and refreshing on so many levels

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm listening to
james holden @ global dj broadcast

01. Mathew Jonson - Ultraviolet Dream
02. Covenant - Bullet (Ellen Allien Flow Mix)
03. Superpitcher - Happiness (Michael Mayer Remix)
04. Roel H. - Curly Hair
05. André Kraml - Safari (James Holden Remix)
06. Petter - Untitled Acid
07. Steve Lawler - Out At Night (Nathan Fake's Night In Mix)
08. ADJD - Believe
09. Stryke & Santos - Amazon
10. ID
11. ID
12. The Rapture - I Need Your Love (Playgroup Dub)

It's good and I want more

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

track down the balance mix that vahid mentioned upthread. the discogs rating may seem hyperbole, but it isnt. at all. holdens street parade 07-08-2004 set is worth looking for as well

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks!

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

are you sharing either of those, or other Holden, on slsk?

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

James Holden live at Full Shade (Brescia) 11-20-2004 is ace as well

manuel (manuel), Friday, 8 April 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

The Petter track on the new Crosstown Rebels mix is awesome - it's like a clicky update of "No Fate" or one of those other dark-but-emotional early Harthouse/Eye Q tracks.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 9 April 2005 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
the next bc release is extrawelt - soopatroopa. and extrawelt = midi miliz / spirallianz = psytrance veterans. discuss

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Monday, 2 May 2005 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

mine arrived broken, so my initial views, to say the least, are neutral-to-negative.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

very interesting, btw, that midi miliz (sp?) is involved - i heard some of their stuff once and was shocked that it got classed as psytrance, seeing how closely it fell to the stuff i like. one of those "i'm a closed-minded git!" moments.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't catch this earlier, but this is great news! It was only a matter of time before the dark, minimalist techno end of psytrance connected to the "mainstream". I've been a huge fan of Raabe and Schaffhausen (Spirallianz, Midi Miliz and especially The Delta) for years.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

there's a nathan fake live set posted here http://ump3.de/sites/nathanfake_live_dirtydancing.html

Jena (JenaP), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Dextro-Do You Need Help (MFA Help Help Mix) is one of the absolute best records of the last 12 months.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

so good.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone got the MFA-Live At Exposure 2004.

I'm not sure if it's an actual live set or them DJing, it sounds very pristine for a live set though all the tracks do sound like MFA productions and pristine is sort of their style I guess.

Needless to say it is great, like completely electronic deep house or something, with a good quick tempo, which gives it that really clubby deep house feel, a bit like "Mushrooms" by Marshall Jefferson but alot more of an electronics only feel to it.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously everyone has to hear that Petter track. Just buy Crosstown Rebels Vol 2, it's an excellent mix.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 15 May 2005 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link

The Petter track is epic and gorgeous - i think i need to find that mix to see how they work it - there's so many great builds.

natedey (ndeyoung), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

plus the melody is so entrancing but spooky, very horrorshow.

natedey (ndeyoung), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

The Crosstown Rebels Mix is ace - a neat summation of almost all the great ideas floating around, and there's a special Pier Bucci mix of Andre Kraml's "Safari" (not the same as his remix on the proper Safari remix 12") which is fabulosly spacey.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
this spirallianz connection is fascinating...i echo philip's this-is-tagged-psytrance?! sentiment completely

manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
New MFA EP on BPitchControl doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet - the bassline at the start of the first track, "Disco 2 Break" sounds startlingly like one of Vitalic's "Poney"s. Then the track's all over the place.

locus solus, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

and then "Rinse Time" sounds like, hmmm, Acen?

locus solus, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

is that out?

the remix of Ellen Allien is amazing.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah just came out Ronan - it's a little bit more electro/detroit than their border community stuff.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/fez_/holden-allien.jpg

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

he extrawelt release is good btw, standard bc swirliness with a speicher beat. doesnt sound much like psytrance either except for the trademark 303 "wretched creature" sounds (cf plastikmans plastique), which didnt keep the de:bug reviewer from pooh-poohing the records perceived goa hippieness

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

he = the

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
reliable maps of the human heart

c/n (Cozen), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Heard the Extrawelt release today, and although it's excellent, it's not at all what I expected - this is not the pitch-black minimal/psytrance crossover I imagined, which is a shame - psytrance has so many interesting sounds that I think would work very well within the current minimalist electro/techno structures. Somebody will do it sooner or later...

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 8 July 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

god, i really don't know how i missed this label.

my first exposure to fake/holden was at razzmatazz in barcelona last month, and even though i didn't see their entire sets, they still felt like total highlights. despite that, i kept forgetting to investigate;
tonite is the first night i've checked out any border community stuff at all. anyway, i've been sitting here for the last two hours, headphones on, totally spellbound. the james holden remix of "the sky was pink" is sublime -- i can't remember the last time i had this strong an emotional response to a 4/4 track. i'm currently about 9/10ths of the way through "balance" and its just been one frozen chill after another. this is wonderful, wonderful stuff.

