Jon Hassell -- Classic Or Dud?

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I guess "The Practice" is a show or soemthing. (Give in to punctuation.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Was an Ally McBeal spinoff about a legal firm from a few years back. For the show's theme they reused the track 'Club Zombie' from Dressing For Pleasure.

I listened to Power Spot again last night, the last two tracks are fantastic... it's not the DX7 sounds, there's just some looped sequences that wear me down a little on some tracks. But the album ends brilliantly, those last two pieces...

(Jon L), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll have to put those on.

It occurs to me that it isn't Voiceprint I didn't care for but rather Dressing For Pleasure — I did notice, however, that one track on the latter sampled the section of Miles Davis' "Sivad" (the part that showed up on Get Up With It as "Honky Tonk"). It hit me that maybe he was drawing the comparison a little too obviously with that...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

This *might* be relevant: http://members.aol.com/blissout/purefusion.htm

's a Simon Reynolds article about multi-culture v. mono-culture and the types of fusion that Hassell, Eno and Byrne were/are undertaking. Fourth World, ahoy!

Sam Benson (Sam Benson), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post, that track is 'G-Spot'. the entire album is covered with classic jazz samples cut-up and scrambled over mainstream hip hop drum loops. he thanks his dj/samplist in the liner notes for introducing him to hip hop culture -- it's as if he heard the Public Enemy records, realized they were doing the same things he'd been doing with sampling on Aka-Darbari-Java years before, and consciously decided to make a commercial record by sampling from traditional jazz instead of obscure ethno-field recordings. strange around the edges, but way too tasteful.

City is transitional, first time he introduces outright drum machine sounds to reference uhm 'the City' but at least the rest of the sounds are still abstract, and it's got some good playing... still...

(Jon L), Thursday, 12 August 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

A lot of times (at least on Fourth World Vol.1, which is the one I know best), Hassell sounds like a very abstract image of "eastern"-soundingness. I hesitate to say anything like this since it's so obvious, but it does kind of interest me. I don't know enough to say, but it doesn't seem like he's actually consistently following any modes here, but there are all of these little gestures that evoke eastern, modal, microtonal music. The way one thing follows another, in the long run anyway, doesn't sound to me like anything you'd hear in, say, Indian (not that I know much about it) or Arabic music; but momentarily it does. Sort of an organic sampling effect. At least, I think that's what's going on. Also, at times his horn sounds more like what would be done with a voice than with an instrument. Without question, this music is good preparation for hearing non-western music (not that that is it's only value--I do like it as it is).

(He has studied Indian classical music though hasn't he?)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

studied with Pandit Pran Nath a bit when hanging out with La Monte Young (Hassell played on this record as well as many Young bootlegs from that time).

(Jon L), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I knew there was a La Monte Young connection.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Fourth World Vol. 1 I absolutely love, but City was a big letdown. I read about that in Toop's Ocean of Sound and the record didn't come close to living up to his description.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Hassell perform much live? I saw him once a long time ago, probably in the late 80's. It was him and some guy with a frame drum, if I remember correctly, and maybe some other people with electronics. I don't remember too much about it except that it was okay but not mind-blowing.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I might listen to that album some more and jot down some notes.

I'm thinking about the way he will frequently finish a line he's playing, with a strong sort of feeling of closure, and then there's often (usually?) some sort of echo effect. You get that sort of sound a lot in Arabic singing, or especially Qur'anic recitation, without effects, just as a result of acoustics.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

On the other hand, after I wrote the first thing I wrote, I realized that I don't actually know anything about the music from many of the cultures he has drawn from.

you kidder.

(Jon L), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I was thinking especially of the African and Micronesian (is that the right category?) sources he's drawn on. The middle eastern stuff I will admit to knowing something about, but only non-technically, and in comparison to other westerners.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 13 August 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I think that's the point, Rockist. I think milton was onto something when he said it's like "references to things that don't exist." It's all in the suggestion with Hassell, oblique strategies, as it were, hinting at things we recognize but don't fully understand -- a sort of phantom meaning.

Maybe I've had too many whiskey sours this evening, but that's how it sounds to me at this moment.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

The first time I heard Hassell was at 3am, 1985, on the radio... the previous show had just ended, the next DJ put on 'Charm' without any intro. Imagine listening to that piece for the first time without knowing how long it was going to last, always seemingly winding down and imperceptibly fading out, but then out of nowhere spiraling right back at you full force. I just sat there staring at the speakers for half an hour.

DJ never back announced the piece, either, I didn't find it again for another year...

(Jon L), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link

It's funny you say that -- "Charm" always seems to go on and on. And on. And...on. But for some reason, it's not in a bad way. What is it, you think, that makes Possible Musics such a success compared to the (admittedly very good) others?

