More 9/11 conspiracy theory action ahoy -- with pictures!

Which also brings up a point of why there was never a fighter plane in the air, yet when a small aircraft runs low on cabin pressure, a fighter jet is there within 15 minutes?

http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

As far as the extent of the damage, I had always thought for some reason that the pantagon was actually built to withstand a direct nuclear strike, at least with the kind of atomic weapons payloads that were available when it was constructed.

Moses saw GOD in a burning Bush.

Kinda gives it that added extra edge...

now i'm just more confused... certainly, the missing footage alleged in this slideshow needs to surface.

i just found out one of my friend's is a hardcore 9/11 conspiracy theorist. we just now became e-friends and his profile page looks like some presidential assassin's. otherwise, he's a cool, nice, normal guy.

i sent him the link to this Popular Mechanics article and he hasn't responded.

(I guess I've felt similar when speaking with devout Christians, but I've dared to attack them.)

er, haven't dared to attack them.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ has been pretty good, but the best article arguing against WTC controlled demolition comes from the professional demolition folks at Implosion World. (PDF link)

lol Americans.

lol everything

LOL @ Americans

LOL @ Teh W0lrd

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<i> i just found out one of my friend's is a hardcore 9/11 conspiracy theorist. we just now became e-friends and his profile page looks like some presidential assassin's. otherwise, he's a cool, nice, normal guy.

i sent him the link to this Popular Mechanics article and he hasn't responded.<i/>

Did you, in the interests of a balanced debate, also include links to any of the many articles observing Popular Mechanics' failure to address the issues which feed so much 9/11 conspiracy theory?

Your friend might be more responsive then...

you fucking idiot trolls

nah, i don't really care too much; this isn't a debate. anyone that believes in some sort of 9/11 conspiracy has some serious problems.

i believe in fake concocted evidence like the passport that flew out of the plane and the WTC, through the flames and landed conveniently on the street. LOL

anyone that believes in some sort of 9/11 conspiracy has some serious problems.

Isn't that the Fox news technique? It is! That's what they say anytime someone suggests something they disagree with. "Crazy". Crazy is really the latest rage in put-downs, even by people who don't think about it as a "strategy," like Murdoch's team.

Just now, I feel you were being totally sincere without intention of being offensive. But, really? "Serious problems?" I don't see the connection. That means a lot of the firefighters and police who were there are wackjobs. That reminds me of when people say that "people just can't accept the reality that terrorists got the better of us." Really? To me, it's far easier and comfortable to accept that the bad guys did us harm than it is to even begin to fathom that our own government might do this to us as a false flag operation.

There is a lot of bullshit that went down that has seriously never been addressed. Heave Ho's point is just one. That's total bullshit. Or, I mean, do you think it's sane to suggest that everything was pulverized except a passport. They couldn't find a black box, but they found a passport? And the FBI list of hijackers? Or the florida dentist who was poisoned that was going to testify about the men he suspected were terrorists and was trying desperately to alert the FBI? I don't see why anyone would have to be crazy to suspect some conspiracy here.

Take a look at that documentary "The Power of Nightmares" and see if it still seems so far-fetched. It's not something slapped together like Loose Change by a bunch of college kids. And it gives a good, clear picture of how neocons think. If you have to be nutso to suspect a conspiracy, then it seems like there are a lot of crazy people out there. I mean, isn't it almost half of America now that believes our government at least knew about it and didn't do anything as a pretext for war? Not to mention the suspicion around the world? I mean, I can predict a response like, "Yeah, look how many people voted for Bush" to make the point that people are just idiots, so it's not surprising that so many believe in a conspiracy, but I'm sure a lot of very smart people voted for Bush, too.

