Whatever happened to Whit Stillman?

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I don't see why Whit Stillman is the world's most indie film maker.

the characters in his films are very indie.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 1 December 2002 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

indie=preppie?

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 December 2002 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Nabisco: I hear he wanted to make a film based on the same historical character that was the basis for Patriot with Mel Gibson, and was chagrined when that film preempted him.

Supposedly he's independent wealthy so has no need to work on films unless he really wants to.

I decided this coming weekend I will watch all of his films. I wonder if I'll like "Last Days of Disco" as much as when I first saw it...

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:20 (twenty years ago) link

I used to like what's-it-called, his first movie a lot, at least up till the last act. Barcelona for its flaws I also thought had a lot of charm. But I thought Last Days of Disco was a real dud, poorly written, a wasted premise.

I heard he was making a reggae movie (!) next.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link

World's most independently wealthy indie filmmaker, perhaps?

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

Whit Stillman

A writer/director whose light, urbane sensibility launched him to the forefront of the American independent filmmaking movement of the '90s, Whit Stillman was born in New York City in 1952. The son of a member of John F. Kennedy's Presidential administration and an impoverished debutante, he was raised in the upstate New York area of Cornwall, and later attended Harvard University, where he wrote humor pieces for the college daily. Upon graduating in 1973, Stillman relocated to Manhattan and began working as a journalist. While in Spain in 1980 for his wedding, he met a group of film producers and attempted to convince them that he could sell their movies to Spanish-language cable television stations in the U.S. The producers ultimately agreed, and Stillman spent the next several years as an international sales agent for Spanish filmmakers including Fernando Trueba and Fernando Colomo. He also occasionally appeared in motion pictures, including Trueba's 1982 work Sal Gorda and Colomo's 1984 effort La Linea del Cielo. Upon returning to the U.S. in 1984, Stillman began working at an illustration agency. Over the course of the next four years, he spent much of his free time agonizing over the screenplay of Metropolitan, his debut film as a director. To finance the film, Stillman sold his Manhattan apartment for 50,000 dollars, securing the other 175,000 dollars necessary to complete the project from friends and relatives.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:48 (twenty years ago) link

I went to high school with the guy who played the DA character in Last Days of Disco. Or assistant DA or whatever it was. He was a grade below me, but we shared a couple of classes. I didn't really care for that film though.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

this guy's movies are like my all-time guilty pleasure.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:49 (twenty years ago) link

why guilty?

(i admit no guilt w/r/t movies.)

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:52 (twenty years ago) link

well, they just cater to my every whim SO well. and they're really not that far removed from Friends (which I like also, though I've never developed crushes on any of the characters). total comfort food.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:58 (twenty years ago) link

i feel no guilt, i think his grasp of dialogue is so insanely rich and as much as you may dislike his characters in real life (which I'm thinking is what Blount is hinting at), you learn so much about them after hearing just precious few lines from them.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, I should have noted that insanely well written dialogue will hook me everytime (and I'm not quite sure what it says about me that I'd have no problem liking these characters in real life, except that if you're attractive and witty I'll let you get away with anything.)

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

As much as I recall being charmed by the dude's movies, I find I really have very little re-collection of them beyond a couple of scenes. Especially Disco, which is the one I've seen most recently--I wish I could say I found it a little more memorable.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:41 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone remember that hatched job on Stillman and Hartley from Suck.com? That was the worst bit of film criticism I think I've ever read. Although Stillman is not nearly in Hartley's league as a filmmaker, that article made me prepared to defend him to the death.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

hatchet

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

i assume the line above that said he's working with noah baumbach isn't based on much fact? if it is, that's so cool!

colette (a2lette), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

I think Wes Anderson & Noah Baumbach are working together right now.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

Metropolitan has one of my favorite exchanges ever (thank you, IMDB):

Jane Clark: Why should we believe you over Rick? We know you're a hypocrite. We know your "Polly Perkins" story was a fabrication---
Nick Smith: A composite.
Jane Clark: ---that you're completely impossible and out of control, with some sort of drug problem and a fixation on what you consider Rick Von Sloneker's wickedness. You're a snob, a sexist, totally obnoxious and tiresome. And lately you've gotten just weird. Why should we believe anything you say?
Nick Smith: I'm not "tiresome."

