That was one of the biggest mistakes in the history of umpiring.
Yoou mean compared to the WS titles awarded to the 1985 Royals and the 1996 Jeffrey M*ier Yankees?
Still, as Joe Sheehan has said of umpires, "Bring on the robots."
if it's anywhere near close, how is it not an automatic out call?
Oh, so we're playing Suck Halladay Off every time there's a chance in the 9th?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 June 2010 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
One of the != the
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Quote of the Day: "Nobody is perfect." --Armando Galarraga
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link
classic, still this sucks for him.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 3 June 2010 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i actually agree with morbs that it's bullshit to start handing pitchers calls when a game is on the line, but the call tonight was fucking horrible, seriously one of the worst calls i've ever seen considering the situation -- jeffery maier was bad, probably worse since it was the play offs, but jim joyce was 1 foot away!! and it didn't even look close on tv
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 June 2010 06:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i almost drove off I-40 somewhere in kentucky fielding texts trying to impart on me how bad this call was
on the plus side there will be ton of new sweet ass dave dombrowski lip purse frown .gifs coming out of this
― sanskrit, Thursday, 3 June 2010 11:37 (thirteen years ago) link
With his hands on his head.
Galarraga threw 19 balls last night.
Kevin Gregg threw 26 balls (in .2 IP) the other night.
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link
man this whole situation just makes me sad--consensus is that joyce is one of the good guys among umpires, he felt horrible, galarraga seemed like the most amazing, well-adjusted dude in the interview i saw. joyce apologized, they hugged it out, i mean there are no winners here except uh sportsmanship?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 3 June 2010 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Had Laird's brother and grandfather been in town, you know they would have been down for whatever.
Joyce is scheduled to be behind the plate this afternoon.
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
if this had happened to halladay at citizens park the ump would have been short at least two pints of blood before reaching the dugout
― sanskrit, Thursday, 3 June 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
http://wxyt.cbslocal.com/2010/06/03/jim-joyce-right-after-he-robbed-armando-galarraga-of-a-perfect-game/
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
jonmorosiJust spoke with #JimJoyce. He's still teary-eyed. No need for him to suffer like this. Selig must overturn this. No-brainer. #Tigers #MLB
Change the single to an E-3. *shrug*
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
its not perfect then though
― ciderpress, Thursday, 3 June 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
that wd make no sense.
Overturning would basically be making perfect games more important than WINS, WORLD SERIES, etc. It would open a Pandora's box. Which is why I half-expect Beelzebud to do it.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
It's probably the best happy medium. They shouldn't overturn the call.
xpost
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
man this Joyce dude is a class act tho
― get your bucket of free wings (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
By call I mean safe/out, not hit/error.
Neyer:
The only way overruling Joyce works is if there's a rule in the books that can reasonably be applied retroactively. You might not like it, but if Selig announces a rule next Monday afternoon and applies it retroactively to the 2nd of June, he'll at least have the weight of authority on his side.*
* Granted, even this would open up a huge tub of smelly earthworms. Wednesday night, a few hours after Jim Joyce took the stage, the Twins lost in the 10th inning to the Mariners on a play that might well have been overturned with the benefit of video review. And how many more game-changing plays might be reversed, with video review, between now and next Monday afternoon?
But an "interim" decision would set a terrible precedent, because this theoretical "interim" might last weeks or months or years. Does the commissioner really want to be in the position of overruling umpires every time an umpire blows a call that might have changed the result of a game? Or simply changed a player's statistics? (Because that's all that happened Wednesday night in Detroit: a player's statistics were very slightly affected.)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
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this guy sounds like he sweats when he eats
― sanskrit, Thursday, 3 June 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
he might be breathing that heavy because he's choked up. that and it sounds like they interviewed him in a diner.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 3 June 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i swear i wrote that before i got to the forks and knives rustling part. that made it even stranger.
― sanskrit, Thursday, 3 June 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Joyce was crying as he walked onto the field -- looked like a wreck. (It's OK -- he only has to call balls and strikes today.) Galarraga, owner of a new Corvette, handed him the lineup. Heard what sounded like mild booing.
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Bill Klem woulda kicked an ump's ass for crying
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 June 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
does anyone have rules/documentation of this "best interests of baseball" clause? same one Selig used to defraud the Expos owners during contraction?
― sanskrit, Thursday, 3 June 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
it is entirely amorphous
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 June 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
sort of like what constitutes "a swinging strike"
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 June 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Oden (Motown)
I've a theory--I think the controversy around last night's game will give Galarraga fame beyond that of say Dallas Braden. Many baseball fans can tell you Haddix had the 12 perfect innings, even if he didn't throw one of the twenty perfect games. Fewer could tell you Jim Bunning had one of the twenty. What do you think?
