an economic conservative
won't say when he'll get us completely out of Iraq
carried water for Joe Lieberman
considers Israel STALWART (probly not cuz they use old men to spy on us)
doesn't seem to believe in his own timid healthcare plan
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 May 2008 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember being pretty little (maybe 5?), and being shocked--SHOCKED!--to hear from my mom that President Reagan (the only president I'd known, and thus THE PRESIDENT) didn't give a shit about homeless people.
― G00blar, Thursday, 1 May 2008 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link
when i was little i was shocked that the president couldn't just kill someone he disagreed with. "why not? he's the PRESIDENT!"
btw dukakis visited my school when i was in eighth grade; he made some sort of education speech in a basement room (the largest we had in the school). we all lined up on either side of the hallway leading there, and we were told to show a lot of respect, and i think we were all encouraged to clap for him as he strode between us. it was thrilling
gore also visited my school, in tennessee, a few years later - somebody tried to get me to ask him during the q&a section if he voted for gulf war i on account of his dad voting against the vietnam war and then getting booted out on his ear by the voters - i didn't do it
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 1 May 2008 13:49 (sixteen years ago) link
MARK MY WORDS SOMEONE WILL HAVE LOST IN 2004 <--- this is the level of certainty we are lookin at
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Mark S, it's a total truism that if a person gets fired from a job, it's usually for something the employer vocally deemed an asset when hiring. 'We like your individuality' becomes 'you're too individual'.
Dreams From My Father is not just 'even better', it's absolutely fucking stupendous:
"My mother laughed once more, and once again I saw her as the child she had been. Except this time I saw something else: in her smiling, slightly puzzled face, I saw what all children must see at some point if they are to grow up - their parents' lives revealed to them as separate and apart, reaching out beyond the point of their union or the birth of a child, lives unfurling back to grandparents, great-grandparents, an infinite number of chance meetings, misunderstandings, projected hopes, limited circumstances. My mother was that girl with the movie of beautiful black people in her head, flattered by my father's attention, confused and alone, trying to break out of the grip of her own parents' lives. The innocence she carried that day, waiting for my father, had been tinged with misconceptions, her own needs. But it was a guileless need, one without self-consciousness, and perhaps that's how any love begins, impulses and cloudy images that allow us to break across our solitude, and then, if we're lucky, are finally transformed into something firmer. What I heard from my mother that day, speaking about my father, was something I suspect most Americans will never hear from the lips of those of another race, and so cannot be expected to believe might exist between black and white: the love of someone who knows your life in the round, a love that will survive disappointment. She saw my father as everyone hopes at least one other person might see him, she had tried to help the child who never knew him see him in the same way. And it was the look on her face that day that I would remember when a few months later I called to tell her that my father had died and heard her cry out over the distance."
― suzy, Thursday, 1 May 2008 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
usually a total truism <--- this the level of certainty we are aiming at
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link
i <3 obama but theres some soft bigotry of lowered expectations shit going on with his writing 4real - its ok but not ABSOLUTELY FUCKING STUPENDOUS
― and what, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link
though im reasonably sure its "pretty good for a politician" expectations not "pretty good for a black dude"
― and what, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link
It's excellent for a pol, and let's note that through Woodrow Wilson most presidential candidates wrote at this level.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:04 (sixteen years ago) link
"very good for a politician" more like....
"pretty good" for a literary memoir I guess
xpost
― G00blar, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link
better than JFK's war-hero memoirs that that guy ghostwrote YES better than ulysses s. grant memoirs NO WAY d00d better than six crises <--- u&k
(disclaimer : ok i have read none of these tho the kennedy book was read out as excerpts in school assemby for abt 12 million millennia when i was like 9)
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link
This sounds like a great poll - RATE PRESIDENTS AS WRITERS.
(the Grant memoirs are excellent, but I get bored when he describes battles, troop formations, etc)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link
admittedly jfk memoir = like "acka-acka! neeeow! crash! splash! we are on a raft w.sharks circling oh noes!" but even so GET THE FUCK ON WITH IT MR PRESIDENT
haha jfk's favourite books 1: the rouge et le noir 2: from russia with love
I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS LIST ALREADY
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:09 (sixteen years ago) link
amazingly i have never read six crises, though i did slog thru lbj's incredibly boring THE VANTAGE POINT
― and what, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link
haha in Caro's biography he notes how LBJ, recovering after his 1955 heart attack, ordered Lady Bird to leave books and journals strewn all over the Texas ranch to give journalists the impression that he read and "thought deeply."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
and mcgovern's autobio which is folksy & charming
― and what, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link
probly should get around to the grant book one of these days
morbs, fyi, 'stalwart' is an adjective. you're probably referring to O's statement that Israel is a 'stalwart ally' of the US, but maybe you intended to refer to his statement that Israel's security is 'sacrosanct'.
