Will the real M|A|R|R|S - "Pump Up the Volume" please stand up?

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i forgot the (swirling distorted psychedlic screechy guitarsy sounds) includes 'yeah yeah' at end of first and second (i think) 4 bars and 'now low down now now low down...now low down' (?) at end of third 4 bars

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

FULL SAMPLE OF 'ROADBLOCK' INTRO

and this is sliced up along with the siren....i think the original version featured the actual word 'Roadblock' after the lengthy 'heeeeeeeeyyy' and this was what SAW appeared to object to

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

always thought it was the (original?) REMIX 12" that contained the Roadblock sample.

if that's right then it's BADR707 you're looking for
*NOT* BAD707 (the ORIGINAL most familiar basic version, which was the chart 12")

this sounds like fairly labyrinthine issue though so try to check it out before you buy

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

i'd rather have the 7" than the 12" as i figure that would've given me the edit but with more samples - humph

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

You all do realise that AR Kane were part of M/A/R/R/S and they performed "Anitina" , right?

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 30 October 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

M/A/R/R/S was AR Kane + Colourbox. "Anitina" destroys, Dr. Annabel Lies is OTM in that descript.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

And of course evo has something to say: http://www.evo.org/4ad-faq/artists/colourbox/m-a-r-r-s.txt

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

AR Kane + Colourbox + Dave Dorrel did the samples and scratches etc.

i loved that Colourbox track "hot doggie" which had a similar vibe.

jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

ok, Mr. Snrub ... you made me want to suss this out a bit myself. I have two releases of the song that I bought when it came out, the original US picture sleeve 45 on 4th & Broadway, and an import CD single on 4AD.

I just listened to the CD single and I can state with certainty that #2 in your list is track 1 on the CD (titled "Pump Up the Volume (Re-Mix)"), and #1 on your list is track 2 on the CD (titled "Pump Up the Volume"). It's just a 4 track cd, original version and "Re-Mix" version of both songs, 4AD catalog number BAD707CD. Nowhere on the packaging does it give attribution for the "Re-Mix" versions, but it actually lists two different engineers for the two versions (!); John Fryer for the original, and Nigel K. Hine for the remix. Not sure why their would be different engineers; maybe Hine did the guitar solo - not present on the original - but then wouldn't his name be listed alongside Fryer's, not by itself?

I have no idea if this had an exact equivalent vinyl issue.

Now I want to play my 45 but first I have to try to find it. This may take a while..

And yeah, "Anitina" fucking rules!! god, I haven't listened to that in over a decade.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 October 2003 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

OK, so the US 45 is definitely #4 in Snrub's list. 4th & Broadway catalog number BWAY 7452C. Here, the engineer is listed as "Steve Osborne, assisted by Julian Adair" (!!) On the pic sleeve, it says "Pump Up the Volume (Radio Edit)", but on the record label itself, it says "Pump Up the Volume (in Bright Lights Big City)" (!) I guess it was on the soundtrack to that flick, wasn't it? Funny cuz the movie wasn't released until '88, but this 45 definitely dates from '87. Now I'm gonna have to scare that record up and see if the version is any different.. (i'm bored)

still haven't unearthed a "mars needs women" version.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 October 2003 02:45 (twenty years ago) link

#4 is the one I remember hearing on the radio. I also have an MP3 of that version.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

Follow holler...follow hollering....

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

i loved that Colourbox track "hot doggie" which had a similar vibe.

Didn't some ilxor once comment on that as a sort of proto-Avalanches? Pretty otm.

OleM (OleM), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:53 (twenty years ago) link

Mr Diamond - how different is the remix of "Anitina" to the normal version? I've often wondered, and never actually found a copy myself. Is it stupendously better, or just different?

