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oh well lol if youre asking us to explain some weirdness from the bible. but scales over eyes always sounded really gross to me.

@call all destroyer Really? My impression is that most people are so overwhelmingly cynical about politicised musicians - far more so than at any time in the past - that it's hard to believe anyone is taking MIA super-seriously on that level. More the case that they like the music and don't much give a shit if the politics are scrambled. I just don't know who Lex is talking about.

short answer is "college students" but really that only lasts for like 18 months

i dunno i think people (esp. younger people) still like the idea of listening to a "political" artist w/out really critically examining what said artist is saying vs. what they are doing etc. imo rage against the machine is a great example of this.

Leni was pretty incoherent.

mountain climbing, rats, shiny uniforms - it all comes together!

College students politics are pretty incoherent.

Diamanda really bringing the crazy in that letter to Timbaland.

You convert our Gold! into Mr. Fatbro's Fecal Dump, madcow. You the man, P.I.G., and so I got my SUPERNOVA UNCLEAN EYE on you. I got LOTSA time, a whole LIFE of extra time waiting for us to meet. So WATCH OUT. Unlike YOU, I come alone.
TA MATIA SOU? 666, mamafucker.

i'd like to hear her sing that

I'd like to hear Rodd Keith sing that!

HI DERE, ah, yeah. I thought you were referring to the AIDS & genocide stuff, which has been prevalent throughout her career. That thing she wrote makes very little sense - maybe senility is finally kicking in.

I wasn't going to read the letter, but that quote is making me think I should now.

favorite taco is al fresco style with roasted sweet potatoes and/or cassava with lettuce, radish, pickled carrots & a good salsa on a corn tortilla just fyi

have no idea what any of that Diamanda hoohah is about tbh

She loves commas.

It's really *strange* to me though, that letter. She generally makes a lot more sense and is always super eloquent and well spoken. Maybe she was just on drugs that day.

@call all destroyer Who cares if people like a political artist without going into the details? Who gets hurt? College students are meant to have incoherent but energetic ideas. It's how you learn - it's a place to start. But if you're smart then you'll dig in and learn a bit more and decide what to take from an artist's politics and what to leave. When I first heard Bring the Noise I looked up Louis Farrakhan and decided we weren't going to see eye to eye, but there was a lot more black history that I did engage with because of Public Enemy. Likewise the Clash and Sandinista for people a decade older than me. Likewise Rage, who oversimplified and had some weird sympathies (the Shining Path) but actually included a reading list in their second album. An exciting political artist can be a gateway to politics, not the endpoint.

yeah i mean i agree but i also have no problem w/these artists getting called out a la this admittedly flawed hirschberg piece.

I have a problem when the writer doesn't have the intellectual honesty to do the calling out correctly.

sure! i think i was just attempting to clarify lex's point about who the piece was "for"

i wasn't referring so much to a hypothetical group of people who believe m.i.a. to be serious'n'sophisticated &c, though i assume they exist, cuz i was referring to the media coverage (outside of these small music-writer circles) she receives which portrays her as such

This piece just annoys me because it's taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. If you subject any politicised public figure - musician, writer, director, actor - to this kind of bad-faith dismantling then they'll look bad at some point. The only defence is that it's an entertaining read. Lex's argument that it's enlightening the hoodwinked masses rings false to me.

Or even worse, the hoodwinked music press

send me your hoodwinked masses, yearning to eat truffle fries

I don't think Hirschberg wanted to set anything straight. Like a lot of successful, entertaining profilers - Lynn Barber being a British example - she knows she gets readers and juicy commissions by posing as someone who will take no bullshit and will tell The Truth about a celebrity, which is great when it rests on insight and tough questions, and a bit cheap when it relies on snarky asides and vindictive selective quoting. I will always read these writers, because mean can be fun, especially if you don't like the interviewee in the first place, but I don't think they have any greater agenda. They're the highbrow equivalent of gossip mags which print pictures of celebrities' cellulite under the defence "We're just trying to bring them down to the readers' level."

