well, fair enough, yes, but if you did read the music press, and you didn't like the band, is sort of added insult to injury a bit. (whispers - just like prml scrm)
But why am I bothering writing anything in a C/D thread? Why does anybody bother?
it sure beats the hell out of an "only pick ten" thread.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
i think the rest of the country gets the same old bagpipe and fiddle routine.
― brian badword (badwords), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
Which is different from most other young and coming UK indie acts throughout history in which way? :-)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
But Jesus Jones wrote better, more melodic, songs than U2.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 22:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
Fighting words.
(As it stands, PWEI remain far better than both.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 23:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Mirov (nick), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
That said, up until and including "Doubt", I lurved them. Some of them B-sides are still groovy. A lot of it has dated unfortunately, but I still dig the early more PWEI-sounding stuff like "Info Freako" and "Never Enough". And they are still influencing lots of 'cross-over' 'electronic' 'rock' bands today (Prodigy anyone?), though no one will admit the nod, since the name 'Jesus Jones' has become so incredibly taboo. Won't defend Mike Edwards, the person, however.
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 10 April 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― russ t, Friday, 11 April 2003 08:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
But Ride's "Today Forever" EP pissed on it (and, let's face it, on most recorded music since then) from *such* a great height that I'd happily die never hearing JJ again.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 11 April 2003 09:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 11 April 2003 09:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 April 2003 10:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― russ t, Friday, 11 April 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 11 April 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 April 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― russ t, Friday, 11 April 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 11 April 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
That said I remember liking JJ a lot better than EMF or PWEI at the time (I even went out and bought Perverse, and liked it) (I was also fourteen)
― Millar (Millar), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Millar (Millar), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
I just wanted to point out that "nonetheless" makes no sense in this paragraph. Carry on discussion, this thread just proves to me that we've officially run out of bands.
― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Millar (Millar), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Millar (Millar), Friday, 11 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 11 April 2003 23:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 April 2003 23:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 12 April 2003 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
Maybe I should've posted that on the "Brag About Bands No One Else Cares About" thread...
― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 01:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
You all (except Ally) gush over Lou Reed and John Lydon but balk at Jesus Jones guy?
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 12 April 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 12 April 2003 16:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 12 April 2003 17:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
er...have you lost yr mind?!
''You all (except Ally) gush over Lou Reed and John Lydon but balk at Jesus Jones guy?''
Lydon made his last great record in 79/80, Lou reed in '75 (MMM). so there's a reason.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 12 April 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 12 April 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
???
Is the reason that they're old?
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 12 April 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
I got off the JJ train when Perverse first came out; I'm very wary of revisiting that album
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 16 August 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
i really like it.
(though could do with a bit of bass amongst the top end excess)
it fits in well with the whole pwei and neds discovering ministry/nin groove ...
― mark e, Friday, 16 August 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
you know there was a time before britpop took over that a select few bands in the uk took the usa styled guitar heavy industrial thing, (as opposed to the true industrial noise a la ptv, coil, cabs), and ran with it.
pwei, emf vs foetus, jesus jones, curve, neds, senser ...
no doubt i have missed some ..
reminders most welcome
(silverfish ? never heard their foetus produced material)
i am going to enjoy the xc-nn album tonight ...
it's bloody good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpRxStKJbFE
― mark e, Friday, 16 August 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
Sheep On Drugs! I liked a song or two of theirs. Ahem.
Cubanate, Mary Byker's shitty Hyperhead project? I'd forgotten about XC-NN too. What happened to that strain?
― the supreme personality of Godhead : a summary study (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 16 August 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link
SHEEP ON DRUGS RULED
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Friday, 16 August 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
oh fuck of course .. SOD .. and hyperhead (thats buried deep in the archive ... time to start digging)
Iain from JJ has reminded me of eskimos and egypt ...
XC-NN went onto become tin star i think.
there was also a garbage lite band formed by bloke from danny wilson : transister
their album was very much along this kinda thing, with one of their tracks featuring in a slasher movie.
― mark e, Friday, 16 August 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
i still really enjoy Doubt when i put it on i.e. tonight.
― mark e, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
D-U-D.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
oh well, time for EMF then.
― mark e, Friday, 17 November 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
Revive!!!
Have the years been kind?
Are we ever going to get to the bottom of this 'grebo' business, and what a grebo actually was?
Is this one of those bands where the US perspective is so inpenetrably different from the UK perspective that we might as well be discussing two different bands?
Is it weird that of all the comparisons on this thread, my boys The Shamen are never once mentioned - I just put Liquidiser on for the first time in nearly 30 years, and the first song is called "Move Mountains" and I actually yelped 'oh no you didn't' out loud?
― Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 10:50 (three years ago) link
Colin Angus: "In America, last year, Mike Edwards kept saying what a great influence we had on him, and it's true - he used to come to a lot of our gigs around this time. What he did was take some of our ideas about fusing rock and hip hop, and put polished melodies and lyrics on top. But I don't see Jesus Jones as plagiarists at all. Good luck to them."
Aw, bless. What a lovely man.
― Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 10:56 (three years ago) link
Funny, we were just on a road trip and my wife put on "Doubt," I think to see my reaction. I'd never heard it, but it was OK! I asked her if she used to listen to Ned's Atomic Dustbin and she said no, which I found intriguing, since I knew a few people that listened to Ned's Atomic Dustbin but no one that listened to Jesus Jones.
