Let's talk about Bill Withers.

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i forgot how much i loved 'Still Bill'. stole it from my moms a long time ago. it's an amazing funky folk record.

if you're in to this you should definitely check out Eugene McDaniels' AMAZING "Headless Heroes of the Apocalypse". by far one of my favorite albums of all time. funk, folk, soul. one of two albums i own in two formats (record and cd). the other being kinda similar too - Shuggie Otis "Inspiration Information"

JasonD (JasonD), Saturday, 19 April 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

Jay, yes, the ca. '73 live double (_Live at Carnegie Hall_) is great. Legacy reissued it in '98, so it should be findable.

Bit of a tangent here, but does anyone know of any other West Virginia natives who (a) had a career comparable (quality- and/or longeivity-wise) to Withers and (b) weren't working in folk, C&W, or bluegrass? This WV native is curious. . .

Jeff Wright, Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

singing 'lovely daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay' c/d?

michael wells (michael w.), Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:22 (twenty years ago) link

Funny, I was just thinking about him earlier, as I was remembering some track that samples "Ain't No Sunshine." Couldn't recall for the life of me what it was, though. Anyone know?

Chris A. (Chris A.), Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

A Basehead track throws in a notable sample of it on their first album, but not as the core hook.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

how do you turn a duck into a soul singer?

put it in a microwave until its bill withers.

michael wells (michael w.), Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

er, DMX' godawful cover thing? (which just goes to prove the "deathless" part)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

"Borrowing" great records from your parents = classic.

It's really gratifying to see the Bill Withers love here. Good question about West Virginia; what's the black population there, percentage-wise?

The drumming on Still Bill is sort of a miracle; the backing band is basically the Watts 103rd St Rhythm Band, whose own records I haven't heard (recommendations?)--all kinds of crazy 16th notes on the hi-hat and stuff.

Amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 19 April 2003 06:21 (twenty years ago) link

how about Joe Simon instead. Ever heard his version of 'To Get To You'? Or 'Glad You Came My Way' (producer: Porter Wagoner--believe it) Put your hair in curlers, son

rumpelstiltskin, Saturday, 19 April 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

"instead"? how about both son?

Amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 19 April 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

Blackstreet of course sampled 'Grandma's Hands' for 'No Diggity', but 'Ain't No Sunshine'??? Some chill out group did a pretty decenyt cover az year back or so... anyone remember THEIR name???

Jay K (Jay K), Saturday, 19 April 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

best version of Aint No Sunshine = Rahsaan Roland Kirk's

autovac (autovac), Saturday, 19 April 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

Bill Withers is classic beyond question for 'Lovely Day' and 'Lean on Me' alone.

And 'borrowing' records from your parents = k-classic.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 April 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

Watts 103rd St Rhythm Band, whose own records I haven't heard (recommendations?)

i just picked up the record (25$) of Charles Wright and the 103rd st Rhythm Band's "Express Yourself" for a friend. it has the song made most famous by NWA on (duh) "Express Yourself." the album's cool but i don't think it's worth 25$. if it's available on used cd i'd look for it.

and i didn't realize they were the backing band on Still Bill. that's cool to know.

JasonD (JasonD), Saturday, 19 April 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

Just the Two of Us is so classic, I've heard a lot of great versions...listening to Rebirth Brass Band's right now in fact.

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 19 April 2003 20:12 (twenty years ago) link

yes classic. will try and get those two recs you mention amateurist.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

Still Bill is one of my favorites - he's just brilliant

luna (luna.c), Sunday, 20 April 2003 19:53 (twenty years ago) link

i think DMX covered "Ain't No Sunshine" for the sdtrk. to "Exit Wounds".

mosurock (mosurock), Sunday, 20 April 2003 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

best version of Aint No Sunshine = Rahsaan Roland Kirk's

Wrong. Finest cover of "Ain't No Sunshine" is by Jack Natz's BLACKSNAKES.