Also, I just want to make mention that a lot of people who believe there is a conspiracy simply don't talk about it for fear of being called crazy, but they will anonymously check the appropriate mark on a poll. I don't think you have to challenge your friend or call people crazy just because it is the popular opinion. How does it help the situation for people to be on the side of government secrecy? Obviously, there's some secrets, so help put pressure to get the full story. Why help the government keep it's secrets? Rupert Murdoch isn't paying you to do that. When you look at the millions of dollars that have been spent on other investigations, 9/11 is an insult to our intelligence. $5 million without a definite official conclusion on many issues. Just dropped. And here you are helping these people to say, "Go away, go away, just leave us alone." I don't understand this. Why don't rational, responsible people want to know the full story?

http://www.rightwinged.com/images/photoshops/moonbat.jpg

Moonbat, that's a total Fox insult which is generally followed by hanging up on a caller.

http://ny911truth.org/images/charlie_sheen.jpg
http://ny911truth.org/images/charlie_sheen.jpg
http://ny911truth.org/images/charlie_sheen.jpg

Does that make me 3x the Charlie Sheen Charlie Sheen is?

drugs will set u free

i'm a scientologist

Also, I just want to make mention that a lot of people who believe there is a conspiracy ...help the government

Fixed.

the florida dentist who was poisoned that was going to testify about the men he suspected were terrorists and was trying desperately to alert the FBI?

http://www.geraldpeary.com/reviews/the/parallax-view.jpg

Critics of these alternative theories say they are a form of conspiracism common throughout history after a traumatic event in which conspiracy theories emerge as a mythic form of explanation (Barkun, 2003). A related criticism addresses the form of research on which the theories are based. Thomas W. Eagar, an engineering professor at MIT, suggested they "use the 'reverse scientific method'. They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[227] Eagar's criticisms also exemplify a common stance that the theories are best ignored. "I've told people that if [the argument] gets too mainstream, I'll engage in the debate." This, he continues, happened when Steve Jones took up the issue. The basic assumption is that conspiracy theories emerge a set of previously held or quickly assembled beliefs about how society works, which are then legitimized by further "research". Taking such beliefs seriously, even if only to criticize them, it is argued, merely grants them further legitimacy.

Michael Shermer, writing in Scientific American, said: "The mistaken belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine a well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspiratorial thinking (as well as Holocaust denial and the various crank theories of physics). All the "evidence" for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under the rubric of this fallacy. Such notions are easily refuted by noting that scientific theories are not built on single facts alone but on a convergence of evidence assembled from multiple lines of inquiry."[228]

There are also behavioristic objections to these conspiracy theories, arguing that the conspiracy theorists behave in an irrational or unscholarly way.[229] One objection is that the conspiracy theorists tend to connect unrelated information. Another is that they will often expand the conspiracy to include those who debunk their original theories, such as Popular Mechanics.[229] There is also the tendency of the conspiracy theorists to quote only other conspiracy theorists and provide little if any expert verification of any of their claims.[230]

Scientific American,[231] Popular Mechanics,[232] and The Skeptic's Dictionary[233] have published articles that challenge and discredit various 9/11 conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists have jumped on the contribution to the Popular Mechanics article by "senior researcher" Ben Chertoff, who they claim is cousin of Michael Chertoff — current head of Homeland Security.[234] However, no indication of an actual connection has been revealed and Ben Chertoff has denied the allegation.[235] Popular Mechanics has published a book entitled Debunking 9/11 Myths that expands upon the research first presented in the article.[236] Der Spiegel dismissed 9/11 conspiracy theories as a "panoply of the absurd", stating "as diverse as these theories and their adherents may be, they share a basic thought pattern: great tragedies must have great reasons."[237]

From the same Time Magazine article referenced previously, "There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. 'We tend to associate major events — a President or princess dying — with major causes,' says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. 'If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us.' In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting."[238]

(that's taken from the Wikipedia on 9/11 conspiracies. i'm sold.)

BLIND TO THE TRUTH

and you can pretty much read David Hume's On Miracles and replace 'conspiracy' for 'miracles' and it's equally satisfying.

So, the Parallax View is the answer to the dentist in florida.

Moonbat and Charlie Sheen are the answers to:
-the firefighters and police who were there are wackjobs.
-eveything was pulverized except a passport
-the FBI list of hijackers
-the florida dentist who was poisoned

The Wikipedia/David Hume entries are the answer to:
-To me, it's far easier and comfortable to accept that the bad guys did us harm than it is to even begin to fathom that our own government might do this to us as a false flag operation.

http://www.militaryplaques.com/Emblems/America%20Love%20It%20or%20Leave%20It!.jpg

http://www.thebronzeplaque.com/tbp_images/tributes/patriotic/GodBlessAmericaLarge.jpg

And the lack of investigation or conclusion in the official report falls under "well-established theory," "moonbat," "Charlie Sheen" and "David Hume." Now with added jingoism.

http://www.god-bless-america.biz/images%5Cgod_bless_3.gif

http://www.god-bless-america.biz/

eveything was pulverized except a passport

I don't find this suspicious. A PSA flight in 1987 was hijacked disgruntled former employee and power-dived into the ground at full speed. There wasn't any debris larger than nuts and bolts, but the hijackers suicide note was found intact. Even the radio that contained the bomb on Pan Am 103 was pieced together.

