i tend to like snipey bitchy girls more than i like strident contrarian girls so
― max, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
man, if my bread basket habits were documented you guys would be aghast.
― Brio, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
lots of scratching?
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
it would be a lot less fun to poke holes in her image if she didnt come across as such an unpleasant person
― max, Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:28 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is very obv otm
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
basically this piece is not for us, it's more like a heads-up for anyone who wasn't just enjoying her music but also taking her seriously.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
somehow I doubt that anyone who takes M.I.A. seriously is going to be dissuaded from doing so by the New York Times
― Image: electrostimulation applied on a penis (HI DERE), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
who are these people that take MIA "seriously" and what does it mean to do so
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean I guess I do but that doesn't mean I take her political sloganeering at face value
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i could see this piece subconsciously affecting our lesser critics to not try so hard to find MIA to be a genius, esp if the new album is difficult/crap. none of it is really news, but the rising sentiment of MIA ISN'T ALL THAT is being dignified by the grey lady here.
― da croupier, Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
ILM most certainly takes MIA seriously -- much more so than the fans, say, who've picked up on "Paper Planes" on the radio, or found out about her from that Slumdog song, or her Grammy performance.
Whereas, on ILM we trade off discussions in a 1,000+ post thread about MIA.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm mia
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
hope all that truffle oil is consolation for ur artistic bankruptcy
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
galang galang
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, I am just catching up with this thread and responding to stuff from three weeks ago, but whatever: The first time I heard "Paper Planes" back in '07, I immediately noticed the "Rump Shaker" reference. It's pretty obvious! Never heard "Straight to Hell" before, so I didn't realize there was a Clash sample until months later.
― jaymc, Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
(.)(.)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw Hirschberg's Courtney piece really holds up (and I say that as an acknowledged Courtney stan)
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think I ever read that... was that the one where she was smoking while pregnant or something
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Though if you guys like "Straight to Hell" interpolations, here ya go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9hXexd6A-Q
(Comes in at 2:10.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost smoking and snorting and all sorts of whatnot. but going back now it's a really sort of extraordinary snapshot and eerily predictive -- not just of Krut's martyrdom, which was inevitable, but of, like, Courtney's Twitter account and Celebrity Skin.
Court's rap on the Minneapolis scene circa 1987 is lulz: "I just couldn't take it anywhere else [than LA]," she explains. "Minneapolis was so fucking un-pretentious. Everyone has a flannel collection and is in a band named after a welding instrument."
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^Court skipped Mpls because she promoted a fake Butthole Surfers concert and left town with all the cash the day before it was supposed to happen.
I'm wondering if Maya recorded the conversation she had with Lynn Hirschberg (something an interview subject will do to be all like 'you better not misquote' sometimes). But Hirschberg missed the opportunity to point out that Maya's lived off the largesse of rich hipsters for YEARS, which every third person in London could tell you.
― when the fertilizer hits the ventilator (suzy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck gold, she's a platinum digger
― Moodles, Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Who else has Hirschberg eaten fries with?http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/who_else_has_lynn_hirschberg_t.html
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lololol
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxpost suzy afaik that's one story.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Meaning? Am sure there are many, many more - and my sources for this particular story are unimpeachable BTW.
― when the fertilizer hits the ventilator (suzy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey otm throughout thread. i'm halfway through the hirschberg piece and, whatever nyt smugness she drips aside, "her child-of-Godard mix of politics, paranoia and pop" is a pretty good argument for why mia is at least as interesting as any other pop star out there now. blaming her in any way for the general low level of understanding of things like the sri lanka conflict is a bit naive, isn't it? and she has openly set the record straight on her father for a while now, iirc.
has gaga responded to any of these jabs? would love to see the beef escalate.
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
suzy <3 you forever but your sources are for one story and your experience however varied is still only one person's experience ok
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I know it's good for lolz to discuss her life but I still don't know what makes her any more a liar and scamp than any other ambitious rock artiste.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
the olive bread.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
dude, stop: I haven't had dinner.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Disagree. I hope Gaga has more class than that.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
does she take her fries with truffle oil then?
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
my god i really want to try that now
― plax (ico), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lol more like Gaga's probably smart enough to know that not responding will make her look like the bigger star/better person and increase her cachet
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
your move, gaga. your move.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Gaga won't bite, she's had MONTHS and hasn't responded to Grace Jones beef, so...
JD, not my experience as such - I was away at college when it happened - but anyone who'd fuck over Lori B is a creep for realz.
― when the fertilizer hits the ventilator (suzy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
move gaga move
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
assuming gagalang jokes have been made already
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i would think that the fact that she actually sells some records would be the thing that makes gaga the bigger star but what do i know
― CUSE EX MACHINA (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @CourtneyLoveUK is now all "got ur back sister" on the Twitters
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
how mean is the actual nyt piece?
― django weingart (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i was trying to make some kinda jethro tull gagalung joke then i was all wtf am i doing w.my life
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
it's really kind of subtly mean - Joan Didion would have written the definitive dismissal around the same issues I think but this one isn't so confident
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
she just kinda sits back and waits for maya to contradict herself. it is mean, no doubt.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Didion is subtler about balancing disdain and admiration.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if this NYT piece is quite in control of its effects.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
to the extent that we can even conceive of an ink-stained wretch as "mean" to a billionaire-by-marriage international pop star, i suppose the piece has done its job
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
MIA would never call a 13 year old on the ellen show and tell him to follow his dreams... mores the pity...
she has all this press to actually get across a legimate pov of tamil and just come up looking like hipster lolzzz and i have met 20 something girls with fringes who consider her their RATM.
+ that pic up there of the fries etc is how her new tracks makes me feel.
― kumar the bavarian, Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost like, "meanness" requires a certain power imbalance to be perceived as such
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
she has all this press to actually get across a legimate pov of tamil
is this her obligation? Serious question. I guess we're entering much-trod terrain here: how coherently do we expect artists to discuss politics when most of them just exploit?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link