Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

To dan: can you expound on that? I'm not quite sure what you'd mean, i'd be interested to know why some black american music is accepted in the UK and some isn't ("accepted" = "popular")

x-post dammit

Somehow I don't see myself taking advice on respectability from Anthony Miccio anytime soon.

My point is that it may be obvious "we are all a product of society, what we're exposed to, and how we learn to engage with 'other' music" but I think its OK to complain about that fact when it is confirmed by a list like this!

I'm baffled why I should do that. I don't care about Pulp or St Etienne except that they tolk 10% of the poll.

cases in point:

one of my favorite bands - long fin killie (ROCK -inherently "white" according to our "non-racist friends dee and AlexSF - as played by a band led by a non-white)

or the beastie boys (HIPHOP - inherently "black"? oh i forgot they're white - therefore they've just co-opted someone else's culture and our "non-racist" friends tend to dismiss them.)

good thing djdee and Alex in SF are so colorblind and UNRACIST! *cough*

seriously, i think the most racist people in this thread are the very ones who started trying to pull the race card bullshit because they weren't pleased with the results of the thread

i voted the songs i liked because i liked them, not because of the race of the artists, the amount of "racial" music i've been exposed to, or any ulterior motive. to suggest that votes were cast according to people's races is simply bullshit and embarassing to the accusers. or at least it should be, if they were intelligent enough to realize how insulting they were being to any non-whites in the poll (actually to pretty much EVERYONE in the poll).

now fuck off and go listen to some music

I think you all are smart enough to realize that (almost) nobody here is racist or sexist. They like what they like. And yet, thread after thread ends up turning into a race war (despite the fact that there are few actual black people here)

In the end, there's something everyone here has in common. Not many people in the world would spend so many hours of their lives arguing about a fucking LIST. Get over it.

the music that we are exposed to depends on our parents. i know that my parents along with many other parents dont want their kids listening to music with parental advisory stickers. since i was a teenager or less all of the 90's, i could not possibly be exposed to those artists.

thats all i suppose

Me:

cinniblount made a mistake arguing that people are racist for liking Pulp or St. Etienne which is obviously not fair.

I'm talking about the way our social upbringing and exposure to diversity affects what music we are aware of and such. As much a criticism of nationalistic taste as racism as geographic focus as "hometown pride" or whatever other social tendencies result in limiting our engagement with other forms of music, the kind of engagement that lets 10% of the list be dominated by a rather specific aesthetic. I'm also not accusing any individuals of doing anything "wrong," just wishing that as a group ILM was engaging with a wider range of music.

djdee: i read all of your posts, you've yet to say much of anything that doesn't literally render you a racist of the worst degree

SORRY EVERYONE IT'S MY FAULT

To dan: can you expound on that? I'm not quite sure what you'd mean, i'd be interested to know why some black american music is accepted in the UK and some isn't ("accepted" = "popular")

I would argue very much that The Geto Boys were "an act of their time" who were not going to get the same type of exposure as a political act like Public Enemy or KRS-One, a completely over-the-top controversial group like NWA/Ice Cube/Dr Dre/Eazy E/The DOC or 2 Live Crew, or a positive hippy-esque group like A Tribe Called Quest/De La Soul. They had an edge and were definitely on the dark side but their main hook was that one of their members was a dwarf and since there was no comedy angle to that, there wasn't anything for The Acceptable Face Of Radio Music to hook into.

It's disingenuous to say it's not a racial issue but it's equally disingenuous to say it was solely a racial issue; you're talking about a group who reached their peak right before the music busines figured out that people all over the world really, really, really like all forms of hip-hop.

I agree with this statement 100% incidently.

And the first paragraph is probably right too, although I imagine it could be fleshed out a bit more...but regardless, my criticism of the list is simply an extension of my criticisms of the way some acts are recieved and some are not, regardless of relative "goodness".

Gear, Stevem and I will have to discuss.

but dj this list is not about how some acts *are* received now, it's about how they were received in the 90s, when hip-hop was not the ubiquitous cultural force it is now and when many people here, for various reasons which have little to do with race, weren't listening to very much hip-hop.

if we did a 00s poll in like 2014 and Missy Elliott placed ridiculously low, you'd have far more of a point.

the Geto Boys had a DWARF member? wow.

Anyway, some thoughts: There were two distinct versions of britpop inthe 90s. The first, which actually reflects the word, was bands like St Et and Pulp and World of Twist (and erm... Cud) who tried to create an alternative pop universe (where their records were anti matter number ones, every copy bought in an anti-matter Woolworths) while not actually selling that much in the real world. (To characterise this as british rock revivalism is weird and wrong.) Me, I loved it all 'cos it was the anti grunge. Faced with all that plaid, who wouldn't want gold lame and glitterballs?

In the meantime we had a rockist, regressive sound (beatles>jam>smiths>oasis) pushed by the music press in two failed incarnations ( The "mod revival", the "new wave of new wave") before they finally hit paydirt with Britpop TM.

While it is somewhat ridiculous for someone to place 5 pulp songs or whatever in their poll(didn't you listen to anything else?), it is way cool that this other britpop is getting the props here. Nice one!

Obviously, the real action was dance music in the UK and hip-hop in th US, but still, if we're going to have some brit pop, then lets have St Etienne et al.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't see how what you are describing translates into "snarking about popist tendencies." I don't like a lot of pop or hip-hop, and I do comment on that sometimes.

meanwhile if you wanna keep harping on how i say something instead of what i'm saying maybe i can send you an e-cuddle or something or whatever it'll take to get the sand out of your vagina
-- cinniblount (littlejohnnyjewe...), November 11th, 2004.

High-five, dude! You're so clever with the grade school taunts.

BE TEHRE