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Only thing that holds me back from the AppleTV is that there's no option for renting a movie on the Itunes store, and to purchase one runs $10 - $15 -- the price of a whole month's subscription to Netflix.

― def zep (calstars), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I think The Last Poets would have made for a better closing musical act.

― def zep (calstars), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=AAPL&t=1d&q=&l=&z=&c=PALM,RIMM,NOK,MOT&a=v&p=s

interesting!

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Most Core 2 intel Macs already have the new Airport 802.11n on board, according to this. Lucky buggers.

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 02:40 (seventeen years ago) link

you know what? i think for appletv you need an aiport wireless network, specifically an "n" one, up and running to access all the functions. why need a 3rd box??? forget it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:18 (seventeen years ago) link

and you need a newer tv too, it looks like

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

AirPort Extreme, Wi-Fi 802.11b, 802.11g, or 802.11n wireless network6 (wireless video streaming requires 802.11g or 802.11n), or 10/100BASE-T Ethernet network

So no, you don't necessarily need an airport.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post -- Talked about upthread:

• Video formats supported: H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store): 640 by 480, 30 fps, LC version of Baseline Profile; 320 by 240, 30 fps, Baseline profile up to Level 1.3; 1280 by 720, 24 fps, Progressive Main Profile. MPEG-4: 640 by 480, 30 fps, Simple Profile

USELESS I just want to wirelessly show my illegal divx downloads of dr who on my tv w/out burning to dvd

-- kyle (akmonda...), January 9th, 2007. (later)

So just convert with ffmpeg...

-- Elvis Telecom (quartzcit...), January 9th, 2007. (later)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah sorry but transcoding is not an option; that would make this thing more of a pain to use than my divx dvd player and thus would kind of defeat the point!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Damned whiny movie critics, I thought each of you had a surround sound stadium-style seating theater in your cramped apartments!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i have an advanced "stereo" set up--TWO channels!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

:-O

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Really they should just support every format that Quicktime can read. It's pretty lame that they wouldn't.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm in even less of a hurry to care about the TV thing at this point, I admit -- this is all getting much closer to the world I want and prefer (legit instant demand movies, quickly downloaded and carried over to the TV) but it's not quite there yet and I'd rather let the early adopters figure out what doesn't work first.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah honestly i was pretty ready to get this coming right out of the gate but i think i'll hang back and shoot my wad on a new macbook pro, which i totally need now anyway.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

A new iPod for me -- one of those clip-on shuffles, it's really all I need for daily listening. If a couple of things go my way, I will likely get a new TV some time year anyway, at which point this'll be looking a lot more attractive. But patience is always a virtue with new Apple hardware, as I muttered on the phone thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:07 (seventeen years ago) link

any word from the CES show about a Zune phone?

― Wrinklecause for Applause! (Wrinklepaws), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

10:48 am cincular is the partner
10:47 am asia 2008
10:47 am Europe by Cal4 this year

hellooo... what about canada, steve? we do not have cingular here, nor are we europe or asia... WTF?

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link

They have to wait until they can manufacture the CanCon model, wherein half the hard drive is specifically dedicated to outtakes from Tragically Hip sessions.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

lol its so true

― m@p (plosive), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 05:24 (seventeen years ago) link

:( apple why u brake canadian hart

(this from the guy who just passed on buying a mac to get a PC. although i've consistently held off on getting a iPod, and my phone contract - with crappy 3-year-old samsung phone - expires in summer. hmm...)

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 05:26 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post -- Which explains why you're escaping to the UK! It's so clear now!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 05:27 (seventeen years ago) link

!!!!! Is it true?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 07:11 (seventeen years ago) link

when they bring out an ipod with that GUI i'll be first in line.
probably won't be for at least a year though. boo.

― zappi (joni), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 08:02 (seventeen years ago) link

After reading the specs and the show commentary, the Apple TV is basically a way to turn your widescreen TV into a video iPod. That's all.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 09:08 (seventeen years ago) link

This is interesting

http://www.tuaw.com/photos/modbook-unveiling/

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

hellooo... what about canada, steve? we do not have cingular here, nor are we europe or asia... WTF?