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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 20 April 2003 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

dude alex yr totally violating the nabisco dictum.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

*Shudders*

I just heard the sound of 20 ILx0rs being fired.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:04 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
how do you turn a duck into a soul singer?

put it in the microwave until its bill withers

del a robbo, Saturday, 17 May 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
" I can't Write Left Handed" is blowing me away. i've practically had it on repeat for the last 3 days. WOW. (This is only slghtly ruined by the fact that Rick Astley stole the harmonies for his actually pretty good soul pastiche "cry for help"). The version i have seems to be a live version - is this the most commonly available version? anything more along these lines from his catalogue i should look out for? if you haven't heard this you really must. You will thank me, i assure you.

jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 5 August 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Jill Scott did a mean version of "Use Me" when I saw her live in Manchester a couple of years back- and it was the opening tune. "Harlem" is a bit of a belter too, more of a foot-stompin'-soul type Bill - he did a bit of presenting for BBC Radio 2 last year on a series of soul retospective programmes.

neil tacus (tacit), Thursday, 5 August 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Twista & Anthony Hamilton made me want to buy lots of Bill Withers albums.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 August 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"I can't Write Left Handed" is blowing me away

yeah i was just going to bring this one up, too. i like the version on the live at carnegie hall album best. more/less relevant than ever?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

what's Menagerie like then?

Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I always wanted to hear a version of "Use Me" sung by a woman... would change the implications of the song considerably, I think.

Also always loved "Who Is He (And What Is He To You?)," esp. Gladys Knight's spine-chilling version...

-- Douglas (il...), April 19th, 2003.

I don't know where it came from, but I've got a version of it by Fiona Apple that's pretty true to the original.

JC-L (JC-L), Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm listening to ain't no sunshine right now. one of those songs that makes me want to put my head under a pillow.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, he's fine. "Lonely Town, Lonely Street" is amazing. "Another Day to Run" too. I had only remembered him from his hits and then went out and bought the reissue of "Still Bill." He makes it sound so effortless.

Joe Simon I like too--he recorded for Sound Stage 7 in Nashville. A bit more of a conventionally "good" singer but great.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 5 August 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

dude alex yr totally violating the nabisco dictum.

...and I'd do it again.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 5 August 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

live at carneige hall is a fantastic live album. even bill's jokes come off well.

splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 6 August 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link

wtf's the nabisco dictum?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 6 August 2004 10:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Bill was a frequent guest on teevee variety shows back in the day, always relaxed and great. Saw him on one of those reruns of the Flip Wilson Show recently, doing "Lean On Me" with a live vocal over a pre-taped backing track. Whatayacallit when they do that -- strum-synch? Makes the drummer look ridiculous.

It's always a cool breeze to the earholes when "Soul Shadows" comes on during the drive-time Quiet Storm show.

briania (briania), Friday, 6 August 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Woven Hand, side project of 16 Horsepower's singer David Eugene Edwards, recorded a great, haunting version of "Ain't No Sunshine". An even better version (or adaptation, named "Animalitos (aint no sunshine)") appears on his/their second album, Blush Music, the material of which he wrote for a ballet piece by the Ultima Vez dance co.

willem (willem), Friday, 6 August 2004 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Agreed, the DEE version of 'Ain't No Sunshine' is superb. (And yes, the Blush Music version is better.)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the jackson 5 version of aint no sunshine.

splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Live at the Carnegie Hall is his best record & one of my all time favourites. i love the between song banter on this one. If you didn't already know how great he was just from his studio work, listening to ...Carnegie Hall your heart swells to bursting with love for the man. When he says "alot of folks from all different nationalities and things come up to me and say... 'i dug my grandmother too'", as an intro to "Granda's hands", it brings a huge lump to my throat. the gently feminist intro to "let me in your life" is beautiful.

highlights, as vahid noted above, "I can't write left handed" - more relevant than ever now. the long held note on "she's go-o-o-o-o-o-one" in the track "hope she'll be happier" is probably even more astonishing than the one on "Lovely Day".

if you don't have this album you must buy it.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

for a man who claimed to be really shy as a youth, bill withers sure knew how to handle a crowd...those between-song raps on the CARNEGIE HALL album are as worthwhile as the songs themselves!

also seek out the soundtrack to SAVE THE CHILDREN (a 1973 concert movie of a Jesse Jackson/Operation PUSH rally from the year before)...bill starts out his portion of the album by saying something like: "ten years ago, if we saw THIS many black people in one place...even WE woulda been scared!" kinda makes up for the fact that he starts out "lean on me" wildly offkey

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Thursday, 29 June 2006 03:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Big interview in the last wax poetics, btw. bought it, haven't read it. Hey, Rev Hoodoo!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 29 June 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

oh damn i wish i had a copy of still bill with me right now.. i burned a copy without "stand by me," because it started suffering from the beggar's banquet::"sympathy for the devil" syndrome.. i think i prefer it to any marvin gaye or al green album (except for 'call me,' maybe). "who is he (and what is he to you)" is about the best track ever..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 29 June 2006 03:49 (seventeen years ago) link

whazzup stormy! withers is always good for a quip or two, even today, so youve got an incredible interview to look forward to, along with a mess of photos ive never seen before...

