A Thread For Starting Pitchers That Are Doing Really Well

This was a very hollow Indians lineup, too.

Three proverbial bags of dicks for Jim Joyce, though.

game time: 1:44

@JoeWestPR Jim Joyce is an embarrassment to baseball. Not because he blew a call but because he extended a game by doing so. That is just bad umpiring.

doesnt any blown call extend a game?

Surely the commish's office has the authority to overturn that bullshit and award the PG.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL in a parallel universe, it is so.

let's play ten

poor guy though

keep yr head up

That call was Jim's worst effort since Finnegan's Wake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi

this is on some jonathong williamsmong real time wikipedia editing:

Origin of the office

The unique title commissioner, which is a title now applied to the heads of several other major sports leagues as well as baseball, derives from its predecessor office, the National Commission. The National Commission was the ruling body of professional baseball starting with the National Agreement of 1903, which made peace between the National League and the American League (see History of baseball in the United States). It consisted of three members: the two League presidents and a Commission chairman, whose primary responsibilities were to preside at meetings and to mediate disputes. Following the Black Sox Scandal, team owners decided in 1920 to reform the National Commission with a membership of non-baseball men. However, their pick for chairman, former federal judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis, would only accept an appointment as sole commissioner. He also demanded unlimited authority over all aspects of organized baseball. The owners agreed, in order to combat the perception of the sport being controlled by gambling interests.

If Bud Selig cares about baseball even slightly, he will overturn that abomination of a call made at the end of the tigers/indians game on June 2 2010 and give Galarraga his perfect game. I dont care what the official rules are on overturning a call after the game is over, and i dont think the rest of baseball fans care either. It just absolutely has to be done. I have never seen a worse call in my life with so much at stake in a baseball game, and i think most people would agree. If it isnt changed i will lose all my respect for Bud Selig.

lol who let bill plaschke near a computer

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4278/hewasout.gif

cabrera signaling deeznuts

this is an atrocity, just seeing this now...wow

i mean, if it's anywhere near close, how is it not an automatic out call?

just heard about this right now, wow. we almost had three perfect games in one year, unbelievable.

That was one of the biggest mistakes in the history of umpiring.

Yoou mean compared to the WS titles awarded to the 1985 Royals and the 1996 Jeffrey M*ier Yankees?

Still, as Joe Sheehan has said of umpires, "Bring on the robots."

if it's anywhere near close, how is it not an automatic out call?

Oh, so we're playing Suck Halladay Off every time there's a chance in the 9th?

Yoou mean compared to the WS titles awarded to the 1985 Royals and the 1996 Jeffrey M*ier Yankees?

One of the != the

Quote of the Day: "Nobody is perfect." --Armando Galarraga

classic, still this sucks for him.

i actually agree with morbs that it's bullshit to start handing pitchers calls when a game is on the line, but the call tonight was fucking horrible, seriously one of the worst calls i've ever seen considering the situation -- jeffery maier was bad, probably worse since it was the play offs, but jim joyce was 1 foot away!! and it didn't even look close on tv

i almost drove off I-40 somewhere in kentucky fielding texts trying to impart on me how bad this call was

on the plus side there will be ton of new sweet ass dave dombrowski lip purse frown .gifs coming out of this

With his hands on his head.

Galarraga threw 19 balls last night.

Kevin Gregg threw 26 balls (in .2 IP) the other night.

man this whole situation just makes me sad--consensus is that joyce is one of the good guys among umpires, he felt horrible, galarraga seemed like the most amazing, well-adjusted dude in the interview i saw. joyce apologized, they hugged it out, i mean there are no winners here except uh sportsmanship?

Had Laird's brother and grandfather been in town, you know they would have been down for whatever.

Joyce is scheduled to be behind the plate this afternoon.

if this had happened to halladay at citizens park the ump would have been short at least two pints of blood before reaching the dugout

http://wxyt.cbslocal.com/2010/06/03/jim-joyce-right-after-he-robbed-armando-galarraga-of-a-perfect-game/

jonmorosi
Just spoke with #JimJoyce. He's still teary-eyed. No need for him to suffer like this. Selig must overturn this. No-brainer. #Tigers #MLB

Change the single to an E-3. *shrug*

its not perfect then though

that wd make no sense.