From the Globe and Mail:

"Details weren't available for Canada, but it's likely that the phone would be available here through Rogers or Fido, because it operates on the GSM technology they use."

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

anyone find any spec on the os and cpu on this thing? (beyond "based on osx")

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I have my suspicions about the CPU but I can't say for definite (I'm also not sure if I am allowed to say or not either--work related stuff). I would be interested in anyone who knows.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

to hear from anyone who knows, though dates also considered...

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

they couldn't have done a port to ARM - so what are the low power ppc/intel options?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, an ARM port is not as complex as you'd think. BSD already runs on ARM, and having made the switch from PPC to x86, porting to a third architecture is decidedly less complicated.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i spose. they have been on this for 2 or 3 years while they were publicly doing the intel port

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

They aren't without ARM experience either--the iPod has three ARMs inside.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

how much of a barrier would it be to 3rd party widget and app development tho?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean this is a portable mac tablet - ppl will be running to just port across all the succesful utils and widgets that are out there in the wild

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Presumably none, assuming that all the CoreLibrary stuff is there (which it should be if it truly is running OSX). Though I'm not sure to what extent Apple will be allowing 3rd party development on the iPhone at all--I think I saw something (on engadget?) earlier that claimed the device would be locked down.

xpost

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/ seems to imply there will be no extensibility (though that's a bit vague really).

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd get make up all over the screen when I phoned people, wouldn't I?

― Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

You won't be able to afford make up anymore.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

XPost

Widgets ought to just run as they a javascripts,css and xhtml. Compiled apps will be a bit different but I can't see them not having implemented cocoa in some form or other plus other libraries, Quicktime, Quartz, CoreVideo, Core Image in some form for sure. Cocoa is designed to, by an large abstract the hardware`(and OS) from the programmer so as jw mentions above, it should be a .nib for XCode and some minor slimming of code and interface redesign for apps.

That engadget post is crap. Steve talked about developing 3rd party apps for it and how they would be 'desktop class' in the stevenote.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Then we can definitely expect CoreLib.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:04 (seventeen years ago) link

No Exchange or Office support

woah. deal-breaker.

sorry. i mean deal-maker.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know about third-party development that would be available outside of "official" channels. The iPod has the ability to play games and the API and distribution are only available to a group of pre-approved developers. I think that's somewhat understandable since software outside their reach could mean crashes which could tarnish the reputation of their self-contained device.

So, the question is whether a phone running a much more robust OS is going to be treated the same way.

― mh. (mike h.), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

It does support exchange, if the admin turns on IMAP support.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Which non of them ever do...

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I have an admin login to ours.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I have my suspicions about the CPU but I can't say for definite (I'm also not sure if I am allowed to say or not either--work related stuff). I would be interested in anyone who knows.

-- you win again, gravity! (tiss...) (webmail), January 10th, 2007 8:25 AM. (tissp) (later) (link)

XScale!!!!! Do I get a cookie? (LOL at Britishes and ARM)

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Steve talked about developing 3rd party apps for it and how they would be 'desktop class' in the stevenote.
He said the apps that were on it were desktop-class. I don't remember him talking about developing for it.

The screenshots of iTunes's phone page also have no "Apps" or "Games" tab, but everything else syncs through it. And Jobs has been whanging on about how it's "not a computer, it's a phone".

That said, Apple people have been talking about an XCode update with a dev kit for it.

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Yea, Ed otm re: that engadget post being shit. I wouldn't be surprised if this shipped with MORE stuff than they showed on it, but they're hashing out the details. I'm sure they haven't even generated the 3rd party developer documentation in order to keep it secret.

If this thing is really tied to real OS X as much as I suspect it is, the secret weapon is going to be Interface Builder. Very little non gui code will have to be rewritten if people wrote their application using MVC properly.

(Also, somehow the UK/US-morning crew are about 1000x more interesting than the armchair luddites at night!)

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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