(you should also check out the DVD that comes with the recent reissue of JUST AS I AM...my man Bill is just going OFF in the modern-day interview segments!)

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Thursday, 29 June 2006 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

And speaking of JUST AS I AM (as I was up above)...that's another reason why Bill stands out from a typical soul singer of the time...the cover of that album was AN OUT-OF-FOCUS INSTAMATIC PHOTO OF BILL ON HIS LUNCH BREAK AT HIS DAY JOB INSTALLING AIRPLANE ENGINES! i mean, he's got his lunch pail in his hand and everything! it's not uncommon for a future superstar to hold on to his day job till the big bucks start rolling in, but Bill was practically FLAUNTING IT IN THE OPEN! "yeah, I still have my job at Boeing, so what?"

JUST AS I AM was actually reissued on Columbia in the eighties featuring an updated photo of a bearded Bill in a suit (my, how far we've come), but the new CD version (again on Columbia) restores the original day-job cover from '71!

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Thursday, 29 June 2006 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

for some reason, that cover always reminded me of george mccrae's "rock your baby"

http://img.hmv.co.jp/image/jacket/190/14/5/8/355.jpg http://www.comicgenius.com/DiscoFever/disco_profiles/george_mccrae/images/rock.gif

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Thursday, 29 June 2006 04:39 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Just downloaded 'Justments (74), and it's great. Wondering why no one is reissuing it.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Co-sign on JUSTMENTS. Totally underrated album. Although three of these songs ("The Same Love That Made Me Laugh," "Heartbreak Road," and the bitter-as-all-hell "You") were hit singles on the soul charts, none of them crossed over pop. This album didn't have the same momentum of his first two, but music-wise it still has the same high standards.

Then he changed labels and got more and more "quiet storm" as the years went on, and that's where I get off the train re: Withers. But damn if JUST AS I AM, STILL BILL, the live LP and JUSTMENTS weren't an incredible four-album run.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Monday, 30 October 2006 07:57 (seventeen years ago) link

There is also an amazing B side to be found on the 'You Got the Stuff' 12'', from er, sometime in the 70's...

It's a disco edit/extended mix that sounds like Bill Withers and Quincy Jones being chopped and blunted by Madlib and then fed through the Akufen machine for a futuristic cleaning.

Italo-disco/Cosmic DJs love this track - I have no idea who did this remix - but if it were 3600 minutes long it would still be too short.

greypejooze (Ryanssssss), Monday, 30 October 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The way he held those long notes on "Lovely Day" was impressive.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 October 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread caused me to buy Live At The Carnegie, which is great. Thank you thread.

Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Bill Withers is great.
period.
his delivery is what gets me.

edde (edde), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't rmde at "ft. Lenny Kravitz." He hadn't started to suck yet in early '93.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 April 2020 16:51 (four years ago) link

bill withers is a big one for me. coming up on ecstasy and the dj playing lovely day is one of the most transcendent moments I've ever had with music.

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Friday, 3 April 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link

just remembering, freddie king's 'ain't no sunshine,' which is solid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTboI4LDt4I

some rippin' live versions out there too

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 April 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link

here's a couple of my favourite versions of "ain't no sunshine"

caterina caselli, 1972:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g53QYP5jPpI

junko ohashi, 1976:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfPgOHcrlIs

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 3 April 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link

Soulful is such an overworked word, but he had one of those voices (Arthur Alexander is another) where just the sheer humanity and... soulfulness of it can often bring me to tears. RIP, Bill.

Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Friday, 3 April 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link

I love this man so much. what a life.

"You Got The Stuff" off 'Bout Love is a great late 70s deep cut. Especially if you find the version with the disco outro

Heez, Friday, 3 April 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link

the most pleasant voice of all time. RIP

so many great songs and a really easy discography to get through.