"incoherent political pop stars, they're just like us"

Pretty much, yeah. This school of journalism in a nutshell: "She think she all that but she ain't all that."

You know who really takes M.I.A. seriously? M.I.A.

Anyway, what really emphasized the piece as a takedown piece was M.I.A.'s stupid, incoherent reaction to being taken down. Sort of an ipso facto thing.

"highbrow equivalent of gossip mags"

Yup.

"Anyway, what really emphasized the piece as a takedown piece was M.I.A.'s stupid, incoherent reaction to being taken down."

I thought MIA's reaction was pretty coherent actually.

Posting the phone number was stupid.

Recording the interview and posting contrasting unedited footage is actually kind of brilliant and hilarious, if paranoid to the extreme (although you could argue it's not paranoia if someone is really out to get you; makes you think she read the Courtney Love piece before going on the interview)

Posting the phone # was childish, no doubt (but really funny as was Hirschberg's "John from Bard wants to hook up" response) but not really incoherent.

ha yeah, that response almost justified posting the number

I halfway wonder if they coordinated this sometimes

Phone number funny. Unedited footage fantastic. Diss song? Let's not mention the diss song.

oh haha, I forgot about the diss song

I'm thinking that maybe everyone should stop doing diss songs for a while

What was coherent about her posting some of the interview but not all of it? Did she record all of it? If not, why not? Did she only record those two bits? If so, why those? Did she record more but not post it? If not, why not? Could she possibly have more on tape that makes her look worse than the piece does? Who knows? That's what I mean by incoherent.

Interestingly, that was very a very incoherent explanation.

Huh, I thought I made sense, though I did set myself up for the zing. But were those the only two bits of the interview she took issue with, or the only two she had the means to refute?

yeah that was way more about me not being able to resist an easy joke than you not making sense, sorry

although it does seem to be kind of a weird thing to worry about

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"Why did she only mention those extracts? What else is on the tapes?"

"But were those the only two bits of the interview she took issue with, or the only two she had the means to refute?"

I think she figured posting an entire hour-ish long interview was less effective that just pointing out two instances where the writer was clearly playing fast and loose with the facts and letting people draw their own conclusions about Hirschberg's ethics/motives.

But turnabout is fair play, is it not? How is MIA furnishing those two bits of tape recorded over the span of a few days any more trustworthy than the piece? It takes two to play fast and loose in this case.

I mean, why did she think to record the interview at all? Or does she just record everything, all the time? Like Prince? It's just so weird all around.

I think you should do some investigative journalism on this burning issue

"How is MIA furnishing those two bits of tape recorded over the span of a few days any more trustworthy than the piece?"

It's not. But both of them undermine the trustworthiness of Hirschberg's piece which was the desired effect.

"I mean, why did she think to record the interview at all?"

You've never read Hirschberg before, have you?

It's not just about Hirschberg -- I think it's not really uncommon for publicists (if not quite stars themselves) to record interviews just in case. If you're misquoted, or even if a fact-checker gets in touch to confirm something, you're better off having your own copy!

As someone who's had a couple of paranoid interviewees bring recorders along, what amazes me is that Hirschberg, seeing MIA's recorder, thought she could get away with messing around with quotes. Unless MIA was wearing a wire, which would be brilliant on many levels.

From a purely selfish journalist's point of view, Hirschberg is like the abusive boyfriend who makes it hard for all future boyfriends.

[nabisco], publicists totally listen in on interviews all the time, but really, I think the number of interviews counter-recorded are pretty rare. It takes someone with a track record of paranoia. Again, like Prince. Or hey, maybe even MIA!

Which actually does really emphasize the (totally compelling, I know) mystery. Was the recorder hidden? Did MIA expect to be misquoted? Then why sit for the interview at all if she didn't trust the interviewer? Why not threaten the reporter by revealing the recorder at the start, since that would have preempted any tomfoolery? Just odd.

my understanding is that prince refuses to be recorded--remember that controversy from the nyer a year or two ago where the reporter quoted him condemning gay sex, and he said he didnt, and there was no record because he didnt want to be recorded