Santigold

damn lou you are on some 13 year old slipknot fan levels of "NO GOOD ART CAN TRY TO BE SUCCESSFUL" delusion

what a wally. altho re "commercial" it's done surprisingly well considering (#26 in the album chart, single one place lower). must be the indie.

And you are on some preschool point-missing levels of "WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THAT SOMETHING SOUNDS COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN ARTISTIC, HE IS NOT SAYING THAT A DIFFERENT SONG COULD FAIL MISERABLY IN THE CHARTS BECAUSE IT HAS ARTISTIC MERIT" xpost

Obviously I got carried away there and added a "NOT" in the middle. The above quote, then, is my own stance.

IMO, anything that can conscionably append the 'art-' prefix to its method has to actually attempt an original artistic creation.

This is easily the dumbest thing you have ever said.

Think what you're saying there Dan.

(Dumb from the standpoint is that you are criticizing this as if Santogold is marketing herself this way; she's not, you're reacting negatively to someone else's impression of her work and then blaming her for it.)

Hmm. IMO, anything that can conscionably append the 'art-' prefix to its method has to actually attempt an original artistic creation

you imply here that anything that aims to be commercially successful cannot be "art" or at least use the "art-" prefix

Well, I don't know what I'm trying to say. I disapprove of ANY use of "art-" as a musical prefix. But as a short-cut, I think it should only apply to things that attempt originality rather than facsimile.

I'm fucked off with this conversation now, and I'm fucked off with ILM.

Well good for you.

I'm in a fucking bad mood, I'd have never invaded this thread if I wasn't generally angry with more or less everything in my path. Sorry everyone.

When I mentioned "indie", what I meant is that I put artists like Santogold, or Justice, or Crystal Castles, or Hot Chip, or what have you, under the rough label of "indie disco" or "indie dance". Even when their music has nominally the same elements as "proper" (i.e. non-indie) dance music, there's something nervous and wiry and high-pitched and unfunky about them, and they often lack the life-affirming, bass-heavy, soulful and joyful qualities of dance music rooted in funk and disco and house. I think this is the reason indie and rock fans seem to like this sort of music and I often don't, even if it doesn't have any obvious "rock" elements like electric guitars.

LOOK OK FUCK GENRE TAGS

FUCK THEM

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/fast1727/CalvinHobbsCalmDown.jpg

Walking by myself down avenues that reek of time to kill

It seems like many of these indie dance acts need to have this edgy/brainy quality in their music to sell it to the intellectual type of indie fans, who might have diffculties dealing with the full-on mindless/physical abandon of proper dance music.

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hey lets have an argument about if something is indie or not

It seems like many of these indie dance acts need to have this edgy/brainy quality in their music to sell it to the intellectual type of indie fans, who might have diffculties dealing with the full-on mindless/physical abandon of proper dance music.

or maybe they just love both strains equally so naturally want to incorporate elements and influences of both into their sound, gaining and losing in the process. it doesn't mean shit that it's not as funky as James Brown or as housey as Todd Terry as a result.

i love how cleanly produced everything is

this is a potential nightmare (for me) but a bit of expansion on this might be interesting. what is meant by clean? is it just everything in it's place according to your understanding/preferences? it's quite easy to imagine Santogold in a 'lo fi' mode or with a 'messier' sound altho i'm not entirely sure what that would translate as now (more going on within each track/higher density + less space? more chaotic triggering? more abrasive noise/fx?)

or maybe they just love both strains equally so naturally want to incorporate elements and influences of both into their sound, gaining and losing in the process. it doesn't mean shit that it's not as funky as James Brown or as housey as Todd Terry as a result.

Well, it means they lose the interest of people like me, who don't much care for the "indie sound", but on the other hand win those people who don't much care for "proper" dance. I know several people for whom this is basically the only type of of dance music they'll listen to. Not that there's anything wrong with it, of course indie kids can have their own dance if they want to.

Well, it means they lose the interest of people like me, who don't much care for the "indie sound", but on the other hand win those people who don't much care for "proper" dance.

these 'disregard an entire genre/sound/whatever' people are weirdos so good riddance imho

You mean there aren't any genres you'd disregard as a whole? Like death metal? Or polka? Or MOR? Or gabba? I think people who like everything, and for whom there isn't any genre or sound they'd dislike are quite rare among us.