'stories' always hits me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RSogOduEA

Spottie, Friday, 3 April 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-2n7VLBHi0

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 3 April 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link

RIP Getting hipped to the live album is one of the best things ILX did for me. That complete albums box Legacy did was an A+ package all the way down.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 3 April 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link

dunno if its been posted upthread but this live TV set is really something. The version of "Let Me In Your Life" is jaw dropping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwgggzBgJfM

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 3 April 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link

I'd shared thoughts on Live at Carnegie Hall on Twitter and here's a tidbit:

This is his best album. When I told him I loved it, he smiled and told me "that might've been the best show I ever played." https://t.co/6xO56i8xlR

— Scott Collette (@ScottJCollette) April 3, 2020

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 April 2020 18:48 (four years ago) link

Was just listening again to some of it, and was reminded that the strings & horns were overdubbed, surely one of the best instances of sweetening on a live album EVAH.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 3 April 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link

Hope She's Happier With Him off Carnegie Hall is devastating. Such a beautiful, sad, dark lyric, so perfectly delivered.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Friday, 3 April 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link

i dug my grandmother too

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 3 April 2020 19:16 (four years ago) link

I was sort of shocked by him when I "discovered" him, after having heard his songs for years (and not always realizing they were by the same person). The soulfulness of his voice, concision of his songwriting, richness of his melodies, and an overall sense of maturity that always set him apart — I'm sure partly having to do with not getting famous until he was in his 30s, but also seeming to emanate from from something inside him. Music by a grown-up for grown-ups.

It's been heartening to see the outpouring for him, one of those giants kind of hiding in plain sight.

i always held out hope he would release new music or maybe even play again. The latter option gone forever now; hopeful there will be a posthumous release or two of some merit.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 3 April 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link

It's been a while since I saw the documentary but iirc it seemed like he was still making some music in his home studio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4j2e2d7U94

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 3 April 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link

^ blessed by the man himself at the start

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 3 April 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link

Hope She's Happier With Him off Carnegie Hall is devastating. Such a beautiful, sad, dark lyric, so perfectly delivered.

― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Friday, April 3, 2020 12:05 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 3 April 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link

on percussion, we got a lady

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Friday, 3 April 2020 21:30 (four years ago) link

very happy to learn Still Bill is on youtube

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Friday, 3 April 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link

Carmen McRae’s version of “Paint your pretty picture” is the only cover I know of that improves on Bill’s take

https://youtu.be/RknfFt06Uzs

Heez, Saturday, 4 April 2020 00:52 (four years ago) link

Withers got a real royalty juice when S.O.U.L S.Y.S.T.E.M'S pop house cover on The Bodyguard soundtrack got some play

i legitimately love that record

r.i.p. to this great artist

dyl, Saturday, 4 April 2020 05:35 (four years ago) link

xpost There's something else (very tangentially) cool about that Carmen McRae live album: it might be the first recorded appearance of Joey Baron on drums!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link

i moved in to a cozy little trailer with someone i'm in love with a few months ago. we're both jobless since covid but we're lucky to have some savings so in between bouts of anxiety about income we've both slowed down a little bit - not much to do but care for each other.

anyway i played menagerie the morning i heard he'd died and we had coffee and listened to it. the second "lovely day" started i was giving j. meaningful glances and trying to keep from outright bawling. i hadn't actually listened to menagerie before so it was quite a treat -- even the two disco tracks are good. we got to "tender things" and i told j. that bill withers had died and i cried and j. told me that the song's spirit matched mine. a compliment i'll always remember.

i am a horse girl (map), Monday, 6 April 2020 02:37 (four years ago) link

i wish i could really say what it is about bill withers that's so special. the familiarity with depression is a part of it. the ability to articulate so clearly what it is about sharing your life with another person that's so fulfilling is another part. and also a healthy, earth-bound sense of ones self in relation to another. a humility, a familiarity with limits. and just the crazy perfect songs, like they're natural fixtures in the world, like the world would be an absurd place by definition if they didn't exist.

i am a horse girl (map), Monday, 6 April 2020 02:51 (four years ago) link

four weeks pass...

My brass band finally finished the tribute that we recorded after he passed, it took awhile to figure out recording in our separate homes and putting a video together:
https://www.facebook.com/mamadigdown/videos/3043741569039500/

All proceeds go to the New Orleans Brass Band Musicians Relief Fund:
https://digdown.bandcamp.com/track/just-the-two-of-us-2

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link

this is solid man, thanks!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link

thanks u!

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

The second side of Justments is the best of chill withers

Heez, Sunday, 5 November 2023 20:38 (five months ago) link

Such a fantastic record. Would like to play Railroad Man out somewhere people might dance to it.

Yngwie Azalea (stevie), Sunday, 5 November 2023 21:01 (five months ago) link

i def would.

also 'justments is his best album.

"another slice of death, please." (Austin), Sunday, 5 November 2023 21:25 (five months ago) link


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