BTW, milton, I think you were talking about "Wing Melodies" which has sequences and triggers both -- and digibells to boot. But I like it.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, while we're at it, we should clear this up: Possible Musics does NOT sound thin.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 13 August 2004 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

here's the interview: http://www.furious.com/perfect/hassell.html some interesting things about ego wars with byrne and eno. rockist's comments about voice > trumpet were dead on, voice is the original instrument.

Sometimes the first one, Vernal Equinox is my very favorite, it's so minimal; no harmonizer on the trumpet yet, just occasional subtle Buchla. the concept is already there, intensely technological yet primal music.

I like Earthquake Island though some don't, it's very much in the tradition of other 70's jazz fusion records. The harmonizer shows up for the first time. Great band; Rockist, I fully recommend this record if your complaint of the other records involve stiff rhythms. Liner notes: 'Including Nana (Vasconcelos)' Imaginative Percussion'.

Eno set him off on a path towards fragmented, studio-only creations. The three EG records are progressively less about live performance, by Aka-Darbari-Java, apart from one other drummer who was probably sent home after one or two sessions, it's all Hassell & a sampler. I've got it on now, an incredible record, sound of the mirror.

My problem with Power Spot is that it tries to reintroduce live performances, but the sequencers are still leading, and win out, till the very end... Flash of the Spirit is my other favorite because you can tell they started by recording the live band, and the treatments came later...

(Jon L), Friday, 13 August 2004 04:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't have much to add other than Fascinoma is the record I put on when I'm a bit anxious and don't know what to do with myself. About five minutes in I find something else to do. It clears out the clutter somehow.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 13 August 2004 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

FWIW, I was DJing at a Matmos gig in Cleveland and dropped "Datu Bintung At Jelong" (as you do), and Matmos' MC Schmidt came racing to the decks to declare that Dream Theory In Malaya is his favorite album of all time. This little anecdote represents the zenith of my DJ "career."

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 14 August 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

As per that Perfect Sound Forever interview: "Fourth World is an entire week of Saturdays." I love, love, LOVE it. Love it.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 14 August 2004 05:16 (nineteen years ago) link

And "Fourth World means: get yourself a world vocabulary; use it with subtlety and a keen sense of surprise; follow pleasure; trust your intuition (after you're sure you know what that is)."

I want to speak in parentheses...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 14 August 2004 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
After listening more attentively to this album (Fourth World. . .) than I usually do, I decided that his horn reminds me of a train horn more than anything else.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Monday, 30 August 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't mean that as a criticism, though I guess it sounds a little funny to say.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Monday, 30 August 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
New one: Jon Hassell Maarifa Street/Magic Realism 2 (City Hall).

RS, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

wire review made it sound like it's a compilation of live recordings, heavily recomposed in the studio. so, buying it on sight. have you heard it?

it sounds like a modern update of The Surgeon of the Nightsky Restores Dead Things By the Power of Sound (which did the same thing to live versions of things from the 1980-1983 fourth world trilogy).

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

have you heard it?

No, no, I just saw it announced, without any details.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 13 May 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.maarifastreet.com/

great site. no sound samples though.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 May 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

it sounds like a modern update of The Surgeon of the Nightsky Restores Dead Things By the Power of Sound (which did the same thing to live versions of things from the 1980-1983 fourth world trilogy).

Whaaa??!?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 14 May 2005 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, check out Surgeon, it's got a great live version of "Charm"

ok I bought Maarifa Street last night -- it's great. Fuzzy, liquid, and weird again. All the sharp techno edges and slickness of City & Dressing For Pleasure have been dropped, everything's muted and gauzy and mysterious again, although the tracks are still a lot more straightforward than the original trilogy; the rhythmic backing is less alienating & weird, in support for the lead trumpet, but it fits, it works

co-produced by Peter Freeman, who also played bass & laptop in the original concerts. the rhythms are slow & dubby, especially the bass lines; One track samples a dub filtersweep hit from Pole's CD1 for the downbeat (it's such a generic 'dub' sound that I wouldn't have noticed if not for the liner notes).

the album packaging is incredible, a huge sprawling tree filled with dozens of people. when you look very closely, it dawns on you that it's a sprawling multi-racial orgy. it's by Mati Klarwein, same guy who did Earthquake Island & Bitches Brew.

fits the music perfectly, this is an unusually erotically charged album even for Hassell, feels almost awkward listening to this by myself. it's all about the trumpet playing here, and no one sounds like Hassell, I love this record...