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

Rob, they just threw in a two-minute breakdown/buildup in the middle. Least effort remix candidate #41954.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

put the needle on the record put the needle on the record put the needle on the record when the (?) beats go like this

The (?) is supposed to be "...when the thump beats go like this", at least from my impression

(Ofra Haza bit)

You certain this is Ofra Haza? It certainly isn't "Im Nin'Alu", which was sampled by Eric B & Rakim and later became a huge hit.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 1 November 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, frankly I don't think that's Ofra Haza. I mean if it is her, then the sample is very obviously sped-up, but even the singing style doesn't sound like hers...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 1 November 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

i agree! i don't know what it is but just went along with what seemed to be the general consensus.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 2 November 2003 04:01 (twenty years ago) link

six years pass...
five years pass...

http://i.imgur.com/4usHqI1.jpg

Useful chart from Wikipedia.

This is always one of my favorite things to revisit, because I never remember which one it is that I like the most so I end up listening to all of them.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 October 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link

The bit that everyone thinks is Ofra Haza is by an Islamic singer from the 70s...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_YmA__ud0w

Tantrum The Cat, Sunday, 11 October 2015 23:35 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I didn't realize until today that it wasn't Ofra Haza because I'd always just accepted it was Ofra Haza because that's who everyone has always said it was.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 October 2015 00:00 (eight years ago) link

<i>Yeah, I didn't realize until today that it wasn't Ofra Haza because I'd always just accepted it was Ofra Haza because that's who everyone has always said it was.

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink</i>

Oh, absolutely - I thought the same until I saw that video...

Tantrum The Cat, Monday, 12 October 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link

Oops, screwed up the codes. I rarely comment here anymore!!!

Tantrum The Cat, Monday, 12 October 2015 02:42 (eight years ago) link

five years pass...

On my single album tape, in USA: (will need to find and see the time duration posted for it)

"put the needle on the record, put the needle on the record, put the needle on the record when the tone beats go like this"

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Now, I don't know WHERE that version with commands the soul came from!!! but that is NOT what is on the single tape album I have and been playing over and over for years until I had no more tape drive in car or house!

On the tape album it is:
Rhythematic, Systematic, World Control... Magnetic, Genetic, to match your soul!

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"MARRS needs women"

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And it's "we gonna get you!"

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Trezore, Monday, 6 September 2021 05:05 (two years ago) link

I always heard “when the drum beats go like this..”

Mark G, Monday, 6 September 2021 06:26 (two years ago) link

Listen here zoomers or Gen-Z or whatever the fuck you call yourselves, you have no idea how good you have it. Back in MY day you couldn’t just look up whatever you wanted on Wikipedia. No, you had to start stupid ILM threads instead.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 6 September 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link

I've ended up blogging the whole history of "Pump Up The Volume", as related in James Hamilton's weekly Record Mirror dance section.

Here's how it actually went.

8th August 1987: white labels are circulated. This came at a time when a lot of UK dance acts were issuing promos that were deliberately made to look like US imports, in a bid to scam tastemaker DJs into taking them seriously, the most successful of these scams being Stock Aitken Waterman's "Roadblock" (first reviewed as a pseudo-import on 20th June 1987, and unmasked a week later). However, while SAW had been at pains to disguise the tell-tale runout matrix numbers, M|A|R|R|S hadn't been so careful, and so JH wasn't fooled for a second, writing:

Colourbox, augmented by scratchers CJ Mackintosh and Dave Dorrell, are the actual artistes cunningly disguised on “interesting” looking white labels of MARRS ‘Pump Up The Volume’ (4AD BAD 707), a vigorously pounding jittery 113bpm doom-laden instrumental in ‘Put The Needle To The Record’ style, the scam being blown by its undisguised matrix number (the one that’s engraved on every record in the run-out groove area, in this country usually the same as the actual catalogue number), which doesn’t stop it being a hot one!

