As I've mention on another thread I value some of Godard's later (post-79) work as highly as the '60s films. Esp. Sauve qui peut, Passion, First Name: Carmen, Hail Mary, and Hélas pour moi. A lot of people swear by Histoire(s) du cinéma--I've only seen two episodes of this.
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― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago) link
Some bits of 'Une Femme Est Une Femme' are very funny.
― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link
It's not about an airport. It's about a supermarket, a prostitute, a cup of coffee, et al, etc.
N.'s last line is correct aussi.
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― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 19 March 2004 04:43 (twenty years ago) link
I've seen most of his films up to the early 80s, and really every single one is worth seeing, even if some of the D-Z ones are almost unwatchable. The best of them is 'Vent d'Est', which was intended by its financiers as a kind of 'Bullet for the General'-style Marxist western, and indeed it has Gian Maria Volonte in it. It ends up as an essay on the politics of film-making, and is so a kind of sequel to 'Le Mepris', which is probably the best point of entry for Godard.
The jazzy score for 'Breathless' is lame, and I kind of don't think of it as a Godard at all. It was co-written with Truffaut.
His politics are always going to be a sticking point: the whole Maoist craze that afflicted France in the 60s was obviously a wrong turn, and JLG was a bit of a gadfly: you wouldn't catch Marker, Varda, or Rouch (more classically 'leftist' film-makers) making the same mistake.
This being so, I prefer his D-Z films, impossible as they are, to 'Tout va Bien', which was an attempt, via stars (Fonda and Montard) to 'reconnect' with the mass audience (it's about student politics, left-wing union politics, media politics); you'd be better off watching more straightforward contemporary films on the same subject by Ken Loach and other BBC directors of that era.
If I had to pick one, I guess it would be 'Masculin-Feminin', made in the winter of 65-66, and the start of his political odyssey, following 'Pierrot le Fou', his farewell to Hollywood.
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― !!!! (amateurist), Friday, 19 March 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link
I wish Criterion made posters out of their box art. I can't wait to watch this and the short that accompanies it.
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― Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002HSDD2/qid=1098643669/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/026-3737398-5990003
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link
http://play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=162776
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― --bruno, Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link
I think I prefer this 'Jean Vigo' thing because it has an interview with Otar Iosseliani:
http://play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=123208
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link
I can't remember but.
― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link
I only have a 'fullscreen' portable telly to watch them on anyway.
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― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Did you watch 'Elogie d'amour', Jerry? I taped it, on the video, off the telly, but I haven't watched it yet.
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― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link
First Half: Paris. moody b/w. a sensitive young man is working on a play/novel/poem/opera. plentiful references to books JLG probably hasn't read. a scene near the canal where part of 'L'Atalante' was shot. Second Half: Brittany. extraordinary colour. an american (working for Spielberg) is trying to buy the rights to a resistance's fighter's autobiography. how awful--the yanks have no history, they have to steal 'ours' to make films. something vague about juliette binoche.
not a very lucid film, and honestly if it wasn't godard doing it no-one would have given a toss.
― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link
Boys chat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Ac0Xc4lQw
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 26 September 2022 08:55 (one year ago) link
Love that. OG title: “The Baby And The Dinosaur”!
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 26 September 2022 10:18 (one year ago) link
Saw band a part for the first time. So good. Favorite moment is the voice over lead up and strange walk down the street at night.
― calstars, Monday, 26 September 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link
I had a strong feeling that the Brody book had a certain personal animus behind it, particularly in his writing about the later years; this could be entirely my projection, but Brody's sting at being rejected by Godard after a day of interviews on his 60s movies really comes across. So I wondered if that explained his emphasis on certain unpleasant topics like the treatment of the young girl in Sauve Qui Peut or the romantic pursuit of the actress in For Ever Mozart. It's still a good book, though.