Anyway, I think one of the core audiences of "indie dance" is exactly the sort of people who'd disregard a genre/sound - in this case, "proper" dance - as a whole, and are only willing to accept in an indiefied form.

Like death metal? Or polka? Or MOR? Or gabba?

all of these are pretty dope tuomas stfu

i disregard rave music

i am struggling with death metal tho i must admit.

But like I said, there's nothing wrong with it as such. I'm equally intolerant in my wholesome disregard for indie as a genre and sound. You gotta have aesthetic preferences in the endless land of music.

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Like death metal? Or polka? Or MOR? Or gabba?

all of these are pretty dope tuomas stfu

I didn't mean their not dope, but lots of music fans dismiss them as whole genres, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

you (intentionally) picked very marginalised genres for your counter-argument anyway.

I don't think death metal is that much more marginalized than indie, at least not in Finland it is.

*crowd goes wild*

For fuck's sake.

hey lets have an argument about if something is indie or not

-- and what, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 18:15 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^we should have done this instead

I can see why this album is slightly difficult to place but yikes.

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Of course indie is more popular than death metal in Britain, its home country, but if you go to places like Germany or Spain, I'm sure you'll find more Slayer than Smiths fans there.

slayer aren't death metal, tard

Britain has a claim to being the home of death metal as well.

I stayed away from this record for a while because I thought it was like Sublime or something (her name reminds me of "Santeria"), but I picked it up and it's badass. I can see why you'd think it's indie; the first track sounds like Interpol, but the record is all over the place stylistically.[/ obvious]

-- Euler, Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

typically high-quality ILM musical analysis

Another highly influential band, Slayer, formed in 1981. Although the band is a thrash metal act, Slayer's music is more violent than thrash metal contemporaries Metallica, Megadeth or Exodus.[31] Slayer is regarded as one of the most sinister thrash metal bands from the early 1980s[32] and are considered the ancestors of and directly responsible for the rise of death metal.[33][34] Their breakneck speed and instrumental prowess combined with lyrics about death, violence, war and Satanism won Slayer a rabid cult following.[35] According to Allmusic, their third album, Reign in Blood, inspired the entire death metal genre[36] and had a big impact on the genre leaders: Death, Obituary and Morbid Angel.[31]

thank you tuomas

thank you n/a I aim to please

German Music Charts July 11, 2008

1 1 "All Summer Long" Kid Rock
2 2 "Helden 2008" Revolverheld
3 3 "Feel The Rush" Shaggy / Trix & Flix
4 5 "Seven Nation Army" White Stripes, The
5 4 "So Soll Es Bleiben" Ich + Ich
6 9 "Better In Time" Lewis, Leona
7 8 "Take A Bow" Rihanna
8 7 "Mercy" Duffy
9 6 "Bringt Ihn Heim" Pocher, Oliver
10 10 "Love Is You" Godoj, Thomas
11 - "We Made It" Rhymes, Busta Feat.linkin Park
12 11 "Fieber" Stuermer, Christina
13 13 "4 Minutes" Madonna
14 12 "Summer Love" Medlock, Mark
15 19 "No Air" Sparks, Jordin
16 36 "Can You Hear Me" Enrique Iglesias
17 15 "Wenn Nicht Jetzt Wann Dann" Hoehner
18 18 "Valerie" Ronson, Mark Feat. Winehouse
19 14 "Strike The Match" Monrose
20 20 "I'm Yours" Mraz, Jason

One White Stripes song. No Slayer. Indie it is.

Metal is an album genre.

I listening to the "L.E.S. Artistes" remixes and they're this weird mixture of badass and unfulfilling. It's probably not a good thing that my favorite track on the EP is the instrumental of the original track, right?

I like her record. "Creator" and maybe "Unstoppable" are the only songs that resemble MIA though. She's much more new-wave than whatever MIA is.

there's more pre-dancehall reggae in the mix, too

Ah. Well, apart from Bob Marley, I'm not familiar with reggae, so I wouldn't know.

I think I need to clean out my ears or maybe I have another record cause I hear very little MIA in her Santogold. Hmmmmm

lol she is opening act on coldplay tour