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 4 July 2003 06:14 (twenty years ago) link

Nick Smith is the best. Particularly fond of his 'why does everyone beat on the middle classes' and 'don't give me all that sensitive underneath crap, if a geniunely shy and sensitive guy wallked in you wouldn't give him the time of day' rants. Chris Eigeman's character in Barcelona has some even better lines. He's great.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 4 July 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

Spanish Woman: You can't say Americans are not more violent than other people.
Fred: No.
Spanish Woman: All those people killed in shootings in America?
Fred: Oh, shootings, yes. But that doesn't mean Americans are more violent than other people. We're just better shots.


Fred: They're calling us pigs. That's meant to hurt!


Montserrat: I think you are too sensitive.
Fred: Oh great, now we're too sensitive.
Fred: I think it's well-known that anti-Americanism has its roots in sexual impotence, at least in Europe.


Fred: Maybe you can clarify something for me. Since I've been, you know, waiting for the fleet to show up, I've read a lot, and -
Ted: Really?
Fred: And one of the things that keeps popping up is this about "subtext." Plays, novels, songs - they all have a "subtext," which I take to mean a hidden message or import of some kind. So subtext we know. But what do you call the message or meaning that's right there on the surface, completely open and obvious? They never talk about that. What do you call what's above the subtext?
Ted: The text.
Fred: OK, that's right, but they never talk about that.


Seeing Barcelona again is suddenly urgent and in a very real sense, key.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 4 July 2003 07:17 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
Just watched Barcelona and Metropolitan in the last week or so, and I don't really get all the ambivalence on here. Thought both were fantastic, particularly Barcelona, with some hilarious dialogue and evocative character relationships. I'm curious to see Last Days of Disco in the near future.

NA (Nick A.), Sunday, 15 February 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Metropolitan has been re-issued on DVD in the US by Criterion. But I want Barcelona!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i know for a fact that my brother-in-law andy has been reading the various drafts of the screenplay that whit has been working on. i have to remember to ask him what it is about. andy edited the last days of disco. he also edited the last movie by lodge kerrigan, another odd bird with 3 films to his name.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it the Jane Austen one?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have to ask him! He has mentioned that Whit has been sending the screenplay to him in various drafts, but I always forget to ask him what it is all about.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I referenced Metropolitan and Stillman last week in conversation - seeing this thread now, I realize that I do talk about his films at least a few times a year - am spurred to mention them sort of out of the blue it seems. But I always forget his name and sometimes even the names of his films as well as their, er, plot, yet I don't forget their tone, pacing, characters or particular images.

This probably means I should see all the films again, and kind of want to, but I recall them kind of depressing me while watching, and they seem too long because of that, which makes me always reject the idea. It's a conundrum. Maybe if he just made 25 minute shorts? A specialty-channel tv show? Dear Whit, that would be good.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway - this is good news. Thanks, scott.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

haha - "Anyway" ...
I also think it's good to have this news, yes.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Metropolitan is the Jane Austen one! Loosely based on Mansfield Park, including discussion of it between Audrey and Tom (who prefers literary criticism to novels.)

I feel kind of guilty for how much I enjoy Stillman movies, too, but I think Metropolitan is genuinely good.

horsehoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I tried to watch Barcelona over the summer and totally dead-ended. Maybe Stillman isn't as good when seen alone? Maybe I have the attention span of a squirrel?

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Metropolitan is wonderful, inept camerawork and all. It's one of the few instances wherein a filmmaker creats a credible alternate universe on an improbably low budget.