All of this may have been emphasized for me because the Colin MacCabe biography, which came out earlier, is very reticent about "personal details". It's probably the only biography I can imagine that mentions the subject's suicide attempts in a footnote.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 26 September 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link
Hm! If anything, he's too forgiving of Godard's uh fascinations. He
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 September 2022 20:43 (one year ago) link
And his reporting on the SQP incident was pretty fair imo
Brody very active in defending Godard's reputation on twitter.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:12 (one year ago) link
Two hour interview.
https://www.cinematheque.fr/henri/film/125365-entretien-entre-serge-daney-et-jean-luc-godard-jean-luc-godard-1988/
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 10:17 (one year ago) link
Watched about 15 mins. Once Godard gets going (and Daney shuts up) you can feel how important the materiality of the medium is for him. You know this, but I've seldom watched him try and articulate it. Like when he talks about the act of projection.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 10:32 (one year ago) link
May read it but that quote is terrible.
Fredric Jameson writes on Jean-Luc Godard. ‘If cinema really is dying, then he died with it; or better still, it died with him.’https://t.co/9pZDvpZHIf— New Left Review (@NewLeftReview) September 28, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 14:33 (one year ago) link
Picture makes it look like Godard secretly killed cinema and is gloating.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link
Looks like that meme of the girl looking at the camera while the house burns lol
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/4CobVKP.jpg
― DPRK in Cincinnati (WmC), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:15 (one year ago) link
Is that from his Ulysses project?
― Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:27 (one year ago) link
everything fredric jameson writes is terrible
― mark s, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link
He's a fan of poptimism
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link
Was wondering.
― Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 18:43 (one year ago) link
Scorsese has a piece up on Godard:
https://www.cahiersducinema.com/actualites/martin-scorsese-godard-is-perhaps-dead/#:~:text=When%20I'm%20editing%20a,images%20made%20by%20other%20people.
― clemenza, Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link
Nice, thanks!
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link
Just watched ÉLOGE DE L'AMOUR (2001), only 19 years after Jerry the Nipper referred to it at the start of the thread.
I couldn't make much sense of it. Broadly confirms the sense that while early Godard is dazzling, late Godard is rambling.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 8 November 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link
Of the Godard I've seen from the last couple decades (which is not comprehensive), that one is definitely the weakest.
― ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 00:03 (one year ago) link
He made five films from 2000. Image Book > Goodbye to Language (will we ever see it in 3D again) >>>> In Praise of Love and Our Music.
Haven't seen Film Socialisme.
Those top two films would comfortably be in a top ten for Godard.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 00:10 (one year ago) link
Lots of shorts and skits and stuff outside those five features tho
― ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 00:23 (one year ago) link
(I do need to circle back and see Film Socialisme imo)
― ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 00:24 (one year ago) link
It's dire.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 09:08 (one year ago) link
I have really never engaged with Godard's short film output at all..
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 09:14 (one year ago) link
Richard Brody of The New Yorker declared In Praise of Love the greatest film of the 2000s, stating that it is "one of the most unusual, tremulous, and understated of love stories, as well as the story of love itself; ... Godard’s third first film, thus something of a rebirth of cinema."
Unusually preposterous.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 10:11 (one year ago) link
Yeah, everyone knows that's Harold And Kumar Go To White Castle
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 10:25 (one year ago) link
He made five films from 2000
I've seen them, at least two of them twice, but they're vaguer in memory than the superficially similar 80s and 90s movies and I need to see them again.The first Godard I've rewatched since his death was Made in USA, not especially beloved by most, but I was surprised just how much plot (though heavily obscured) and how many speaking parts the film contains. Was it his last nod at a "genre" film (unless Detective counts)?
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link
― the pinefox
That's our Richard!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 16:34 (one year ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/12/19/molly-ringwald-on-filming-shakespeares-king-lear-with-jean-luc-godard
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 13:58 (one year ago) link
Imagine being in a film, not understanding any of it then watching it months later and it never making sense.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 13:59 (one year ago) link
i mean a lot of people in POPULAR MOVIE FRANCHISE DELETED must feel like that
― jus do jus (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 14:43 (one year ago) link
quite a little burgess meredith anecdote in that piece
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link