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I must say, I've owned "Fourth World Music Vol 1" for years and after many, many tries found it uncompelling (I'm a fan of lots of Eno ambient stuff; I'd rather listen to the "Apollo" soundtrack)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Milton Parker OTM. Maarifa Street gives me chills in the same way Possible Musics, Dream Theory In Malaya and Aka-Darbari-Java did.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 14 May 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, check out Surgeon, it's got a great live version of "Charm"

I have it -- I just don't think I ever noticed that. That's a fantastic description of the record, btw.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 15 May 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

well they've definitely been made into new pieces, but you can hear some of the same tapes & sounds, and "Brussels" is definitely the new band doing a version of "Charm"

I'd forgotten Richard Horowitz was on Surgeon... have you heard Horowitz & Sussan Deihim's Azax Attra : Desert Equations? that is one classic record, definitely related to the fourth world series...

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 15 May 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Eros in Arabia when it came out (shades of things to come?) but I haven't heard it recently.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 15 May 2005 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I still have one track on an unlistenable 2 hour Maxell tape from 25 years ago or something like that.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 15 May 2005 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard any of his solo stuff before Azax Attra but I'd sure like to

just found this interview online:

RH: I met Paul thanks to Brion Gysin...  I had been working on my music in between Paris and Morocco since 1969 when I received my first infusion of magnetic ecstatic blood thunder and I knew I was on to something...

http://www.richardhorowitz.com/press2.shtml

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 15 May 2005 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll def. check "Brussels" out again. I haven't heard Azax..., but I'll check it out. Maarifa Street, too...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 15 May 2005 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Azax is primitive electronics & drum machines mixed with Persian instruments and Deihim's incredible singing. She does persian traditionals flawlessly but also turns into extended technique pyrotechnics and it is wild, her control over her high register is amazing & matches the abstract electronics perfectly.

wow, she sings on Eros as well, RS, let me know if you want to trade (all these things are way out of print)

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 15 May 2005 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link

milton, all I have is one track and a bad copy of it at that, so nothing to offer.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 15 May 2005 02:56 (eighteen years ago) link

just as well -- turns out it is in print, at amazon even -- I forgot Crammed reissued most of their best stuff a few years back. it's nice to see Crammed doing well with weird stuff like Konono no. 1 again... nothing against Bebel Gilberto or nothin'

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009LI7U/qid%3D1116131185/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-2848508-8628646

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 15 May 2005 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm, even some oud (on Maarifa) and what sounds like Arabic vocal samples of some sort. I haven't bought it, but there seem to be some complete tracks to lilsten to here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4651149.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 23 May 2005 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

JESS HARVELL IS CLASSIC

xxx, Monday, 23 May 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you write that in every thread randomly?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon Hassell is an anagram for Jess Harvell.

RS, Monday, 23 May 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, kinda...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

If you borrow some letters from "anagram" and squint.

RS, Monday, 23 May 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I love it when Jess works with Burkina Faso percussionists and 808 State!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Finally re-listened to "Brussels" -- "Charm" it is. Great record, that...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:24 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I like Maarifa Street. I find the rhythm track kind of slack and boring (well the bass is okay I guess), but not in a way that gets in the way. It's mostly about Hassell's trumpet (treatments and all). I'd like to hear more of Dhafer Youssef's oud and less of his singing. But still, the overall effect is good.

I don't like that tree painting on the package. If it's meant to be celebratory of life energy and sexuality and so forth, for me it just comes across as grotesque (and something about the stylized figures turns me off too). A piece of the 60s better left in that era.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 6 August 2005 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

RIP Jon. That was a lovely statement from his family

I am using your worlds, Sunday, 27 June 2021 10:44 (two years ago) link

he made so many ridiculously good albums you can go through decades of his work without finding anything shit, Fascinoma is a personal fave of mine.

calzino, Sunday, 27 June 2021 11:15 (two years ago) link

Ronu Majumdar's "Hollow Bamboo" album on the Water Lily label has a real nice guest spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zeaTh0f0E4

sleeve, Sunday, 27 June 2021 15:16 (two years ago) link

New York Times w/ details I didn’t know:

Fascinated by electronic music, he made tape collages and won a grant to study with the avant-garde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen for two years in Cologne, Germany. His classmates included musicians who would go on to start the German band Can; he took LSD with them

curmudgeon, Monday, 28 June 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link

I knew he studied with Stockhausen around the same time as Holger Czukay, didn't know about the LSD though!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 28 June 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link

... and David Johnson, who was in the original line-up of Can.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 28 June 2021 15:44 (two years ago) link

RIP. what a life.

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, 28 June 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link

84 is pretty good. But given that he was creating music at such a high level, it’s hard not to feel a little sadder about this. His last few records betrayed no signs of slowing down whatsoever – in retrospect, I find it remarkable that his music sounded every bit as exotic, brooding and other to the very end.