And Chris Eigmann [sic] is awesome in anything: "I thought the surealists were just a bunch of social climbers."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Laurel, Barcelona is my least favorite Stillman. I hate to put it this way, but it is also the least, um, girl-identified of his movies. I enjoy it, but mostly because Chris Eigemann=my boyfriend. (His character in Barcelona is classic.)

horsehoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh oh, I fell asleep the last time I tried to watch Metropolitan. Part of the problem is that I have a lot of trouble sticking with stories in which I don't LIKE anyone, and I NEVER like anyone in Stillman flicks. I love Chris Eigeman, though!

Will wait for life to settle down and try again in a different mood, since everyone I love loves Whit Stillman.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I quite liked Last Days of Disco. I barely remember Metropolitan, but that's because I saw it when I was like 14 and most of it sailed over my head. I never saw Barcelona, but I suppose I should.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have to ask him! He has mentioned that Whit has been sending the screenplay to him in various drafts, but I always forget to ask him what it is all about.

I've heard about a million different projects he's supposed to be working on, all of them v. diff-sounding--a Thomas Jefferson thing, a Cultural Revoltion one and, most recently, something set in Jamaica.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe he should team up with Terrence Malick then, and they can have lots of Works-In-Progress together.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Metropolitan is the Jane Austen one

I mean this, from Variety in 2003:

Five years after his last movie, "The Last Days of Disco," American writer-director Whit Stillman is developing a Jane Austen project with Brit producer Stephen Evans. Paris-based Stillman, who first found fame with his Austen-esque comedies of preppy manners "Metropolitan" and "Barcelona," is adapting two unfinished Austen novels, "The Watsons" and "Sanditon," into a single script, titled "Winchester Races."

His script merges the character of Emma Watson, a girl returning to her family after a long absence being brought up by her aunt, and that of Charlotte Hayward from "Sanditon," an attractive country girl taken up by a family of comically optimistic real-estate speculators.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

um. please let that be the real next project. yay!

horsehoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

He was in our office a few weeks ago.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Any INSIDE INFO?

Chris Eigeman is indeed awesome. I love his Whitman characters' rants about things, esp. in Barcelona on anti-Americanism and shaving.

He reminds me of TOMBOT.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to see him walking around Downtown Brooklyn and talked to him once for a split second. He was pretty cool.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i worry chris e. be too old these days. stillman has tended to stick with with certain agegroups, all young. but who knows. eigeman is the shit.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, he is like TOMBOT!

youn, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

but chris eigeman is funny and good-looking. oops, did i say that out loud? i miss him on the gilmore girlz. it seemed like that was as stillman-esque as he was gonna get as far as acting jobs go.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

As if by magic, a long interview

WS: And these internet things like “whatever happened to Whit Stillman?” (laughs) I wonder the same thing myself.

ha ha.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

WS: We were very close to going nowhere with Metropolitan. There was a lot of failure with the film and I didn’t realize how badly they were going. I didn’t realize at the time that when people “passed” it meant rejection. I just thought this round they weren’t going to bid. I thought it was like bridge where you just pass at first.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link

you will never guess what his new movie is gonna be about.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Bridge!

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

alba, if you are really curious, e-mail me and i'll e-mail you back with the info that andy gave me yesterday. i don't want to put it on the internet though until i talk to him again and make sure it's alright.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps he should have challenged himself by adapting and filming criticism of Jane Austen instead.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...
three months pass...
two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MaSK3POHI0

get hype motherfuckers

adam, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:30 (eight years ago) link

beckinsale 4ever

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:56 (eight years ago) link

The Last Days of Disco prequel we always wanted.

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:58 (eight years ago) link

I don't see Chris Eigemann in there anywhere. I don't know about this.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

stephen fry :(

conrad, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link

Stilton doing an Austen riff in period-appropriate drag feels a bit too on the nose to me, as his films were already covert Austen adaptations.