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:19 (two years ago) link

15th August 1987: the white label version (as yet unaugmented by any vocal samples beyond Rakim's titular quote) enters the club chart at 71, while JH writes:

M|A|R|R|S ‘Pump Up The Volume’ could be due for one of Jonathon More’s “cold cuts” remixes, especially as much of CJ Mackintosh and Dave Dorrell’s original scratching was left off the finished master because Colourbox felt it obscured the actual music.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:19 (two years ago) link

22nd August 1987: In the same week that the official release is reviewed (the white label having climbed to #24), PWL pull a breathtaking stunt, as JH relates:

Phil Harding did the PWL Mix of Sybil ‘My Love Is Guaranteed’, but he and Pete Waterman have already created yet another totally different 118⅓bpm Red Ink Mix (Champion CHAMPR 1255), based unbelievably — in the most brazen scam to date — on the only just released M|A|R|R|S ‘Pump Up The Volume’, copying its beefy bounce and with a more houseified instrumental Part 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfsPod9cxDU
(Part 2 starts at 5:33 - it really is the most outrageous rip-off that you could imagine, with no composer credits to M|A|R|R|S in sight.)

JH reviews the official release thusly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0430AYvMYm4

M|A|R|R|S ‘Pump Up The Volume’ (4AD BAD 707)
Having built such a buzz on promo that it’s even been copied in the latest Sybil remix (see Odds ‘n’ Bods) before it came out, this bass bounced vigorously pounding ominous 112¾bpm jittery groove in the Criminal Element Orchestra mould is the work of Colourbox and A R Kane members with rare groove beats and scratching by CJ Mackintosh and Dave Dorrell. A sizzler!

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link

29th August 1987: Sybil's Red Ink Mix enters the club chart at #81, while the still promo-only M|A|R|R|S version climbs to #18; it is officially released this week.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link

5th September 1987: M|A|R|R|S enters the pop chart at #35, eclipsing Sybil who peaks at #42 on her second week (albeit in the track's original mix). JH tells us:

I hear that Colourbox plan to pay back the Sybil Red Ink Mix by “borrowing” something off the label for their M|A|R|R|S follow-up!

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link

12th September 1987: The remix of "Pump Up The Volume" surfaces, making good on JH's hint from the previous week, with its vocal sample from "Roadblock". An edit of the remix will also be used on the main 7-inch release, and its accompanying video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9gOQgfPW4Y

M|A|R|R|S’ exciting 113bpm ‘Pump Up The Volume (Remix)’ (4AD BAD 707R) actually starts with less impact but has far more stuff scratched and sampled over it, including digital repetition of just part of Tom Browne’s ‘Funkin’ For Jamaica’ high note, and some bizarre Eastern singing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7b0v9Olp1c

The original mix reaches #1 on the club chart.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link

19th September 1987: While the original mix remains at #1 on the club chart, the remix debuts at #11, as a combination of promo 12" and official 7". Sybil's Red Ink mix has now climbed to #4.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link

26th September 1987: JH's lead news item concerns SAW's legal action against the remix:

STOCK AITKEN WATERMAN had, as we went to press last week, taken out an injunction to prevent sales of the M|A|R|R|S remix because of its scratched-in use of a tiny bit from ‘Roadblock’, but later withdrew this before going to court (at that stage the remix was only available commercially as the seven-inch, the 12-inch now being out too) – it could have become a test case about the use of samples and scratches filched from other people’s records, so maybe it was dropped because it could also have become a case of the pot calling the kettle black? … Pete Waterman maintains that the use of ‘Pump Up The Volume’ in Sybil’s Red Ink Mix is something that M|A|R|R|S should have out with her label, Champion, rather than getting back at him through ‘Roadblock’ (especially as his involvement with the Red Ink Mix was, he claims, minimal).

JH also notes that the acappella of Michael Jackson's similarly tempoed "Bad" synchs superbly over "Pump Up The Volume".