Fun fact: Jesus Jones's bassist plays with Jon Langford in the Waco Brothers here. I think a lot people think he's joking whenever he introduces him on stage as "superstar bassist of Jesus Jones" or whatever.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 13 September 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link
it's funny, I don't really equate Jesus Jones as being much like Shamen - one was a rock band with electronic influences, the other a dance act that broke into the alternative mainstream for a while
― Leighton Buzzword (dog latin), Sunday, 13 September 2020 12:35 (three years ago) link
Have the years been kind?No. I just put on “Real Real Real” because it’s on my phone for some reason, and no.
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 13 September 2020 13:54 (three years ago) link
Hey, DL, have you heard the albums Drop and In Gorbachev We Trust? Because The Shamen really didn't start as 'a dance act that broke into the alternative' - they started as a really psychedelic indie band, with vague ties to the Scottish end of C86 - and slowly became more and more dance oriented.
After hearing things like You, Me and Everything and Jesus Loves Amerika for the first time in 30 years - and then comparing those to e.g. Who, Where, Why - I was shocked, like, even down to "their bassist even has dreadlocks with shaved sides?!?!?" Seriously, listen to You, Me and Everything - Mike Edwards was even doing the exact same vocal fry (that Colin Angus later dropped, once he started being less influenced by the vocals on indie records, and more influenced by the vocals on house records).
No. I just put on “Real Real Real” because it’s on my phone for some reason, and no.
Aw, I didn't actually get that far. I listened to International Bright Young thing and Info Freako and Who, Where, Why and I was like "aw, these guys were better than I remembered?" but I suspect if I listened to Right Here Right Now I'd probably throw my phone across the room haha.
― Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link
The first two records are solid, imho, the only thing I find a little lacking is Mike's adherence to really similar vocal melodies and ticks.
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 13 September 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link
OK, truth be told, I made it 55 seconds in before I wanted to punch the Bez-dancing dude and I had to stop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBklIul0Rog
Mike Edwards, give Colin back his hoodie from the You, Me and Everything video, now, it's cold up in Aberdeen, you know.
― Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link
I just watched Right Here Right Now and my god, who goes to make their huge, career-changing video wearing their hair in a terrycloth scrunchie. Who.
― Grebo X Performance (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link
Real Real Real sounds like a cross between PWEI and the Inspiral Carpets? Perfect for the freshers week circuit, it's like music for dancefloors made sticky with vomit and spilled snakebite. They even dress like the lads from the Snowboard Soc so you know they're the cool kids
― this is my clean tone (NickB), Sunday, 13 September 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
Ha, funny revive -- I don't quite know how it happened but a few years back Iain Baker, the band's keyboardist, sent me a Facebook request; I accepted, and he's been a real pleasure to get to know via his many comments and posts. Talks about being a total post-punk fiend in the early 80s, which given all the dance experimentation makes sense. Has no airs, shares stories in an 'as it comes up' fashion and definitely looks back on what's been a steady enough career since with easygoing familiarity and friendliness.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
also, it's iain that's the 'bez dancing dude' in the video.and as ned says, he is genuinely a good'un.
― mark e, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
Aw, I’m sorry for slagging off his dancing if he is a genuinely nice bloke!
― Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
I’m sure he’s lovely. But he is not a good dancer. Sorry
ah, no I had no idea about this. I guess this was also true for a lot of acts who were known for dance or alt-dance in the nineties: Primal Scream, Underworld etc
― Leighton Buzzword (dog latin), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:28 (three years ago) link
Branwell, just checked out Jesus Loves Amerika and you're so right about the vocal style. Funny how both bands had a slightly metal/industrial aspect to them which might have gone on to influence bands like Senser, Apollo 440 and Pitchshifter
― Leighton Buzzword (dog latin), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link
I just put Liquidiser on for the first time in nearly 30 years, and the first song is called "Move Mountains" and I actually yelped 'oh no you didn't' out loud?
But didn't Liquidizer come out before Pro>gen?
― groovypanda, Monday, 14 September 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link
Ha, Liquidiser came out in Oct 1989 and the first version of Pro>Gen came out in March 1990, so... I suppose I have to allow it. ::narrows eyes::
The vocal style and delivery is really noticeable, I'm glad you agree, DL. We were talking about the Meat Beat Manifesto influence (wherein comes the Industrial edge, I think) on the Shamen thread earlier.
― Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link
I went and listened to Info Freako and it's not better than I remember, it's quite horrible but also have to say for 1989 not un-prescient in its depiction of 'information' addiction.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:26 (three years ago) link
"info freako" was always a painful tinnitus inducing 3 mins, but i took it as part of the songs individual appeal.actually, the whole 'liquidizer' album has an insane level of top end on it.i always suspected it was down to the bands lack of experience/knowledge/drugs, or, it was an artistic choice.no idea if the remastered editions revises this aspect.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
I remember at the time Mike Edwards was mentioning Big Black as an influence (I'm guessing the title Liquidiser was a hat-tip to Atomiser?) so maybe some of the squealing sonic assault was due to a few too many listens to Kerosene etc?
― all cats are greys (NickB), Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link
so many folks spelling the debut as 'Liquidiser' was it different in the US, as my UK copy is definitely 'Liquidizer' ?and yeah, good call, as Big Black were another top end heavy noise band ... never made the connection before, but makes sense actually.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
This is apparently the keyboard player Iain Baker who Ned mentions above wearing a Big Black t-shirt:
https://www.picuki.com/media/771861530817785988
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:43 (three years ago) link
Spellcheck innit. Not sure my phone will even allow me to type Liquidiser - nope, it changed it for me!
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
haha ..fair point.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link