"She's an indoor kitty..."

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x-post You're on another planet, Ally. Dead bugs in the yard, Jesus what's the world coming to.

You don't 'watch' them - you let them find their own territory, depending on what other cats live close etc. And guess what, if a big dog moves next door, THEY DON'T GO IN THERE ANY MORE!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I have stolen someone else's outdoor/indoor cat, when I was little!

Ally! Shame on you.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

So, what we cat owners are *SUPPOSED* to do is let the cats out and just hope they don't get squashed by a car on the city streets. Is that correct O Grate 1?

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

(Ally, was it CUET?)

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the first kittens we ever got was eaten by a bobcat two days after we got him.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

See, there are exactly zero bobcats in my house.

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

**And again, I would like to know why you think the cat needs fresh air and exercise and tree climbing if it is
A) perfectly happy indoors
B) reticient to go outside

I mean who is anthromorphosizing the cat now? **

She wasn't perfectly happy indoors. She was lethargic and anxious, despite being 2 yrs old. It wasn't through boredom, as she there is usually someone at home for company. The vet could find nothing wrong. She seemed to want to go out, but would run in terrified after a few minutes. She would only go out if someone was in the garden, but clearly enjoyed running around, lying in the sun, exploring etc. I believe that it was the right thing to do to keep encouraging her out. Now she's happy to come and go all the time, looks in much better condition and is a different cat altogether.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

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**So, what we cat owners are *SUPPOSED* to do is let the cats out and just hope they don't get squashed by a car on the city streets. Is that correct O Grate 1? **

No, I didn't say that. My point is that if you live in a suitable place where the cat CAN go out, then it should go out. Ally's busy telling me that it's all wrong because of infringing on neighbours' privacy and leaving DEAD BUGS all over the place.

Personally I wouldn't keep a cat in a place where the traffic was so bad that it was in serious danger of being run over. Or where it couldn't go out for any reason.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr. C, your decisions about where to have cats are valid for you, but if you're trying to make anybody feel bad for having an indoor cat, go fuck yourself.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually I think it would be kind of awesome if our cats were regularly travelling the half mile distance to leave dead animals on my parents' neighbor's doorstep.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

You too M. White, with fucking knobs on. I'm simply saying what I would do. Each to his own.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr. C, your decisions about where to have cats are valid for you

Note that I stated that and that my 'fuck you' was conditional.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Noted!

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

You really shouldn't keep cats in. They're CATS! I think anthromorphosizing them with personality traits that mean that they have to be sheltered indoors is nuts.

Why on Earth would anyone think you were making blanket generalizations based on that? It's madness, I tell you.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

They are domesticated animals.

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I think we should calm down and discuss something less controversial, like eating meat.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

They are domesticated animals.
-- Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (emilysu...), October 4th, 2005.

much like... humans.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

indeed! i have no need for tree climbing innit

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

If I don't go outside I become lethargic and spend all day yowling at my wife.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I almost posted the same thing, N_RQ, but I'm not feeling that sanguine about Homo Sapiens today.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

My kitten thinks it's a dog (he plays fetch, will pick up a ball and drop it at your feet if he's bored) - should I take him for walks?

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

My indoor cats are so lame I have to go out and kill rodents myself. At least I know how to use floss.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

If I don't go outside I become lethargic and spend all day yowling at my wife.

When I'm really angry, I pee in the laundry basket.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

when we moved house it was a good nine months before the cat figured out where the front door even was, frankly.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I still stand by my thoughts on outdoor catness, but....I have been an arse here.

I would like to apologize to Ally and M.White for losing it, being rude and sarcastic and, as I say, generally being an arse. I'm sorry!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

http://static.flickr.com/33/49368159_83f9fa31e7.jpg?v=0

"i am not scared of bugs or foxes or vets with clippers"

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Apology accepted Dr. C. Sorry to have used extreme language myself. I sympathise generally with the idea that cats should have some place outside to go to, it's just that I don't have any safe place for mine to go and I still think they're better off at my house than they were at the pound.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

You're right. Stevie - your cat is indeed the king of mogs.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Personally, Dr C, I thought your thoughts on cats have been OTM throughout.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

so is there a UK/USA divide re: what cats are all about, maybe?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Possibly. Also city v not-city.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

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There are plenty of indoor kitty's in the uk, my friends had one when they lived in the stockbridge area of Edinburgh, now though they're living in the middle of the countryside and he's turned into a right little mouser, much to their annoyance. There certainly isn't much declawing in the UK, so I think Dr C is on the mark - indoor cats in built up areas only.