The club chart has the original mix at #1, Sybil's Red Ink mix at its peak position of #3, and the now officially released 12" remix at #4. Only Levert's "Casanova" at #2 stands in the way of total top three domination.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:21 (two years ago) link

3rd October 1987: It's a clean sweep for "Pump Up The Volume", which reaches #1 on the pop chart (where it will remain for two weeks) and #1 on Record Mirror's separately compiled "Pop Dance" DJ reaction chart (the start of a five week run at #1). On the club chart, the remix dislodges the original mix at #1, where it will also remain for two weeks, giving the track five combined weeks at the top. Rakim's sampled titular line starts to crop up on other records, initially on Big One Crew featuring Cut Master MC 'Reggae Got Soul' and Blue Mercedes 'I Want To Be Your Property (Street Latin Wolff Mix)'. There will be many, many more.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:21 (two years ago) link

10th October 1987: The court case is confirmed, now dressed up as a matter of principle.

Stock Aitken Waterman are taking M|A|R|R|S to court over their use of ‘Roadblock’ in a scratch – had they asked for permission it would have been given, but this test case (probably not heard until next year) is being brought to obtain a ruling about the whole use of samples and scratches, in the hope of clarifying the law.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:21 (two years ago) link

31st October 1987: JH reports that in West Germany, "all sorts of new “versions” of M|A|R|R|S’ 'Pump Up The Volume' are appearing, the best cutting in Rolling Stones-type stuff."

21st November 1987: One of these German bootlegs surfaces, but I can find no further evidence of its existence

Bert Rogers kindly sent me from Germany his own copy of the locally bootlegged Jeli version of ‘Pump Up The Volume’, re-scratched and over-dubbed with added rock guitar intros by such as the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton, 0- 114⅓-113¼-114½-0-115-0bpm before then branching out into a very long general disco oldies medley.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:22 (two years ago) link

5th December 1987: SAW reference the impending court case in a remix, with the mock trial commencing from 4:01:

Stock Aitken Waterman’s disappointing ‘Pack Jammed (With The Party Posse)’ is also due on December 13 in a far better (0-)99¼-0bpm Writ Mix (Breakout USAF 620, flipped by the (0-)99¼bpm original), with lots of snips from the team’s other hit productions and John Sachs laying off on the “skiddendaddy” to play instead a high court judge who, by the use of amusing cut ups, seems to be trying M|A|R|R|S for sampling the scream from ‘Roadblock’ – this could indeed make the record sub judice as the “guilty” verdict might be seen to influence the real court case that’s pending!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJoylZarMIE

Two US remixes of "Pump Up The Volume emerge:

M|A|R|R|S’ 113bpm US remix of ‘Pump Up The Volume’ (US 4th + B’way BWAY 452) has had its samples carefully vetted, and includes a new “Mars needs women” overlaid 113¼-0bpm Bonus Beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5yzeSkPMqA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnlF194MN0

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:22 (two years ago) link

4th June 1988: Rakim's sample re-emerges on L.A. Mix's "Check This Out", which peaks at #6 on the pop chart this week. The 7" version, and the video version that was shown on Top Of The Pops, also feature James Hamilton's filmed riposte ("GET OFF!"), at 1:52.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POkFroHYd6s

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:22 (two years ago) link

17th December 1988:

Stock Aitken Waterman’s case against M|A|R|R|S (for the unauthorised use of a snip from ‘Roadblock’ in ‘Pump Up The Volume’), long anticipated as a test case about sampling, appears to have ended up by being settled out of court in Pete Waterman’s favour, thus depriving the industry of some possible legal precedents.

24th December 1988: The saga concludes.

4AD Records, apologising unreservedly for not first obtaining permission before M|A|R|R|S used a two second sample of Stock Aitken Waterman ‘Roadblock’ in ‘Pump Up The Volume’ – to complete last week’s report – gave a donation at Pete Waterman’s request to the Great Ormond Street Hospital For Children, and a substantial contribution towards legal costs.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 11:22 (two years ago) link

JH also notes that the acappella of Michael Jackson's similarly tempoed "Bad" synchs superbly over "Pump Up The Volume".

YSI?

fantastic work mike, thanks!

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 15:11 (two years ago) link

Since you asked nicely!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt3os_PF_zA

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link

nothing could beat this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3S_GMobKvU

xzanfar, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link

neat, i gotta dig in here.


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