Overturning would basically be making perfect games more important than WINS, WORLD SERIES, etc. It would open a Pandora's box. Which is why I half-expect Beelzebud to do it.

It's probably the best happy medium. They shouldn't overturn the call.

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man this Joyce dude is a class act tho

By call I mean safe/out, not hit/error.

Neyer:

The only way overruling Joyce works is if there's a rule in the books that can reasonably be applied retroactively. You might not like it, but if Selig announces a rule next Monday afternoon and applies it retroactively to the 2nd of June, he'll at least have the weight of authority on his side.*

* Granted, even this would open up a huge tub of smelly earthworms. Wednesday night, a few hours after Jim Joyce took the stage, the Twins lost in the 10th inning to the Mariners on a play that might well have been overturned with the benefit of video review. And how many more game-changing plays might be reversed, with video review, between now and next Monday afternoon?

But an "interim" decision would set a terrible precedent, because this theoretical "interim" might last weeks or months or years. Does the commissioner really want to be in the position of overruling umpires every time an umpire blows a call that might have changed the result of a game? Or simply changed a player's statistics? (Because that's all that happened Wednesday night in Detroit: a player's statistics were very slightly affected.)

http://wxyt.cbslocal.com/2010/06/03/jim-joyce-right-after-he-robbed-armando-galarraga-of-a-perfect-game/

― Andy K, Thursday, June 3, 2010 11:21 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

this guy sounds like he sweats when he eats

he might be breathing that heavy because he's choked up. that and it sounds like they interviewed him in a diner.

i swear i wrote that before i got to the forks and knives rustling part. that made it even stranger.

Joyce was crying as he walked onto the field -- looked like a wreck. (It's OK -- he only has to call balls and strikes today.) Galarraga, owner of a new Corvette, handed him the lineup. Heard what sounded like mild booing.

Bill Klem woulda kicked an ump's ass for crying

does anyone have rules/documentation of this "best interests of baseball" clause? same one Selig used to defraud the Expos owners during contraction?

it is entirely amorphous

sort of like what constitutes "a swinging strike"

Oden (Motown)

I've a theory--I think the controversy around last night's game will give Galarraga fame beyond that of say Dallas Braden. Many baseball fans can tell you Haddix had the 12 perfect innings, even if he didn't throw one of the twenty perfect games. Fewer could tell you Jim Bunning had one of the twenty. What do you think?

Klaw (1:07 PM)

Love this point. Wish I'd thought of it. 20 pitchers have thrown perfect games - how many can you name? How many from before you were born? I could have named Haddix - or Floyd Bevens, if you want to extend this - but when I tried the perfect games quiz on sporcle I got fewer than half of the ones from before I was born.

mike in MN (mn)

The fascinating thing to me is that people are more upset over a call that didn't effect the outcome of a game, than they are over the calls last post-season, or the call in the Twins' game last night. A perfect game or not, the outcome is what matters most, yet the stink over this is much larger than the stink over calls that effect who wins.

Klaw (1:08 PM)

Also very true. The Walk Like a Sabermetrician blog has an excellent post up on this very subject. "It was a perfect game!" is not a counterargument. More important calls are blown every October, yet there's more hue and cry over this than there was over Eric Gregg's NLCS-altering strike zone.

Fay Vincent on whether Selig should reverse call: "It would be very popular. But I think time and history would show it would be a mistake."

first point is bullshit--wouldn't any pitcher rather have the perfect than be the guy who just missed? who cares "how you're remembered"

second point--it's an extreme situation because it was the last out. it's not really complicated why people are invested in this. "there are more calls blown...." isn't a counterargument either.

My Facebook friends who have recently "liked" Armando Galarraga and A Million Bajillion Strong to Recognize Armando Galarraga's PERFECT Game and otherwise pay no attention to baseball would LOVE IT.

I'm going to start a group called Let's Build a Time Machine and Go Back to the Top of the Ninth Inning of Armando Galarraga's Near-Perfect Game and Make Jim Leyland Pull Renterian Range Guillen, Shift Santiago to 2B, and Place Everett at SS.

Dude got a Corvette. ISSUE OVER.