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 9 July 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark, for the absolute best in BC and related goodness (excluding whatever I haven't heard), check out:

MFA - The Difference It Makes (Superpitcher Mix)
Dextro - Do You Need Help? (MFA Mix)
Petter - Altogether
Holden - A Break in the Clouds
Nathan Fake - Dinamo
Andre Kraml - Safari (Holden Mix)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 9 July 2005 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

... and "the sky was pink (icelandic version)"

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 9 July 2005 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link

or even better, the holden mix

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Saturday, 9 July 2005 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks tim! i should say that i knew the superpitcher remix already, but everything else is brand new.

does anyone know if the icelandic version is a proper remix or just like a homage? first thing it reminded me of was mum.

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 9 July 2005 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link

the dextro track is amazing.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 9 July 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

btw fe zaffe that photo is rad.

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 9 July 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno, Holden looks like he's lost a lot of weight. He's been having too much minimal pasta maybe?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 9 July 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i also like:
the original "difference", nathan fake's rather mighty "outhouse" (the "fluffy" mix too - it's straight idm, but in an almost classicist aphex style, i find it pretty and soothing) and the astounding holden remix of britney's "breathe on me"

jermaine (jnoble), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, Nathan Fake album out later this year!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 10 July 2005 09:47 (eighteen years ago) link

the group from hamburg that he references in the interview - dextro or extrawelt?

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

noise snippets (which usually remind me of My Bloody Valentine's "Touched" or something) as, literally, DJ tools!

Ha! Saw Nathan Fake play a liveset last sunday (after Michael Mayer) and he indeed started out with a blissfull storm of MBV style noise. The great thing: somehow there was a implied beat in there...oh boy when it materialized. :) I had to leave after a while (I saw Tiefschwarz the night before -out of this world btw- so I was a bit tired) As a result I missed James Holden. But now I'm obsessed by this bunch.

Omar (Omar), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

A touch late but, similarly obsessed - except unlike Omar I left just as Fake was getting going :-( - The Holden rmx of Fake's 'the sky was pink' is stunning.

stevo (stevo), Sunday, 24 July 2005 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

It's been very influential already too. I was kinda shocked by how much Booka Shade's "Mandarine Girl" sounded like it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 24 July 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

yay!

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Sunday, 24 July 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

SAFARI REMIX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXk5rUUalBE

brimstead, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link

new order - someone like you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwYEvJglnDg

brimstead, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link

System 7 - Planet 7 (James Holden Remix)
Holden & Thompson - Nothing (93 Returning Remix)

Siegbran, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 15:20 (one year ago) link

huge co-sign on that 93 Returning mix

brimstead, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 15:21 (one year ago) link

I thought this was going to be about the new track from the upcoming album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHsqkhz4AOg

Holden’s remix of XAM Duo’s “Cold Stones” was one of my top tracks of 2022 - intergalactic jazz techno!

Tim F, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link

as if the new Katie Gately being great wasn't enough, the new James Holden is sounding fab too!

imago, Friday, 31 March 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link

Absolutely incredible interview about this album's making. Clearly an astonishing feat

https://www.musicradar.com/news/james-holden-interview

imago, Saturday, 1 April 2023 06:34 (one year ago) link

Really enjoyed that in-depth process interview. I don't know that there's anything about it that makes it an astonishing feat per se (if you really dig into the nitty gritty of a lot of electronic records I think you'd find an impressive degree of creative processes, resampling, etc) but I'm excited to listen to it now.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 April 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link

Enjoying the record...and I like pretty much everything he does these days, but miss a bit of the noise of the Inheritors. Maybe it's a bit too jazzy and hippie for me.

dan selzer, Monday, 3 April 2023 18:45 (one year ago) link

knowing very little about how electronic music is made i am very easily impressed lol. but it does seem like he went to impressive lengths! it's a very long record and it keeps me interested the whole time. love that he describes it as the album his 12 year-old self wanted to make, and a dialogue with that self

imago, Monday, 3 April 2023 18:55 (one year ago) link

I do really like the looseness and liveness of the record, although it's all a bit too "cosmic jammers" for me too. I don't know that the drums benefit from being recorded through speakers with ribbon mics in a room either, for dance music I like that in-your-face feel. It took me a long time to realize that the room that the music is going to be played in, over a soundsystem, is more important than the one it was recorded in.

But I'm jealous of his process because it sounds fun, and there are some really cool moments and tracks here.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 April 2023 19:26 (one year ago) link

yeah none of it is that involved or exciting for most people that use max or equivalent systems/approaches.

to be fair to him though, he never makes out the process to be as if it's a big crazy cutting edge autechre/william fields type thing. more that he's into building systems according to his tastes and trying to make it fun for himself to make music. basically: to be able kosmischely-noodle on one's own.

i read the interview after listening to the album and i kind of assumed it was a curated collection of live jams like the animal spirits record ie. not knowing all the traditional instruments (sax, piano, violin) were just self-overdubs. which probably counts as a big success and proof-of-concept for him.

