― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 07:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link
this might be my favourite ever ilx post.
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 09:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Assuming this were true, which it isn't, they wouldn't give you enough to live on.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 10:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 10:56 (eighteen years ago) link
if everybody in, say, ruislip or st albans looked for work within walking distance of their house... you'd have a lot of unemployed people.
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link
well no they'd be employed but they'd have rubbish jobs.
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 11:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link
unfair of you to single out these 7 people.
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 11:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― She's In Parties (kate), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link
well there's the Acton Town-Hammersmith section and the Wembley Park-Finchley Road plus Metroland sections but not quite the same thing i know.
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link
On underground trains, after passing a signal at danger, the brakes automatically come on, and the driver has to get out of the cab to reset them. This traditionally was not the case on overground trains, but I think it now is also necessary on a lot of overground stock.
(this also applies to all other trains running on LU lines, such as most of the trains in and out of Marylebone station; I'm not sure if it applies to LU trains running on non-LU routes, and I'm fairly sure it doesn't apply to the other services on those routes)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link
why is that a joke? i was just about to say the same. apart from the hellhole bit.
had a presentation today which set me thinking. theres a split in this country between buses as a service which is controlled by a public body and provided by service provision companies, simply fulfilling requirements of the contract, and a situation where buses are removed from their status as inherently political products, open to competition, with the hope that the market will improve the product- to drag buses away from the operations-heavy approach of the past - "we tell you when and where the buses run, and we make them run that way" towards a industry that responds to passenger demands and looks to increase business - ie improve patronage more actively. in fact, i think these aims are laudable, but unfortunately the majority of operators, and it would seem the bigger they are, the worse offenders they are, are stuck (quite happily) between the two - they do little more than operate buses below a desirable standard, pay seemingly little attention to customers needs/desires and communicate very poorly with them, and yet focus on profitting from other means eg acquisitions and monopolisation, cost cuttign etc rather than increasing patronage through better service provision.
these two directions diverge quite seriously, and whilst london is allowed to pursue the first model without the stringent competitive requirements imposed on othewr areas, DfT, OFT, bus operators and PTES/local authorities are going to have to do some serious thinking about the fundamental guiding philosophy behind the bus industry structural model that we need for this country.
― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link
I was under the impression that on a lot of stock the TPWS reset is outdoors, like the tripcock on LU stock.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link
in fact i've just looked on National Express website and you can go from Golders Green to Manchester in just over 4 hours, which is nearly twice the journey time of a Pendolino BUT coming back the train and coach would roughly take the same time (both around 4 hours, according to the timetables) which makes no sense to me at all. and the NE return is half the price of the train.
ridiculous. if it had worked out cheaper i would've just got the train up but the coach back.
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
I agree the coach time seems optimistic - maybe they should introduce a coach lane on some motorways ala bus lanes.
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link
in this point, its again a question of expectations. why do we expect to get reasonable fares on walk-up for railways, but would neevr expect that for a plane? why are we happy to book in advance to get the plane and not the train? on a wider note, to what extent can we demand public transport on a schedule overall - are we going to have to accept a new model of pre booked, pre determined trips rather than expecting to turn up at any "Public Transport Access Node" and get on some form of transport? how viable or important is it for PTEs to subsidise private companies to ferry around fresh air at a lunchtime round some suburbs of a city?
finally, what is it that makes public transport, "public"? if its mass transport, then why is air travel not considered one of the gang? you can fit many mroe people on a plane than a coach for instance. so if its not a question of sheer numbers, is it more a question of importance in peoples lives - as people move abroad and commute, more frequently go on holiday, or simply commute from one end of the ocuntry to another, is it time to reassess how "vital" air travel is to peoples lives, for example in comparison to train travel?
i think the treatment of air travel as a seperate component, distinct from other forms of maass transport, as one that has no impact other than a handy effect of developing local economy/growth blah blah blah is not a positive thing. it needs to be considered in the light of every other mode of inter city transport, and i get the feeling that there just isnt full strategic thinking devoted to what sort of air transport network the UK needs and how it is goign to be brought aboutm ratehr than just "you want to build an airport? awesome!!!!" type thing that i have a hunch predominates at the mo
― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link
(*so called because in order to endure the mind-numbing boredom of it, half the passengers were on Temazepam, which also had the happy side effect that they wouldn't:a) Talk to youb) Fight you)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link
Public transport means publicly-owned transport, not just mass transport.
Just out of interest, nd I don't mean this to sound rude, but how old are you? It's just that if you've never lived in a city with proper functioning affordable public transport...you might not be able to see its benefits, or at least have something to compare the present mess with.
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link
surely plane journeys are bigger in every sense. more distance (disregarding duration), more things to worry about (security checks etc.), more energy consumption...i still treat plane journeys as a really big deal, more than a train journey, regardless of duration.
I think I believe that you should never be able to fly somewhere cheaper than to travel there by train, regardless of all the different factors that determine the price of a ticket (time of day, how far in advance you book, seat class).
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link