Klaw (1:07 PM)
Love this point. Wish I'd thought of it. 20 pitchers have thrown perfect games - how many can you name? How many from before you were born? I could have named Haddix - or Floyd Bevens, if you want to extend this - but when I tried the perfect games quiz on sporcle I got fewer than half of the ones from before I was born.
mike in MN (mn)
The fascinating thing to me is that people are more upset over a call that didn't effect the outcome of a game, than they are over the calls last post-season, or the call in the Twins' game last night. A perfect game or not, the outcome is what matters most, yet the stink over this is much larger than the stink over calls that effect who wins.
Klaw (1:08 PM)
Also very true. The Walk Like a Sabermetrician blog has an excellent post up on this very subject. "It was a perfect game!" is not a counterargument. More important calls are blown every October, yet there's more hue and cry over this than there was over Eric Gregg's NLCS-altering strike zone.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 June 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Fay Vincent on whether Selig should reverse call: "It would be very popular. But I think time and history would show it would be a mistake."
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Thursday, 3 June 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
first point is bullshit--wouldn't any pitcher rather have the perfect than be the guy who just missed? who cares "how you're remembered"
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 3 June 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
second point--it's an extreme situation because it was the last out. it's not really complicated why people are invested in this. "there are more calls blown...." isn't a counterargument either.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 3 June 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
My Facebook friends who have recently "liked" Armando Galarraga and A Million Bajillion Strong to Recognize Armando Galarraga's PERFECT Game and otherwise pay no attention to baseball would LOVE IT.
I'm going to start a group called Let's Build a Time Machine and Go Back to the Top of the Ninth Inning of Armando Galarraga's Near-Perfect Game and Make Jim Leyland Pull Renterian Range Guillen, Shift Santiago to 2B, and Place Everett at SS.
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude got a Corvette. ISSUE OVER.
http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20100603&Category=SPORTS02&ArtNo=100603028&Ref=AR&Profile=1321&MaxW=320&MaxH=300&Q=100&mime=jpeg
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Went up prior to copyediting, apparently.
Baseball comissioner Bud Selig said he would look at the game's umpiring system and the expanded use of instant replay, but would not reverse the blown call that cost Armando Galarraga of the Detroit Tigers a perfect game on Wednesday night."While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed," Selig said in a statement. "Given last night's call and other recent events, I will examine our umpiring system, the expanded use of instant replay and all other related features."Selig said he would consult with baseball's labor unions and the game's special committee for on-field matters before announcing any decisions.Selig also praised umpire Jim Jouce, whose blown call in the bottom of the ninth cost Galarraga the perfect game, as well as Galarraga and Tigers manager Jim Leyland for the way they handled the situation.
"While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed," Selig said in a statement. "Given last night's call and other recent events, I will examine our umpiring system, the expanded use of instant replay and all other related features."
Selig said he would consult with baseball's labor unions and the game's special committee for on-field matters before announcing any decisions.
Selig also praised umpire Jim Jouce, whose blown call in the bottom of the ninth cost Galarraga the perfect game, as well as Galarraga and Tigers manager Jim Leyland for the way they handled the situation.
― Andy K, Thursday, 3 June 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i just realized a decent dallas braden snub would be for girardi to pull in galarraga as a reserve for the all star game.wouldn't hurt the ratings either.
― sanskrit, Friday, 4 June 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
This has done more to humanize umpires than anything I can remember
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 June 2010 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link
A Toledo man who shares his name with a major league umpire received harassing phone calls after the ump made a botched call during a Detroit Tigers game.Fans who were upset about the call, which prevented a perfect game for Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga Wednesday night, heard the umpire was from Toledo, so they looked up Jim Joyce in the phone book.The Jim Joyce they found was the wrong one.Joyce told WTOL-TV the calls were pretty vulgar. He also says he had to cancel his home phone service to get the calls to stop.
Fans who were upset about the call, which prevented a perfect game for Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga Wednesday night, heard the umpire was from Toledo, so they looked up Jim Joyce in the phone book.
The Jim Joyce they found was the wrong one.
Joyce told WTOL-TV the calls were pretty vulgar. He also says he had to cancel his home phone service to get the calls to stop.
― Andy K, Friday, 4 June 2010 12:19 (thirteen years ago) link
no one should have a home phone these days, anyway
― johnny crunch, Friday, 4 June 2010 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no plans for anything but, til I DIE!
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
POSTS VERY MUCH IN CHARACTER
― johnny crunch, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
even my 67 yr old mother has switched over to just a cell!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 4 June 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
well, tell her not to call me :)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 June 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Hi Cole Hamels
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
was about to mention. only thu 5 thus far tho.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Hole Camels
"it's official!"
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
no-no and shutout all gone with one swing of the bat.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
C'MON COLE, KEEP MISSIN' THE CORNERS
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
:(
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link