CocoRosie member goes to "Kill Whitey" Ironic dance parties and gets called out by brainwashed.com as racist

farewell uncle tom is probably the most uncomfortable movie watching experience i have ever had that was not a horror movie of the "torture porn" subgenre.

yeah, i've heard good and bad things said about it. it sounds uncomfortable and ill-advised. like the song?

it's basically the problem people have with the song magnified 1000x - except the music is better than cocorosie's.

a ridiculously narrow view that ignores the role of Christianity in the abolitionist movement, or the way black slaves managed to take Christianity and subvert it to their own ends, using it to preserve other cultural and musical traditions, with it eventually becoming one of the pillars/driving forces behind the civil rights movement

This is very important to remember. It's something completely ignored by this song.

With their Native American background, perhaps they substituted a personally appropriate slur for something more sensationalist .

jamie stewart didn't really suck a horse's dick, sorry about that guys

i've said more than enough, but wanted to touch on this. it seems to me that the song presents a series of textbook lessons. "jesus loves me" is the first lesson - a gentle, almost crushingly saccharine affirmation of childlike faith. this is followed up by instructions like "wash behind your ears," "cover them freckles," "don't ask don't tell," and eventually "kiss your papa but not too long."

indie kids seem pretty hung up on their early childhoods tbh

just doin some quick ctrl-f's ... of course contenderizer is a cocofan/apologizer

on being f'd...

why it fails: Because it uses the word "nigger" for no reason other than a hateful evocation of black people, yet uses much more restrained/sensitive verbiage to talk about issues surrounding the arbitrariness of some bible rules as well as the sexism and homophobia, it explicitly singles out black people for disdain and derision in a manner wholly out of keeping with the rest of the song, completely undercutting any meaningful message it's supposed to have with a very strong, palpable undercurrent of "btw if you are black, fuck off; we don't want you listening to our music".

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Had there been parity in language with references to "faggots" and "bitches", the point of view would have been better defined and the narrative less confused; as it stands, you have a song by some people who hate religion and black people but only realize that they hate religion.

I don't think the inclusion of other slurs would've made it better or less offensive. What I don't like is making the infamous slur the artistic equivalent of a 'SHIT JUST GOT REAL' device, an inexpensive and effortless way to let people know you're a Serious Artist with Something to Say.

This is very important to remember. It's something completely ignored by this song.

― Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

fwiw its perfectly fine to 'ignore' things like this -- theres nothing per se bad abt observing religious hypocrisy -- but this is such a lazy way to do it that u start siding 'with' religion

It's totally fine to ignore, even contradict established history if you know enough about it to make intelligent choices (or if you get lucky; I consider "sufficiently compelling wordplay" to be an intelligent choice).

I don't think the inclusion of other slurs would've made it better or less offensive. What I don't like is making the infamous slur the artistic equivalent of a 'SHIT JUST GOT REAL' device, an inexpensive and effortless way to let people know you're a Serious Artist with Something to Say.

I just wanted to point out that I did not say that adding in more slurs would make the song less offensive. I said it would make it more thematically coherent, which would allow the listener to get its point better. (Given the "explanation" for the song given in the incredibly lolsome interview linked upthread, I concede that adding in more slurs would actually divert the song completely away from what they were trying to say, but since what they were trying to say was a misconceived crock of shit in the first place I don't really think that's a bad idea.)

did they ever find out whether it was popular in Canada as well?

popular everywhere ppl dont get the big deal with a ronaldinho bottle opener basically

so a guy at work just heard cocorosie and now he's challenged me to find something he would hate more than cocorosie...but i can't do it!

it's driving me nuts, any ideas?

has he heard Joanna Newsom?

if your friend hates cocorosie, i can bet she'd really hate Gabby La La

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcQOXCLB_6Q

probably won't like Diane Cluck much either

Cool thanks for the ideas. Tried newsome which he didn't like but her sincerity sat better with him than coco rosie. Did not hate devandra as much as I suspected. He's mid twenties listens to only classic rock dislikes most new bands.

bROKENCYDE?

Xiu Xiu?

Insane Clown Posse?

really -- brokencyde vs. ICP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfbqrNPJXlQ

Maher Shallal Hash Baz

Why to hate MSHB?

:(

Oh I didn't say I didn't like them :)

nah i mean he's heard ICP obv from them just being funny and ridiculous....brokencyde he would probably really hate, that's a good one.

kimya might fit the bill, but i'm not sure if he'll hate it as much, i think cocorosie are hitting some sort of snobbish "cool" white hipster girls thing that bugs him more. like i said, he didn't really seem to hate newsome at all, really suprised me. i think he hates irony and shit.

Xiu Xiu is a good idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAcqkX7O0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4AG3r-2aM0

so i just showed this guy the video for "bizness" by tune-yards...definitely the closest i've come to something he hated more than cocorosie

This might be my favourite thread title after "yo is it true vordul got sonned by a wite kid after a aol beef??????"

has the guy at yr work heard this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUz75nc_JRw

Kill Whitey parties aren't still a thing are they?

Was just musing that the Kill Whitey parities where when "hipster" moved from sixty years as a neutral term, to one of derision.

C'mon, how can you hate on this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Swpw9yZ5w

Lets all gather at time square
And lets all say a prayer
To Walter Disney and Mike Tyson
At Madison Square Garden

And then the lights came on
In the middle of the night
What I should do with my life
How I should spend my time

I'll be a stock broker and get me a wife
Have the diamonds cut
Have the diamonds

And Jesus said there a girl's best friend
And hell they'll last forever
And Jesus said now take her hand
And raise this harlot's bastard sun

And then the lights....

And afterwards we'll all go to hell
When the money's all spent
When the money's all gone
There'll be a place for us in heaven's gate
Waiting for us on lay away

And then the lights....

And oh what a pity the world's not white
And oh what a shame I don't have blue eyes
God must have been a color blind
If I made the world it would be all white

what the hell is wrong with these people

also I just read the lyrics to "Japan" u_u

They're full of shit and try to hide it by being provocative and edgy. But, really, shit. Full of it.

eh time was you could do some dumb blunt satire and not be an object of hatred and disgust for it. (they're not 'white' themselves, are they? part-native american at least?)

First time I've ever heard being part native American invoked as a get out of asshole pass.

lol

im part part-native (south) american, this doesn't mean i can't be racist about black people.

or that im not "white".

I'm part dumb satirist

the more oppressed your group has historically been, the more the public lets you slide for your horrible beliefs. kind of like how music fans give rappers a pass for being sexist, like all the time.

xp No, I get that it's a character song. That doesn't make it any less stoopid.

These girls have all the depth of a petri dish.

hello Poliopolice

(is there a "threads I regret reviving" thread around somewhere)

lol

the more oppressed your group has historically been, the more the public lets you slide for your horrible beliefs. kind of like how music fans give rappers a pass for being sexist, like all the time.

― Poliopolice, Tuesday, June 5, 2012 2:19 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4tgjzQ7q71r8j1jb.gif

I'm not saying that's the way it should be, but unfortunately, it's pretty hard to dispute that that's the way it often works. also, i understand that you might disagree, but the use of dismissive animated images is a fairly juvenile way to respond to an argument.

i wuz only being contrarian for kicks, save myself from working, don't blame me.