RIP to one of the greats.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 13:21 (two years ago) link

Have we ever polled his albums? I only get this topic when using the search.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:35 (two years ago) link

The Surgeon of the Nightsky Restores Dead Things by the Power of Sound----

not seeing this one on Spotify. Author/critic Jon Savage says it's a fave of his

curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 July 2021 17:10 (two years ago) link

Nice tribute mix from Low Light: https://www.mixcloud.com/lowlight/last-night-the-moon-came-a-tribute-to-john-hassell/

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 2 July 2021 06:58 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGFJhExa4Qc

Milton Parker, Friday, 2 July 2021 08:22 (two years ago) link

Chaser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbcuISx7vDk

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 4 July 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link

I miss this guy already

sleeve, Sunday, 4 July 2021 20:28 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0sjEnihSdI

"caracas night september 11, 1975"

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Sunday, 11 September 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Highly recommended tribute: https://astralindustries.bandcamp.com/album/ai-32-the-fifth-world-recordings

Pataphysician, Friday, 13 January 2023 15:05 (one year ago) link

Some live stuff coming out — sounds pretty pretty good ...

https://jonhassell.bandcamp.com/

tylerw, Thursday, 19 January 2023 20:56 (one year ago) link

just reading up on some of his credits, turns out he played on a pair of duncan sheik tracks? sounds like a bad david sylvian song hxxps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISt0LotIIEo

diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Thursday, 19 January 2023 23:04 (one year ago) link

the link between bad 90s radio rock and new weird america that ilm needed today

ꙮ (map), Thursday, 19 January 2023 23:07 (one year ago) link

Some live stuff coming out — sounds pretty pretty good ...

https://jonhassell.bandcamp.com🕸/


These are standalone issues of the bonus discs from the City: Works of Fiction reissue from a few years back.

Given the volume of stuff that’s apparently still in the Hassell vaults it’s a shame that this is a re-release. (I thought Warp’s archival repackaging of the All Saints catalogue was brilliant, but it seems like the well has run dry a bit there.)

On the other hand, the packaging is nice and that live set (especially the final track) is one of my all time favourite Hassell recordings, so I’ll probably end up buying these.

bamboohouses, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link

Just now relistening to Brilliant Trees for the first time in a while and his tone when he first appears is unmistakable.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link

aahhhh xpost that's too bad re:forthcoming live stuff. that material *is* worth revisiting. this is the cd edition i picked up years ago and it's p spiff.

also yes ned! love him so much on that material. words with the shaman probably already mentioned as such, but i am officially stating my vote for "classic hassell" across the board for all of the sylvian collabs. stating the obvious perhaps, but it's nice to be right for once!

"i'm grateful." (Austin), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 18:15 (one year ago) link

sounds like a bad david sylvian song

funny because one of the few things I know about duncan shiek is that he's a big sylvian fan and stated in interviews after Barely Breathing became a huge hit that he was surprised to get any commercial success as he thought of himself as a Sylvian type.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 23:38 (one year ago) link

Never understood why Alfred had such a bad reaction to Brilliant Trees. Hassell’s work there (and on Words w the Shaman which was stapled to my CD edition) is so, so good.

Even though I love that he went out on top, I miss this guy.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 13:00 (one year ago) link

duncan shiek is that he's a big sylvian fan

yeah i definitely got that sense after listening to the two tracks with hassell and almost made me want to check out some of his other stuff to see if he had some good sylvian-inspired deep cuts

diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:50 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

aka/dabari/java >>>>>>

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 21:09 (eleven months ago) link

decided to listen through the whole catalog and spend time with some of his records i've only glancingly heard and wow what a knockout

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 21:10 (eleven months ago) link

That one is killer. A discography listen sounds just the thing. Lately, I've been listening to *Last Night the Moon* and goddamn.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 21:15 (eleven months ago) link

agreed, so great, very subtle/minimal

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 22:26 (eleven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2CO0kFhjwE

i'm glad the living city was given its own release. i don't know that i would've ever heard it otherwise and it's one of the very best hassell things

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 14 May 2023 18:00 (eleven months ago) link

First heard Hassell w/his track Amsterdam Blue (Cortege) on the soundtrack for the The Million Dollar Hotel. I don't think it appeared anywhere else.

omar little, Sunday, 14 May 2023 18:05 (eleven months ago) link

he was a genius, such a rich catalog.

omar little, Sunday, 14 May 2023 18:05 (eleven months ago) link

Hadn't heard *The Living City* before. Some deep weirdness going on in there. The bassline on the opening track is like having a fly in a tooth cavity.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Sunday, 14 May 2023 20:12 (eleven months ago) link


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