― Justyn Dillingham, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
OK, honestly? I've never heard them. Twenty ghastly seconds of "Jeremy" and then the whole of that same song on a jukebox and that is knowingly it. I feel rather proud of that. Why did anyone like grunge, can someone remind me?
― Tom, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Andrew L, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
If I want to listen to Blackfoot, I'll go straight to the source.
― Dave225, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Sorry for the pun. I see a lot of folks here sticking to the first impression 'Ten' gave them, which turned them off to the band. I can fully understand that, because I for one can't listen to that record anymore without cringing. But, and I stress this, even as my musical tastes evolved (and I, like many of you I'd bet, must thank the grunge-hype for pointing me in that direction in the first place) I found Pearl Jam to remain interesting, both for their music (evolving from archaic bluesrock - yes, high krustyvalue indeed! - to a more substantial indie-oriented sound that wouldn't look too bad on a GBV or Superchunk) as well as their ethos (quite a popular word here, but you gotta appreciate what they do as a major-label act).
As for the bootleg issue. I think one of the reasons why they did it (apart from making obscene amounts of cash at the cost of about $300 per recording) is that, as Pearl Jam always condoned people taping their shows, there were tons of shit quality recordings going around at high prices. So why the hell not help folks out get a decent recording of a show they were at (or missed, after all these years I still never got to actually see them play live because shows still get sold out within minutes) AND make some cash? Makes sense to me.
― Alacrán, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
In conclusion: classic, classic, classic.
― Jack Redelfs, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Worker Drone, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link
Love them or hate them, this is totally untrue. From their first record on up through the most recent, they've always written lots of highly melodic pop tunes. In terms of music science, you just can't fucking dispute that.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link
I was actually talking to somebody at the TV On the Radio show this past Friday who was wearing a Pearl Jam t-shirt. He was a big fan and said they still put on a good show (not that I'd ever seen them live anyway).
I guess I'll go with classic.
― kickitcricket, Monday, 3 May 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link
I'll always have a big soft spot for them, and I revisit them every so often with some fondness.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link
tvotr and pj are not so far away from each other. except pj have more memorable songs. so far.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost - I see little similarity between tvotr and pj. I'm with you on the second sentence, though.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link
That's for sure.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Cacaman Flores, Monday, 3 May 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
I suppose you could say that about a lot of "rock" bands, though.
I don't know, I think the guy just likes Pearl Jam, amongst many other types of bands and genres of music. We only discussed Pearl Jam when I noticed his t-shirt. The rest of the time, we talked about any number of other bands.
― kickitcricket, Monday, 3 May 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link
The Gen-X Bruce Springsteen.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway, Ten has its moments, the best of which, you're right Dan, is "Black." I didn't really follow them much after that.
― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, out of curiosity, does anyone here rate the guitarists and/or rhythm section?
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link
This seems like a very valid point to me, even though it seems like a vague statement. Something about it intuitively makes sense.
The vocal drone thing was actually kind of cool, thinking about it now. They did have a distinctive sound that way. Do you think that approach might have been influenced by Jane's at all? I'd like to hear the collaboration with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (to whom I'm listening now.)
I've also realized I like in retrospect: The Tragically Hip.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link
1. Porch2. Oceans3. In My Tree4. Who You Are5. Do the Evolution6. All Those Yesterdays7. Corduroy8. Bugs9. Present Tense10.Given to Fly
Their music: classic. Stone Gossard's record label: classic. Eddie Veddar's duet with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (who he studied with at one point) on the Dead Man Walking soundtrack: classic.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link
However, calling Pearl Jam a "grunge" band: DUD!!!!!
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link
Allegedly the new album's cover.
― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― dr lulu (dr lulu), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link
nice!!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 03:41 (one month ago) link
Just listening to Dark Matter now. Reaffirms my belief that the only good PJ songs since Binaural are the uptempo rockers and anything midtempo/shuffly/swingy/ballady goes in one ear and out the other.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 03:48 (one month ago) link
goddamn, $175 for nosebleeds in Sacramento
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 04:32 (one month ago) link
I WILL NOT BE TAKING QUESTIONS or leaving my home for a year
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 05:01 (one month ago) link
why are the tix so expensive? i just don't get it.
also richard ashcroft is supporting in the UK, ugh (tho they are playing the Spurs stadium which is 10 minutes' walk from me)
― impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 09:10 (one month ago) link
Tickets everywhere for everything are fucking expensive.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 13:10 (one month ago) link
I got a ticket to see Pearl Jam in Dublin this summer. 127 euro, which I've been told is cheap (nowadays maybe). It's the most I've ever spent on a concert ticket
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 14:17 (one month ago) link
basically the only tix that are affordable anymore are for underground metal shows, and even these are at prices that woulda made people wince like 20 years ago
"$30 for a death metal show?!!!"
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:01 (one month ago) link
I considered going to a jazz show that's happening tonight (Joshua Redman came to Montana!) but tickets were $60. Also it would mean being in a crowded room full of strangers and I'm still not doing that. I haven't been to a live show since February 2020.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:14 (one month ago) link
seems like a pretty big difference between pearl jam gouging fans and working independent bands trying to survive in an era when playing shows is literally the only way to make any money
― na (NA), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:34 (one month ago) link
otm, yes, ticket prices are up but let's not conflate the two.