i am surprised by imago liking thing though! cause what makes me not fully connect with james holden (and luke abbott) - despite generally liking the surface aesthetics and all the interviews etc. - is that i just get bored musically of the majority of their stuff being a single pattern and the track "just" being riding timbral variations, inversions and the arpeggiators-upon-arpeggiators. the same build it-up-and-then-break-it-down structure... obviously that's very much what their whole thing is though!

i do really like "contains multitudes" on here though which does shift a lot more even if it a single progression as well, it just seems a lot more dynamic. i like the almost-rave-stab-pattern stuff (there was some of that on the last nathan fake album too). also the most surprising part of the album for me is on that track - when that portentous piano line comes in.

linee, Monday, 3 April 2023 23:12 (one year ago) link

Agreed I wouldn't have thought there would be enough chord changes for imago (he even says in the interview he hates bridges and loves staying in one harmonic place)

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 April 2023 23:27 (one year ago) link

yeah it's totally my issue, just different tastes and wanting music to do different things. i would love to hear a JH or LA track that's *just* bridges!

to be clear: i don't want to cast shade on anyone being super into this! i was just a bit surprised reading this thread after listening and seeing who was singing its praises.

also don't want to sound like a know-it-all in regard to JH's set-up. just more that, if you're totally unfamiliar with that kind of world, the kind of things he is doing are pretty par-for-the-course. not that it really matters or makes them any less valid...

linee, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 00:58 (one year ago) link

Love this album, but I was also a bit surprised that it's a lot more of a traditional techno record than I had anticipated (maybe feeds into linee's point about it not feeling like an imago record, though I wouldn't have thought that without linee's comment and explanation).

It reminds me of a lot of Lindstrom's Smallhans but with a broader and denser sound palette.

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 01:43 (one year ago) link

while my first love is indeed melodic development, textural development and the Swelling Sonic Array is a close second. this sounds so lush and adventurous, it is absolutely the sort of exuberant fantasy he describes and I'm way into that

imago, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:29 (one year ago) link

The other album it reminds me of a bit (though not necessarily in strict stylistic terms) is the Khidja & Balabas album - reproducing the density and depth and atmosphere of Monolake's "Lantau" and "Macau" but in a less minimalist context.

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:35 (one year ago) link

*writing emoji*

I need to hear more Lindstrom, ty for the heads-up. Regard WYGIGT as a towering masterpiece but strangely haven't explored more!

imago, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:41 (one year ago) link

The other album it reminds me of a bit (though not necessarily in strict stylistic terms) is the Khidja & Balabas album - reproducing the density and depth and atmosphere of Monolake's "Lantau" and "Macau" but in a less minimalist context.

when Tim mentions an album offhand and you know, not even having heard it yet, that you'll be playing it all summer

lol yeah the K&B is so good

Would be in my top ten "underrated to the point of being unheard of" albums of the past 5 years or so

Tim F, Thursday, 6 April 2023 01:50 (one year ago) link

not familiar. I see a few EPs on bandcamp and will check them out. What is the album?

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 April 2023 12:44 (one year ago) link

oh yeah I saw that. thought that was an ep and there was some other LP being referred to. Will def listen.

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 April 2023 17:17 (one year ago) link

I am unsure what I think of this new James Holden thus far. I was really excited for it but it hasn't quite connected. I adored the Animal Spirits and have played it loads over several years, probably more than The Inheritors which was a big favourite when it came out. My (very minor) antipathy might be contextual - I've been getting over jetlag since I got it on Friday and every time I try and sit down and listen to it on the big stereo I get interrupted or I'm knackered, so it's mostly been ambient music while I've been wfh Monday and today. I think I was expecting more from it in terms of drums and rhythms; it's very vaporous.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 13:52 (eleven months ago) link

Headphones and sunshine turn this into a completely different record for me.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 20 April 2023 12:07 (eleven months ago) link

I dig it. Lots of feeling and color and grooves. It's floating and cosmic but a nice kind of busy and the live feel is distinct. Obviously I'm here for any long-form electronic albums with spiritual ethno and jazz touches.

Nabozo, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 10:03 (eleven months ago) link

second listen, this time on headphones, def more interesting.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 11:25 (eleven months ago) link

it's deffo a fantastic headphone listen. great for long walks and late night drives (the latter i can only imagine as i don't drive). i love the cheap drum machines and lo fi beats; refreshing in this era of over produced drum beats.

playing live early eveining this sunday in a park in Glasgow. can't wait!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 16:31 (eleven months ago) link

It's a sunshine and sunset record!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 16:49 (eleven months ago) link

the thing about mic'ing speakers...makes so much sense. No amount of lo-fi plug-ins and/or digital reverb is going to create that kind of space.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 17:26 (eleven months ago) link

Had it on outside in the sunshine by a fire this afternoon, so good I played it twice

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 17:26 (eleven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I have basically had this on repeat for the last month, occasionally flitting back to the last Daniel Avery record. Now the sun is properly out and it's warmer, it makes so much sense. It also makes a great soundtrack to swooping between sky islands in the new Zelda game (while the Daniel Avry works well for exploring subterranian landscapes in same).

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 May 2023 12:24 (ten months ago) link


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