Rupert Murdoch/neocons/FOX news is the answer to:

- how none of the thousands upon thousands of people who would have had to have been involved to make this work, or any members of their families, or any of the survivors who worked in the affected buildings, have ever come forward with any remarks to suggest they are being forced to keep their mouths shut, or that dick cheney is responsible, or whatever you think happened besides what actually happened.

let us know when you get your hands on your first "amero"

or shoot a smoker

My hunch is that Saudi Arabia wasn't *directly* responsible for 9/11. We know they basically planted the seeds that grew into it, but I don't know if it was their intention to specifically direct an attack of that scale against the U.S. I'm not sure what their interest would be in that, except in a general way to draw us into their regional conflict. But I don't know that us attacking Iraq and Afghanistan really advanced their interests. Maybe a resident ME expert can tell me what I'm missing.

It also seems plausible to me that SA had some idea that Al Qaeda was planning something, even if they didn't direct it. They must have been monitoring these groups.

if the KSA was directly involved with 9/11 it backfired spectacularly as it put baghdad in iran's orbit and shifted the balance of power in the middle east to iran.

It is very odd that the people who masterminded /11 were all wealthy young Saudis. Moreso that - correct me if I'm wrong - such people havent since been perpetrators in any terrorist attacks have they?

Frustrated, well-educated young men are exactly the group that perpetrates most terror attacks. And Mohammed Atta was Egyptian.

Frustrated, well-educated young men are exactly the group that perpetrates most terror attacks

mumford & sons, for example

https://knockknockstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/081511_First-High-Five-Pic_F-480x600.jpg

Clap Your Hands Say Allah

Clap Your Hands Say Yahweh

melt your beams say what?!

Frustrated, well-educated young men are exactly the group that perpetrates most terror attacks. And Mohammed Atta was Egyptian.

I don't know, seems to be a hell of a lot of feckless losers and petty criminals involved too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3noExmsCRyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdGJQgEMnxI

makes u think

but does not make u click

then fuck off

great revive (h/t BG)

ffs

bstep if you want to talk about 9/11 conspiracies maybe a better way to start a conversation would be an actual post outlining your thoughts instead of flopping out over four hours of youtube videos onto the thread and then telling people who engage with you to fuck off

great revive (h/t BG)

h/t to pomenitul shurely

cogent arguments won't melt steel belligerence

9/11 is a joke iirc

Why would we not want to click on videos from the Corbett Report, a show that featured Stefan Molyneux as a "guest host"?

So get up get get get get down
9/11 is a joke in this town

CaptainLorax???

naw he's a good poster now i kid. anyway fp'd

fp-ing over 9/11 is nagl imho

jet fuel can’t melt sb’s

not a good lunch

Nothing ruins a lunch quite like once again witnessing some fiend engaged in a 9/11 fp-fest. Get a room.

CORRECTION:

https://imgur.com/nlkTKrH

https://i.imgur.com/nlkTKrH.jpg

lolssss

im a fan of conspiracy theories, i find them interesting. i generally don't believe them - i think jfk was shot by oswald alone - but i enjoy the whole recounting of those suspicious facts that make you possibly question the official story. 9/11 conspiracy is a huge snooze for me though.

i remember watching football once with a schizophrenic hippy who voted green party (here in canada) and two alberta oil workers (small c conservatives, probably voted tory), and they could all agree that you'd be crazy to think the planes brought the towers down. i didn't try and disabuse them of their opinion, because what's the point?

I think a plane hitting the lawn at an speed would create a big fucking skidmark. And the a huge motherfucking explosion. I dont think there would be any green grass left in the area.
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yeah but crabgrass, nothing gets rid of crabgrass
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