This does remind me, though, that I still need to see Damsels in Distress.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:22 (eight years ago) link

*Stillman

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:23 (eight years ago) link

stillman's really scraping the bottom of the austen barrel here.

beckinsale 4ever

― scott seward, Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:56 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

someone on ILX once expressed a postulate that as the movies she was in got more and more lowbrow, kate beckinsale got hotter and hotter. wonder how this film reflects that.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:48 (eight years ago) link

someone should re-score that trailer to li'l jon

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:49 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Love & Friendship was really wonderful!

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 23 May 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link

ten months pass...

I finally saw DAMSELS IN DISTRESS.

Naturally it is quite good, maybe it's even very good compared to other films? - but I couldn't really it was that good compared to other WS films, which is a high standard.

It was possibly a bit too light for its own good. Or are they all pretty much equally light?

The incidental music seemed too intrusive and repetitive. The whole film seemed somewhat cheap. But then METROPOLITAN looks cheap, at least once you've watched the director's commentary, and is one of my favourite films of all.

I think if I had seen it in a cinema full of WS fans (which I didn't), it would have made me laugh along with them.

The above are probably standard views. Here is one slightly newer thought:

Has anyone remarked on how its musical ending pre-empts LA LA LAND?

the pinefox, Monday, 17 April 2017 23:01 (seven years ago) link

I love Love and Friendship! I've watched it several times, as it feels like the most comforting movie in a long time

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 17 April 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link

One of the things that amazed me (in a bad way) about DiD was the awful sound mixing/recording in some of the outdoor scenes. You'd think for a studio-distributed film, they could have gotten a few extra thou to fix that.

But I liked the film a lot anyway.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 02:23 (seven years ago) link

"Damsels In Distress" was good. Refreshing to see a depressive person imbued with a mean streak (Gerwig). Not always the usual fare in movies.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 06:06 (seven years ago) link

Tend to agree with Aerosmith - the sound balance in this film was not the best - whether this was about recording or the mix with the music.

LOVE & FRIENDSHIP I think is superior and very good. DID seems more like a stepping stone back to that level.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 08:37 (seven years ago) link

Love & Friendship was superior in every way, yeah. Especially like how it opens with a nod to Kubrick with the scoring.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:07 (seven years ago) link

DiD made me laugh about five times as hard as L&F, which counts for something in a comedy, I suppose.

Alba, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link

I enjoyed DiD more than L&F too. I think it would be easy to pick it apart, but I laughed hard and thought Gerwig was utterly charming.

o. nate, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link

I've avoided seeing it precisely because of Gerwig.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link

I don't love her in everything, but I thought it was kind of a perfect part for her.

o. nate, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link

Gerwig was perfect yeah

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 00:59 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

The Amazon pilot is getting rebooted into a spy series.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/12/whit-stillman-the-cosmopolitans.html

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link

This is great to hear! I really liked The Cosmopolitans pilot.

His commitment to making the series happen puts me in mind of the Sambola!

Alba, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link

And he's still hoping to make his Jamaican film.

Alba, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link

Haven't made it through the whole interview, but having not really known a lot about Stillman himself previously, I'm amazed how autobiographical his early movies were (worked in publishing in the late '70s, moved to Barcelona afterwards etc.).

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

I'd been fearing just this. pic.twitter.com/dLLH5HVkfC

— Whit Stillman (@WhitStillman) June 24, 2020

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 26 June 2020 00:47 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Stillman on Twitter is really leaning into "lifetime white-shoe Republican repulsed at what his party has become"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 21:47 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Despite the Gerwigmania gripping our nation, not only is Damsels In Distress OOP on both DVD & Blu, it's also not streaming except as a rental from Direct TV (or as a purchased download from the usual suspects).

Somebody should get on that.

and the Cosmopolitans pilot while they're at it.

bulb after bulb, Monday, 8 January 2024 18:46 (three months ago) link

Oh yeah, that's not officially available<anywhere>

Except there's a epk promo on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Il8Xc8UYPA


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