― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
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― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
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― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
apparently he was jay leno in the late shift. wow. he must be funny if he can play jay leno.
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link
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― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Fred Willard (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:17 (twenty years ago) link
I think we want to feel like there's something unique and spontaneous about a stand-up performance, and the comics comply. Bits beginning with "On the way over here..." probably did not take place recently, if they actually happened to the comic at all -- but we think to ourselves, "He just came up with that!" I'm sure stand-ups also have standard comments about audiences they make with EVERY crowd but are delivered in such a way as to seem spontaneous and specific.
I've been hosting this variety show for the last couple of months, and invited back a stand-up comic to test out some new material; in his second appearance, he slipped in some old material that, the second time around, didn't work at all. For instance, his reaction of mock-outrage at one point seemed affected -- and it's because I was aware of it now as an "act."
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link
as for the talk shows, those are SOOOO not-spontaneous. the host is usually just feeding lines to their guests. it's entertainment. the real chitchat happens during the commercials.
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 21:02 (twenty years ago) link
But in what context? I think what threw you is that you thought that Norm had cast aside his "stage persona" when talking to you off-stage. But suppose he wants to keep it on the entire time he's in the club; no matter where he goes in the club, his role is the performer. Same with on TV talk shows. In other words, it may not be a matter of genuine vs. non-genuine as much as whether you're Norm McDonald or "Norm McDonald."
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 21:08 (twenty years ago) link
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― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 21:14 (twenty years ago) link
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― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 30 October 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link
I hate this show. I will not watch it next week. I feel betrayed. Especially since the last show he had in development (for CBS), which DIDN'T EVEN GET TO PILOT stage was an Odd Couple ripoff where he would have been paired with JON LOVITZ. NOW that would have been impossible to fuck up.I even like Norm Macdonald's movies, which are very shitty. But I hate A MINUTE WITH STAN HOOPER.
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link
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― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link
but in defense of hooper, i was flipping back and forth between that and tv carnage volume two and nothing beats that Three's Company / scat montage. nothing.
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link
I don’t think the TikTok dork doing hacky “lost in translation” jokes is Neil Hamburger.
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 August 2023 16:35 (seven months ago) link
Trying to put some meta spin on a guy coasting off ‘90s nostalgia is not it
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 August 2023 16:37 (seven months ago) link
I don’t think it’s quite right that Norm didn’t care if people laughed, it’s more that he had the confidence to persevere with a bit even when the audience might be struggling to catch up.
― o. nate, Saturday, 19 August 2023 16:47 (seven months ago) link
Norm has really been a victim of posthumous projection and revisionism from all ends of the internet. I worried he’s going to end up a Bill Hicks figure if he hasn’t already
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 August 2023 18:13 (seven months ago) link
people doing that with comedians generally is so weird
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 19 August 2023 19:42 (seven months ago) link
Norm seems very unlike Hicks, Carlin and others like that. A comedy for comedy’s sake guy rather than a cultural critic.
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 August 2023 19:44 (seven months ago) link
Which is why his stuff holds up better imo
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 August 2023 19:45 (seven months ago) link
I'll take Carlin over Norm any day
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 19 August 2023 19:54 (seven months ago) link
I don't understand, is the Jonas Bros supposed to be there or not supposed to be there.
Because it completely fits in with the rest of the discussion.
― pplains, Sunday, 20 August 2023 03:56 (seven months ago) link
Dance like no one gives a shit.