― gabbneb, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
box 13!
caro's biography = is lbj actually president yet (as per the published volumes)? is caro still even alive?
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost Ethan, I'm really glad you clarified that, but if you haven't read DWMF, you really aren't in a place to say whether it's WHOA INCREDIBLE or not. I stand by my opinion.
― suzy, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Mark, Master of the Senate ends with LBJ as veep, chastened and chomping at the bit.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link
ethan, fyi, the praise for Obama's (first) book, at least outside of ilx, is for the self-knowledge it exhibits more than the writing (tho people think that's pretty good too)
― gabbneb, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
you think?
All of you that are dissing Dave and his band, obviously haven't given him a chance. Actually try to listen to them then you may discover that they aren't bad. Dont judge them without knowing what they are all about. They are making millions and usually boring music doesn't do that. The reason for that is because they are great musicians. I love all kinds of music so dont even try judging the fans either. You dont know them or me you have no right to say stuff about us. Sure some of you may be offended about his one line "hike up your skirt a little more and show the world to me" come on its not nearly as bad as half the rap that is played twice or sometimes 3 times as much as what Dave gets played on the radio.
-- Kara, Friday, June 6, 2003 11:51 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link
― and what, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link
caro is the brigadier pudding of actual real reality
"not nearly as bad as half the rap that is played twice" <-- you do the math!
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link
What I heard from my mother that day, speaking about my father, was something I suspect most Americans will never hear from the lips of those of another race, and so cannot be expected to believe might exist between black and white
you don't need to have read the whole book to know that this could have used some tightening
― J0hn D., Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
The Caro Biography of LBJ does seem a bit liek a Hawkwind boxset with every outtake, bootleg and demo thrown in published in the form of a partwork.
― Ed, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link
"More of his penis went turgid" <-- tightening
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link
The idea of LBJ ripped on acid and wailing at the top of his lungs...is more Texan than I realized.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link
when people praise the language in Obama's (first) book, they may be referring more to the interweaving of narrative and themes and ability to evoke thoughts and feelings than the tautness of the sentences
― gabbneb, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link
LEAVE MAH PECKER OUT OF THIS
http://www.archives.gov/press/press-kits/picturing-the-century-photos/images/lbj-and-richard-russell.jpg
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:31 (sixteen years ago) link
tautness is all politics: gettysburg address = 243 words long <--- this is the mark we are huntin
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link
"Unintentionally Homoerotic Oval Office Imagery"
― suzy, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link
haha "tautness is all IN politics"
(it is apparently possible to be too compressed!)
"Unintentionally" <--- OO I SO DON'T THINK
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah oh LBJ big proponent of 'accidentally' showing cock to underline alphadawg status, amirite?
― suzy, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link
yes "the vantage point" = lbj givin orders while takin shit w.door open
also: "better inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in"
also also: LBJ: "say he had carnal knowledge of his hog herd" minion: "wah boss we can't call him 1 x pigfucker"* LBJ: "i wanna hear him deny it"
(*root of neverstarted lester bangs project-title "a history of pig-fucking" and hence proto-noize alt-rock strand pigfuck)
lbj wz punk
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
The Audacity of Pig Fucking
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link
APFestival
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link
yea ohb's flaw will turn out to be that this is NOT the secret title
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
flaw 2: his pastor was not samuel delany :(
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Teh visions that inspires, Mark.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
"I'd like to read from Neveryona, chapter 2..."
hogg is what put him in mind :/
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
is there like a secret cult of lbj I didn't know about
― J0hn D., Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd say you stumbled into it. Now show us your pecker.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link
or yr surgery scar.
someone plz show gobbknob how to recognize adjectives.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Hmm, here I was thinking the 'surgery scar' was a placeholder for Lyndon Baines' Jewels.
― suzy, Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link
http://jeff.pasleybrothers.com/images/LBJ_scar.jpg
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
you say subtext i say domtext
― mark s, Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link
YOU ARE A GOLDEN GOD
― J0hn D., Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link