I'd like a cat, but we live in a first floor flat, and letting them in and out would be a pain in the butt. Plus my mum would never forgive me as she's got really bad asthma.

Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

We've always let our cats out, and I stress "let", we've got a little tray just in case they don't feel up to it, which hasn't been used in a very long time. Our cats will make a lot of noise and paw at the door if they want to go out, as we don't have a cat flap.

We live in a main road, which has never been a problem, but a few years ago one of our cats was run over (though the driver was actually nice enough to stop and give us a ride down to the vet). After this, we made sure only to let the cats out the back door, even if they were pawing at the front door, and it's not happened again (thank god). Of course he finds his way out the front pretty quickly, but I think it's made the whole area in front of the house seem a little more alien and unwelcoming so he'll be cautious when he gets out there. I've often seen him out and about when I've been over the park or walking down to town and he's the same old cat, he'll still recognize his owner and come up to me for a fuss.

He's pretty tough too - a couple of months ago I heard a racket out the back and saw him pwning a fox! He was batting it in the face with his claws and making the most godawful shrieking noise. Eventually the fox limped off silently, so Dr. C OTM re: foxes (and re: a lot of things).

melton mowbray (adr), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

we've only ever owned wilder cats that really wanted to be outside. if they were declawed, i can see the wisdom in keeping them in, but otherwise, i prefer to let it be the cat's choice.

with our cats it just seemed unnatural to keep them in. if they die or whatever, oh well! i mean, i care, but having a lethargic, overweight depressed cat vs. a happy, rascal cat is worth the risks.

if the cat's not into tho, that's cool.

now spaying and neutering.... that's a different deal and i probably sound hypocritical, but uh unless you live on a farm or want to deal with giving your kittens away, it just seems unwise. being a cat lady/dude is the fast track to health code violations and getting on the news for being a FREAK!
m.

msp (mspa), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, what a contentious thread I began...

andy --, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

it's just us shouting you down dood, don't sweat it.

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

For those of you with outdoor cats, do you use Advantage (flea stuff) on them? Wondering if it really works. Also, do you have them microchipped? I am thinking about getting my cat 'chipped in case there is some big earthquake or other equally horrifying event and she gets stuck outside, freaks and runs off.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I put some anti-flea stuff (just smelly, not insecticide) on my cat every month, and it seems to keep them off pretty well.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I think microchipping is valid for indoor cats as well as outdoor. Ours are both chipped. If they get out, get lost, and are picked up by animal control, I want them to have every chance of not being destroyed.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Forest, where are you in England?

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Lincolnshire. At the moment I live in a fairly suburban area, at least in the immediate vicinity. When I first got the cat, we lived on an inner-city estate.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

advantage worked well for us. haven't considered the whole chip thing.
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msp (mspa), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Given the weather in your part of the world, how bad is the flea problem, Forest?

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know how the weather makes much of a difference. It *was* bad before I started using the smelly stuff on him every month.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Indoor cats live longer because outdoor cats get more diseases and get into more accidents. Who cares about "anthropomorphizing" etc.

it was a different shark (wetmink2), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno, chipping cats seems like a test run for chipping kids.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Ya, Casuistry, I feel a little like that too. A little...no, a LOT big brotherish. And yet...maybe??? no. Chipping a kid's NOT a good idea. Wrong wrong wrong.


But tagged kids are SO much easier to find say if you leave them somewhere, like the supermarket.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://www.facebook.com/ilovecatz?v=feed&story_fbid=111773784896

I think they should punish those who declaw their cats by chopping off their fingertips up to the first knuckle. After all, that's pretty much what they're doing to their cats when they have them declawed.

it´s a crime and they should be punisched... it´s cruell!!!would you live without fingernaigels???

velko, Sunday, 6 September 2009 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link

nothing wrong with keeping a kitty indoors, but declawing is pretty cruel imo.

OTM Level III (latebloomer), Sunday, 6 September 2009 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link

fingernaigels

OTM Level III (latebloomer), Sunday, 6 September 2009 03:51 (fourteen years ago) link


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