Norm himself has drawn parallels between his compulsions as a gambling addict who doubles-down when possibly losing their bankroll, and his compulsions to double-down on a bad/awkward bit if he's losing the audience.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 20 August 2023 04:23 (seven months ago) link
Norm is nothing like Hicks, idk if he's ever said anything about him directly but I know he really hated that particular style of comedy. the big difference between him and other lionized comedians is that instead of wanting to be the smartest guy in the room Norm wanted to come off as the dumbest, which is why he can land jokes like "You know who Germany wanted to go to war with?? The WORLD"
― frogbs, Monday, 21 August 2023 15:20 (seven months ago) link
but yeah I think Neil Hamburger is a much better analogue to what the thread bump is about; when Norm "bombs" you can still see and hear parts of the audience laughing, when Neil does it the audience is actively hostile, and he antagonizes them right back, which makes the whole experience really funny if you're in the know
― frogbs, Monday, 21 August 2023 15:25 (seven months ago) link
Norm is exactly like Hicks in that that a certain subset of the internet sees him as a libertarian/right wing free-speech hero and gravitate towards his edgiest material
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 21 August 2023 15:33 (seven months ago) link
well by that measure the next Bill Hicks is clearly Dave Chappelle, a dude whose entire act now is just "let me tell it like it is" and then complaining that people get upset by his comedy
whenever Norm gets asked a question about politics he generally responsed with amusment that anyone would care what he thinks, because he openly admitted he doesn't really follow it. he probably has said some things about free speech and I know he defended Shane Gillis when he got fired from SNL but if you watch his stuff it's seriously like 0% of his act
― frogbs, Monday, 21 August 2023 15:46 (seven months ago) link
I'm not saying anything about his comedy, I'm just saying what his legacy is becoming among reddit people
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 21 August 2023 15:52 (seven months ago) link
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 21 August 2023 15:33 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
this isn't really what being like someone is
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 21 August 2023 16:45 (seven months ago) link
what is that even a response to?
― budo jeru, Saturday, August 19, 2023 9:21 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 00:53 (seven months ago) link
what his legacy is becoming among reddit people
you can just not care
It was a response to a comment on that DJ Crazy Times video
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 01:19 (seven months ago) link
oh
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 01:39 (seven months ago) link
way off the mark imo.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 01:41 (seven months ago) link
Norms “comedians are not philosophers” take needs more airtime. Big fan of his controversial opinion that comedians should tell jokes
― hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 02:15 (seven months ago) link
Although I think norm did break his own rules in his post-humous Netflix special. That one did not rub me the right way.
Norm seems less alt-right-free-speech adjacent in his comedy, and more dirtbag-left-let’s-make-fun-of-the-ludicrousness-blinders-the-liberal-media-have-on-without-being-a-redneck-per-se. That, mixed with enjoying shocking people is the totality of his edge (which yeah, I guess “shocking people” is a bit of an alt-right signifier these days).
His appearance on “the view” sums this all up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3PP_SWHUQQ
― hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 02:20 (seven months ago) link
Norm seems less alt-right-free-speech adjacent in his comedy, and more dirtbag-left-let’s-make-fun-of-the-ludicrousness-blinders-the-liberal-media-have-on-without-being-a-redneck-per-se.
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 02:41 (seven months ago) link
I love Norm and I know that "dirtbag left" is probably shorthand here, but it's worth saying that Norm MacDonald was not in any way shape or form of "the left"
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 03:14 (seven months ago) link
hes not much of a political thinker at all so I kinda wonder if he became that way because of the particular era of SNL he was on
― frogbs, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 03:19 (seven months ago) link
I guess it feels like everyone is misunderstanding Whiney here, he's talking about how the work of a comedian is interpreted and how/where it "lives on." Sure, one could just ignore it, that's totally a valid choice.
But I'd guess most people would agree that, on some level, it can be interesting to talk about how someone's body of work is received.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 03:21 (seven months ago) link
well not amongst the biggest dipshits in the YouTube comment section
― frogbs, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 03:22 (seven months ago) link
I guess it feels like everyone is misunderstanding Whiney here
read that again and possibly consider whether "everyone" misunderstanding something is not actually a signifier of whether the point is well made or possibly just wrong altogether
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 06:04 (seven months ago) link
My point is pretty unassailable if you’ve spent five minutes on the aforementioned subreddits and YouTube comment sections
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 06:35 (seven months ago) link
So that’s why it didn’t make sense
― H.P, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 06:52 (seven months ago) link
Anyway, thank you intheblanks
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 07:03 (seven months ago) link
not saying you're wrong whiney im saying its a weird angle to insist on, its a small angle but insofar as it goes sure revisionism from youtube comments is a wild beast and whence it takes us none living can say
im not sure anybody misunderstood the point but it isnt afaict the discussion ppl were having?
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 07:27 (seven months ago) link