I'm somewhat heartened to see Pearl Jam seems to be getting some pretty significant blowback from fans over these prices, if reddit and other forums are anything to go by.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 17:20 (one month ago) link
Old enough to remember this lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR8Uook5Cq0
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 17:52 (one month ago) link
To be clear, there are so many factors right now that I don't think the ticket prices in 2024 are 100% Pearl Jam's fault. It's just jarring to see the costs given how much work they put into fighting the good fight back when.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 17:57 (one month ago) link
Even Springsteen finally and unapologetically hiked ticket prices. But don't discount (no pun intended) the impact of scalpers and bots and secondary.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:08 (one month ago) link
I also just generally don't think these kind of ticket prices are sustainable. I kind of understand the first major tour for big artists/bands since the pandemic, but I just don't see how it's going to hold up at this level long term when every major touring act is $150+ just to get in the door.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:12 (one month ago) link
xxxxpost was anybody actually comparing the two? nobody I saw actually suggested independent bands were guilty of anything or even that the causality was the same.
The big ticket tours are now astronomically priced to where the average fan can't attend without putting it on a credit card or making monthly payments on it, and that's if they can even get through the flawed Ticketmaster queues. that's the biggest problem and the byproduct of an essential monopoly in the industry that has been allowed to continue unchecked, combined with Ticketmaster intentionally flipping fans the bird after their huge settlement by deliberately making the fees almost half the ticket cost.
my point about underground metal shows is they're affordable in that the average person can go to them, which is awesome, but that even some of these have ballooned in recent years, to where someone who went to 3 a month might be going to 1 a month now. that isn't the band's fault, that's just garden variety inflation, and not the industry-level dickery or outright gouging that some bands are complicit in.
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:13 (one month ago) link
In 1993 Pearl Jam played the exact venue that Coachella would eventually take place (I believe it was called "The Polo Fields at Indio" at the time?) as Ticketmaster had no domain over that venue and PJ sold ~25k tickets at $18 w/o the usual 30% TM fee.
Within a year, Ticketmaster had gained domain of that venue.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:21 (one month ago) link
We've discussed this on ilx a lot, but the fundamental truth is as far as supply and demand goes, these bands by and large could probably price their tickets at whatever they want. There is only one Pearl Jam, there is only one Taylor Swift, there is only one Beyoncé, and so on, and they can all only play one show at a time. Finding a mere 20 or 50 or 70,000 people to pay high prices for those shows, that's actually not a particularly big lift. But yeah, even small club shows, $30 a ticket, plus fees, seems pretty common these days, if not low. Shit adds up.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:34 (one month ago) link
and for bands that are struggling I expect increases to continue because touring overseas got way more expensive after the pandemic, some bands just outright can't afford to do it at all anymore. and many instances of bands showing up and having a band member detained and having visa denied because 'reasons'.
fortunately devoted fans in any scene often go to great lengths to hear the music they love. I remember being at some show (I think Nile maybe, or Venom Inc) where the guy behind me said "shit I shouldn't be here tonight, now I don't have rent money - oh well, landlord is gonna wait, i'm not missing this band." - hifive! though when you get to three digits it's harder. I think I paid almost $150 for Iron Maiden in 2022, but...worth it. even if I had to put it on Klarna
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:46 (one month ago) link
Pearl Jam one is bizarre because I saw them just under a decade ago and the prices, even for an arena tour, were nothing like this
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:47 (one month ago) link
Pertinent question, have you checked out tickets for Iron Maiden in 2024? Have they gone up in just 2 years?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:49 (one month ago) link
The Cure proved you can successfully push back as an artist, so I'm giving side-eye to just about everyone now.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 21:44 (one month ago) link
Someone in my work Slack is helping a friend sell a pair of tix for Kylie Minogue in Las Vegas; in addition to the ticket price, the venue imposes a $500 food/beverage minimum for the table – which I thought was pretty funny. (I looked it up, and turns out that's just for a 2-person table; the minimum escalates to $1,000 for four seats, and higher for more.)
― Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Thursday, 29 February 2024 21:45 (one month ago) link
On the other end of things, I saw that Matthew Sweet was coming to town, and tickets are $35, and ... that feels about right! But I bet he could have pitched a "Plays 'Girlfriend' In Its Entirety" concert and charged more.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 February 2024 22:29 (one month ago) link
well, it's finally happening. i just put on Pearl Jam. loving feeling like i'm in junior high again.
― Swen, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:05 (one month ago) link
I like the new album much more than I expected to. still need to get to know it for a bit longer but so far so good!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 April 2024 07:06 (one week ago) link
I know all the attention is over at the Swift thread, but I was hoping to see VG's preliminary thoughts on this one, I'm cautiously optimistic now!
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 April 2024 14:12 (one week ago) link
it's pretty good
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 14:12 (one week ago) link
I heard the single, or what must be the single, a few days ago in the car and had no idea it was them. It sounded like some sort of other alt rock song from the late '90s.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 April 2024 14:17 (one week ago) link
yeah the single was like the least-best song as it turns out
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 April 2024 15:33 (one week ago) link
it's very 90's grunge sounding, and i love it
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 19 April 2024 15:36 (one week ago) link
yeah they’re not reinventing the wheel really at all, just maybe leaning harder into what they’ve always done well ie melodic rock
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:26 (one week ago) link
This interview w Jeff Ament on his favorite bass players is pretty good https://www.guitarworld.com/features/jeff-ament-11-bassists-who-shaped-my-sound
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 April 2024 21:57 (one week ago) link
Faves on Dark Matter so far:React, RespondWon’t TellSetting Sun the only one i don’t love & i feel SO mean for saying this is “Something Special” which is obviously for his/their daughters & i’m happy for all you dads but it’s a bit too campfire or something likr cant you put this on another ukulele album or something I KNOW I KNOW I AM MEAN I AM SORRY
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 April 2024 01:47 (one week ago) link